Satan has long been after stopping tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance and has succeeded in many churches. When Paul speaks about praying in the Spirit. he is talking about tongues. Paul says that I will pray in the Spirit and I will pray with my understanding. It is called the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues
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K
There is no difference as the scriptures they had back then before the bible was put together is the same as we have now. They did not sit back and wait tell every letter they needed was written and then put the bible together, as though writings existed for years before the bible was put together and completed.
There is absolutely nothing in the Word of God to suggest the bible canon we have is what is spoken of as that which is perfect/complete comes. The only time perfectness or completeness comes according to the bible is when the final prophecies are fulfilled of the New Heaven and New Earth comes with the New Jerusalem here. Then and only then will things be perfect without death, sin, hatred, evil, and all prophecies fulfilled...........
Paul physical thorn was a messenger from Satan to keep him from getting a big head.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
it was not an illness, it was most likely his physical appearance.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
it was not an illness, it was most likely his physical appearance.
K
At first they did have only the OT scriptures when the first original Apostles were sent out to spread the gospel, but those original Apostles wrote the letters/epistles/gospels that we have today as our bible. So they had to of wrote them and personally gave those words before the actual bible was put together.
They lived the NT scriptures, and Paul's epistles were written directly to the believers he mentioned in them. Therefore those epistles existed before the bible was put together. So my stance still holds true that all the scriptures existed before they were put together as the Old and New Testaments that we have today.
They were part of a number of writings the council went over and decided on what to have in the bible and what not to have. We accept them now as they are because Holy Spirit lead men put them together to form the bible we now have.
Very Good and that council was the Catholic Church or the Roman State Church as revelations was not written until about 80 A.D or some where in there and there many documents that were thrown out because they could not be authenticated or the Holy Spirit didn't want them in the bible . But what has this to do with speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.
K
Because I was responding to the debate where some believe that that which is perfect/complete comes in 1 Corinthians 13:10 is the bible canon we have now. There is absolutely nothing in that scripture, nor anywhere in the bible to suggest this as the whole context of that chapter is love.
Is complete total love in this world now, or is evil, hatred, murder, persecution, and so on still very much apart of this world. That time when perfect love comes into the world and all is fulfilled is when the New Jerusalem comes down on the New Earth after it and the New Heaven is formed.
K
No problem as I was just asking....
Yes God's word is perfect but it is not what was being referred to by 1 Corinthians 13:10, else those who claim tongues have ceased would be correct by that. But they have not ceased yet, nor are the demonic. They are widely misused in the church today, but true tongues do still exist so does prophecy. No gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased yet as there are still many things to come to pass, and the Holy Spirit promised the gifts to those then and for those of times to come. We are still in those times to come until the Lord comes back to finally fulfill all things.
Yes God's word is perfect but it is not what was being referred to by 1 Corinthians 13:10, else those who claim tongues have ceased would be correct by that. But they have not ceased yet, nor are the demonic. They are widely misused in the church today, but true tongues do still exist so does prophecy. No gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased yet as there are still many things to come to pass, and the Holy Spirit promised the gifts to those then and for those of times to come. We are still in those times to come until the Lord comes back to finally fulfill all things.
Jesus is perfect and He come to the earth than teach a perfect teaching to his follower include the apostles.
After the perfect coming and teaching, still the gift of speak in tongue happen.
When we perfect/in heaven than the gift of healing, stop, because we don't need it anymore.
Speak in tongue also mean speak the language that we don't know.
When we perfect in heaven we know every language, then the gift of tongue stop.
It doesn't mean there isn't counterfeit
Money is real and valuables, and because it value, some people fudge it. why fudge worthless thingy.
The gift of the Lord is valuables, that why devil fudge it.
After the perfect coming and teaching, still the gift of speak in tongue happen.
When we perfect/in heaven than the gift of healing, stop, because we don't need it anymore.
Speak in tongue also mean speak the language that we don't know.
When we perfect in heaven we know every language, then the gift of tongue stop.
It doesn't mean there isn't counterfeit
Money is real and valuables, and because it value, some people fudge it. why fudge worthless thingy.
The gift of the Lord is valuables, that why devil fudge it.
Everything about the manifestation of the Spirit was written in 1 Corinthians, what they are for, if they are not done in love, and how to use them in the church - this the Corinthians knew and I don't think anything new was added when put into the bible as a whole - so they knew what we know.
I still haven't put away childish things in my physical life - I still play games, I still ride my bike, and probably will until I am too old [LOL] and physically can't or until I die [end - telos where we get the word perfect from].
And I am far from being fully mature in my total understanding of the word of God - still learning every day.
Thanks DC - I just wanted to see the understanding behind how scripture is that which is perfect is come.
I still haven't put away childish things in my physical life - I still play games, I still ride my bike, and probably will until I am too old [LOL] and physically can't or until I die [end - telos where we get the word perfect from].
And I am far from being fully mature in my total understanding of the word of God - still learning every day. Thanks DC - I just wanted to see the understanding behind how scripture is that which is perfect is come.
Ok Rog, go back to the beginning. When Adam fell and took creation with him, God promised to send a redeemer to set things back to the way they were before the fall. In other words, God promised Adam that one day the world would be restored to it's perfect garden state.
God didn't promise us a perfect book, He promised us His perfect garden restored.
Do we live in that garden presently? No. So has His garden been restored to perfection? No. When will that happen? When Christ returns.
You go ahead and cling to the book as the perfect end all be all. I'll stick with clinging to the faith that God, thru Jesus, will redeem this fallen world and once again make it perfect. As He promised.
God didn't promise us a perfect book, He promised us His perfect garden restored.
Do we live in that garden presently? No. So has His garden been restored to perfection? No. When will that happen? When Christ returns.
You go ahead and cling to the book as the perfect end all be all. I'll stick with clinging to the faith that God, thru Jesus, will redeem this fallen world and once again make it perfect. As He promised.
R
1 Corinthians 14:2
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:19
Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1 Corinthians 14:13
Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:19
Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1 Corinthians 14:13
Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.