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Are we not attempting to discern the spirits right now? It is through the word of God that the truth is made manifest. As I recall the Bereans were more noble because they checked what was said against what was written. That is the ministry of the Holy Spirit. As I read John 14 Jesus promises the Holy Spirit to teach us all things and to bring to remembrance all things so yes we do see face to face through the Holy Spirit.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is just one thing that I would like to ask . . . Paul's epistles to the Corinthian church were letters . . . not in print by a print setter but they were letters written by Paul's own hand . . . so Paul was telling them that when his letters were written in "type" and set in a book - becoming "perfect" - then they would do away with the manifestation of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge?
Just trying to get a hand on the understanding that "perfect" is scripture when they had the original letters . . .
Just trying to get a hand on the understanding that "perfect" is scripture when they had the original letters . . .
We have translated the word perfect but the meaning of the word perfect has evolved over the centuries. Perfect in this case means complete not perfect as in ideal as we might see it today.
When Paul wrote Corinthians the complete revelation of the NT had not yet been accomplished.
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Roger
When Paul wrote Corinthians the complete revelation of the NT had not yet been accomplished.
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Roger
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I believe speaking in tounges is a spiritual gift given from God, as well as other gifts. Not every person recieves the same spiritual gifts. Some may have the power of healing, some prophetic words, some interpretation of dreams and toungues. God chooses which gifts each person recieves. I believe speaking in tounges is very powerful when using in prayer. Not all tounges are meant to be interpreted to people, most of the time it is for God to hear only through prayer to him. I speak in tounges to my father and do not think its a joke. Our church believes in the fire of the holy spirit and speaking in tounges. The spirit is not going to make you speak in tounges it does not force you. It is your choice when you feel the spirit to choose to utter the words that you feel come to your mind. You may not understand them but God knows all, and all that matters is that you have chosen him to speak his sacred language to. It does not make you a bad person when you do not speak in tounges. But I believe prayer is much more powerful when using it.
What then makes your belief special and noteworthy? No one has said that not speaking in tongues makes one bad. Scripture has said tongues will cease. There is no injunctions in scripture to pray in tongues. Jesus never prayed in tongues.
I believe your belief is contradictory of scripture.
The fields are indeed white unto harvest but the laborers are few. Labor while it is yet day.
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Roger
I believe your belief is contradictory of scripture.
The fields are indeed white unto harvest but the laborers are few. Labor while it is yet day.
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Roger
What are you talking about? Christ did not promise us a perfect world. Christ promised us tribulation in the world for His names sake.
Jesus said from the cross that "it is finished". His work is finished salvation is wrought the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe and receive the word of God.
Joel's prophecy says that at the coming of the Lord we will see a revival of the gifts of tongues and prophecy in Israel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus said from the cross that "it is finished". His work is finished salvation is wrought the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe and receive the word of God.
Joel's prophecy says that at the coming of the Lord we will see a revival of the gifts of tongues and prophecy in Israel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am not asking about total "printed word of God" we have today - I am talking about 1 Corinthians written to the Corinthian church and to the faithful in Christ. Aren't these epistles we read in our printed copies the same letters hand written by Paul to the Corinthian church? What makes them printed in my bible any more "perfect (complete) than when the Corinthian church were originally given them?
This is a serious question for I am trying to figure out and determine the differences in the meaning of perfect here. I know what I believe it is - I know what you believe it is - I'm just wondering what makes our printed text of 1 Corinthians more "perfect" (complete) than the original letters?
This is a serious question for I am trying to figure out and determine the differences in the meaning of perfect here. I know what I believe it is - I know what you believe it is - I'm just wondering what makes our printed text of 1 Corinthians more "perfect" (complete) than the original letters?
Pure fantasy. We suffer and we get sick and we die because of sin. This will be the case until Christ is on the earth and ruling from Jerusalem.
Tongues are widely seen in paganism and in demon possession through exorcism.
Paul was told his physical impairment was for Gods glory and healing was not forthcoming. You apparently have no knowledge of the suffering ministry that many share.
I could go on but I believe you are emotionally tied to the doctrinal error of modern tongues.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Tongues are widely seen in paganism and in demon possession through exorcism.
Paul was told his physical impairment was for Gods glory and healing was not forthcoming. You apparently have no knowledge of the suffering ministry that many share.
I could go on but I believe you are emotionally tied to the doctrinal error of modern tongues.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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It says that the holy spirit filled the apostles and they spoke in other tounges. Just as they have the holy spirit we also have it today. The apostles went all over teaching the word performing miracles, healing the sick and casting out devils. The same power they had we have. Healings happen today, miracles happen today, the casting out of devils happens today, so why not also being filled with the holy spirit and speaking in tounges? God did not stop his power with the apostles he is always with us. Scripture says he is the same yesterday, today and forever. What he gave them we also have.
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1 Corinthians Ch.14 vs. 1 and 2
1:Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2:For he that speaketh in an unkown tounge speaketh not unto men but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speak mysteries.
It also goes on saying that if you speak in tounges to a person are to the church. It is better to have an interpreter to edify the church. But speaking to God and praying in tounges, back to vs. 2 he can understand.
1:Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2:For he that speaketh in an unkown tounge speaketh not unto men but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speak mysteries.
It also goes on saying that if you speak in tounges to a person are to the church. It is better to have an interpreter to edify the church. But speaking to God and praying in tounges, back to vs. 2 he can understand.