Is this how your 'church'......

[Yet]

So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? A true gathering of believers according to the inspired word of God? Why would God go to all the trouble to express to us His desire for an organic living body with every part functional in an open meeting/gathering/fellowship/assembly, if it was not of paramount importance?
A body for the Son to express Himself through and to minister through each part, edifying one another to the building up of the whole to the fullness of the stature of Christ? If you don't think this is not important, for the local body refuses this structure, then tell us why it is not important! When were these truths deleted?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Didn't mean to be a tongue thread. Read the whole deal. Different functions are to be manifest, not just tongues. Oh and I'm sorry that I use scripture for a wrong premise as someone accused me of. Hold it. Wait a minute. Since when is using sound scripture is pushing a false premise? Gee I better not say folks need to get saved...might be a false premise.

There are only two ordinances imperative in the believing church: The Lord's Supper, or Communiion if you will, and Believer's Baptism, the former being a remembrance of Christ's sacrifice, the second being an outward expression of gratitude for what Christ has done inwardly.

Beyond those two, the methodology of worship is different in every church. But if a sound message based on the Gospel or on other biblical principles is preached, if there is true, heartfelt glory being given to God, if those present who believe are moved to deepen their relationship with Christ and their hunger for His word, and if those present who do not believe are moved to seek Him, the Spirit of God has moved as He has promised. Nothing else is necessary.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? A true gathering of believers according to the inspired word of God? Why would God go to all the trouble to express to us His desire for an organic living body with every part functional in an open meeting/gathering/fellowship/assembly, if it was not of paramount importance?
A body for the Son to express Himself through and to minister through each part, edifying one another to the building up of the whole to the fullness of the stature of Christ? If you don't think this is not important, for the local body refuses this structure, then tell us why it is not important! When were these truths deleted?

That you're aware of such truths is evidence that they never were deleted. Maintain your own walk with Christ and pray for others. Oh, certainly seek to persuade people with such truths, even as you've sought to do here, but know that there will always be those who refuse to see the truth for whatever reason (s). For whatever it's worth, I agree with you. In fact, I just posted something very similar to this on another thread this morning:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110310-how-do-you-guys-do-6.html#post1968904

 

[Jon4TheCross]

So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? A true gathering of believers according to the inspired word of God? Why would God go to all the trouble to express to us His desire for an organic living body with every part functional in an open meeting/gathering/fellowship/assembly, if it was not of paramount importance?
A body for the Son to express Himself through and to minister through each part, edifying one another to the building up of the whole to the fullness of the stature of Christ? If you don't think this is not important, for the local body refuses this structure, then tell us why it is not important! When were these truths deleted?

Sadly...money, what money provides (false security for one), and how many run after it spending the vast majority of their life working for it...is surely something that almost every woman I have ever talked to and observed is willing to trust in more than God (the woman is the weaker vessel). Man on the other hand is being motivated by the fact that most women will trust God for their security only if it is the last resort. They would rather trust the man...who would rather trust a gun...money...or some other plan that cripples and poisons the branch they are. So...man obeys the woman in general...not God.
For instance...try to find a woman who speaks according to the spirit among church goers (or even a man nowadays). They will usually speak of such things as their children...their house...their family...their cars...their plans...their own...mine...ours...and so on. Most men submit to the weaker vessel...instead of standing up for Jesus and letting the woman leave if she wants to.

Romans 8:4-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4*that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5*For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6*For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

So...it is no surprise that so many like to ignore the practice of the following example...which is not in the bible just for no reason...

Acts 4:31-33Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

31*And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

32*And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33*And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

As far as I know...the catholic church started the practice of tithe after most of the all things common practicers were killed.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Not saying tithe is no more applicable to the world...but a christian ought not to tithe to another christian...it is confusion.

 

[84Niner]

So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? A true gathering of believers according to the inspired word of God? Why would God go to all the trouble to express to us His desire for an organic living body with every part functional in an open meeting/gathering/fellowship/assembly, if it was not of paramount importance?
A body for the Son to express Himself through and to minister through each part, edifying one another to the building up of the whole to the fullness of the stature of Christ? If you don't think this is not important, for the local body refuses this structure, then tell us why it is not important! When were these truths deleted?

Ephesians 4:13-16 KJV 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[MarcR]

In the church I attend, while the pastor does bring a prepared message, questions, comments and insights from the congergation are not regarded as interruptions.

 

[Yet]

There are only two ordinances imperative in the believing church: The Lord's Supper, or Communiion if you will, and Believer's Baptism, the former being a remembrance of Christ's sacrifice, the second being an outward expression of gratitude for what Christ has done inwardly.

Beyond those two, the methodology of worship is different in every church. But if a sound message based on the Gospel or on other biblical principles is preached, if there is true, heartfelt glory being given to God, if those present who believe are moved to deepen their relationship with Christ and their hunger for His word, and if those present who do not believe are moved to seek Him, the Spirit of God has moved as He has promised. Nothing else is necessary.

I agree that God can bless in any given format but that does not mean that He endorses that format. If He can so bless when we are 'out' of order, how much more would He bless if we were 'in' order? I'm just saying!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I speak in tongue, I speak in my english tongue

I have the gift of interpretation too cause I can understand every word I speak.

sure everyone in your church does also. so again, no interpretation needed.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I agree that God can bless in any given format but that does not mean that He endorses that format. If He can so bless when we are 'out' of order, how much more would He bless if we were 'in' order? I'm just saying!

I understand, and respect your views here. But I don't believe tongues is "in order" in the modern church. I could be wrong, but the fact is, rarely if ever is "tongues" practiced as Paul outlined in his first surviving letter to the church at Cornith. If it is going to be practiced, it should at least be practiced biblically, would you agree?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? A true gathering of believers according to the inspired word of God? Why would God go to all the trouble to express to us His desire for an organic living body with every part functional in an open meeting/gathering/fellowship/assembly, if it was not of paramount importance?
A body for the Son to express Himself through and to minister through each part, edifying one another to the building up of the whole to the fullness of the stature of Christ? If you don't think this is not important, for the local body refuses this structure, then tell us why it is not important! When were these truths deleted?

the church is a body, not a weekly gathering.

As someone said earlier, those things should happen all week, if and when needed.

Not every church will have a bunch of tongue speeking. if everyone speaks the same language, it is not needed.

If your church is only meeting on sunday, thats your first problem.

 

[john832]

I understand, and respect your views here. But I don't believe tongues is "in order" in the modern church. I could be wrong, but the fact is, rarely if ever is "tongues" practiced as Paul outlined in his first surviving letter to the church at Cornith. If it is going to be practiced, it should at least be practiced biblically, would you agree?

The tongues they spoke in were actually languages they were not schooled in. It was a gift, not something learned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In the church I attend, while the pastor does bring a prepared message, questions, comments and insights from the congergation are not regarded as interruptions.

thats not the same as someone starting to wail in unknown babble, and interupting the word the pastor is trying to teach..

My church does the same as yours it seems.

 

[Yet]

Thank you 84! 'Every joint supplieth'! That's what I'm talking about. So far for about 1700 years now the 'every joint' has been ripped off, cheated, and assigned to solitary confinement with their cabooses glued to a pew while one man and a team do all the ministering.
To bad that the 'every joint supplieth' is now translated into ' every joint supplieth the tithes and offerings' so one man can quit his job and 'lord it over His heritage' with impunity!

 

[Yet]

I understand, and respect your views here. But I don't believe tongues is "in order" in the modern church. I could be wrong, but the fact is, rarely if ever is "tongues" practiced as Paul outlined in his first surviving letter to the church at Cornith. If it is going to be practiced, it should at least be practiced biblically, would you agree?

please quit narrowing this down to the tongue issue. Go read 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12. There are many functions.
Biblically practiced? What have I been saying?

 

[john832]

Thank you 84! 'Every joint supplieth'! That's what I'm talking about. So far for about 1700 years now the 'every joint' has been ripped off, cheated, and assigned to solitary confinement with their cabooses glued to a pew while one man and a team do all the ministering.
To bad that the 'every joint supplieth' is now translated into ' every joint supplieth the tithes and offerings' so one man can quit his job and 'lord it over His heritage' with impunity!

Not sure where you have been but I have not been treated that way.

 

[DesiredHaven]

sure everyone in your church does also. so again, no interpretation needed.

Yeah, I was actually holding out for phophesying because Paul says,

1 Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:
for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues,
(((( except he interpret ))) that the church may receive edifying.

Sometime bad english (like my own) needs interpretation
(or is that spell check?)

Probably the later.

 

[Yet]

the church is a body, not a weekly gathering.

As someone said earlier, those things should happen all week, if and when needed.

Not every church will have a bunch of tongue speeking. if everyone speaks the same language, it is not needed.

If your church is only meeting on sunday, thats your first problem.

Again I'm not high lighting tongues. Please everybody, STOP with the tongues already. There are different spiritual functions whereby the Holy Spirit longs to operate with through individuals, all the members, not just through Pastor Wonderful which the clerical position is not biblical.
The Sunday deal is nonsense. Meet with others any day anywhere. Where 2 or 3 are gathered......how simple He made it, how gummed up we fixed it!!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Again I'm not high lighting tongues. Please everybody, STOP with the tongues already. There are different spiritual functions whereby the Holy Spirit longs to operate with through individuals, all the members, not just through Pastor Wonderful which the clerical position is not biblical.
The Sunday deal is nonsense. Meet with others any day anywhere. Where 2 or 3 are gathered......how simple He made it, how gummed up we fixed it!!

All we have to do, Yet, is look at Paul's letter to the church at Corinth to see what you're suggesting -- at least, what it seems your suggesting -- is not orderly, in his opinion.

We've mentioned tongues a lot, I know, but the same goes for prophesying, giving a "word of knowledge" or "of faith," as well as any choice of "signs and wonders" you'd care to name. These things aren't necessary in light of the full revelation of God through the Word, which is His Son, and the Holy-Spirit-inspired words of the writers of the Bible.

 

[Yet]

Not sure where you have been but I have not been treated that way.

im glad to hear that your fellowship is lined up,with the word of God. No paid false clergy. Elders that watch over the sheep, teach and admonish, bringing the newbees to maturity then getting their cabooses out of the way so God can operate through His children the gifts and functions He's given unto them according to 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12,and Ephesians 4, everything decently and in order. Glad your part of Gods true plan for the assembly bro..now help explain this deal to the others.