Does religion freedom legitimize discrimination?

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kaylagrl

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I wish I could like this more than once, so I spread some around instead.

Just to add to this, this is exactly what Jesus did in John 8 with the woman. He did not condemn her, he rescued and restored her.

Yes but the woman wanted to be restored! She wanted the water Jesus was speaking of.She was ashamed of her sin and she wanted to change her ways. Thats the difference with some people.
 
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Yes but the woman wanted to be restored! She wanted the water Jesus was speaking of.She was ashamed of her sin and she wanted to change her ways. Thats the difference with some people.
I am confused, what water did the woman caught in Adultery want from Jesus?

John 8 is about the woman the Pharisees brought to Jesus who had been caught in the act of Adultery and not the woman at the well, that did want the water Jesus talked about, but that is in John 4.

By your tone, you seem to imply ALL sinners do not want to change and like what they engage in? Is that what you are implying? Please clarify what you are saying.
 
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DesiredHaven

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God doesnt even hate sinners simply because he doesnt agree with the practice of such the things which we are told will not be inheriting the Kingdom of God either.

I dont know why they call people who disagree with homsexuality homo-phobes though.

Like people are phobic (in some way) of homosexuals, simply for disagreeing with the practice?

That would make God out as homophobic I would think.

Surely our God isnt a homo-phobe, a fornicator-phobe, or an adulterer-phobe (for that matter) or whatever phobes they are calling those who disagree with whatever practice of such things God might not agree with.
 
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If you are talking about Westboro we'll get that out of the way up front.I do not consider them Christians,I consider them a cult and no more. Jesus confronted sin.Did He attack the sinner? No.But He confronted sin.So if you are talking about a person attacking an unbeliever then I would not agree with someone doing that.But John the Baptist lost his head for some reason,Im pretty sure it was confronting sin.



ps. I dont hate homosexuals just because I dont agree with them.And yes I really,really do believe that.
This is not about westboro, though I admit they are a cult.

I never said Jesus did not confront sin either. I am asking you about Jesus' methods in confronting sin.

I also agree on John the Baptist.
 
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Breeze7

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I feel religious freedom legitimizes discernment, yes I like the word discernment over discrimination.
 

Elin

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I feel religious freedom legitimizes discernment, yes I like the word discernment over discrimination.
Discrimination is a good word.

I am to discriminate between good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, obedience and disobedience, etc., etc., etc.
 
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kaylagrl

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I am confused, what water did the woman caught in Adultery want from Jesus?

John 8 is about the woman the Pharisees brought to Jesus who had been caught in the act of Adultery and not the woman at the well, that did want the water Jesus talked about, but that is in John 4.

By your tone, you seem to imply ALL sinners do not want to change and like what they engage in? Is that what you are implying? Please clarify what you are saying.


Quote "Just to add to this, this is exactly what Jesus did in John 8 with the woman. He did not condemn her, he rescued and restored her."


Yes I gave your post a quick read and realized which verse you were talking about after I posted it.I didnt have time to correct it but in both stories the result is the same.The women admitted they had sinned,they knew they were guilty,they wanted to change.I find that many homosexuals want to be accepted as they are.They want homosexuality to be accepted in the church.And many churches are accepting them in their lifestyles.I disagree with that,and so does the Bible.And not I was not indicating that all sinners do not want to change.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Speaking of which is it true that the woman caught in adultery part isnt in the earlier manuscripts?
 
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DesiredHaven

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Thats probably another thread, no need answer that would derail, sorry
 
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Quote "Just to add to this, this is exactly what Jesus did in John 8 with the woman. He did not condemn her, he rescued and restored her."


Yes I gave your post a quick read and realized which verse you were talking about after I posted it.I didnt have time to correct it but in both stories the result is the same.The women admitted they had sinned,they knew they were guilty,they wanted to change.I find that many homosexuals want to be accepted as they are.They want homosexuality to be accepted in the church.And many churches are accepting them in their lifestyles.I disagree with that,and so does the Bible.And not I was not indicating that all sinners do not want to change.
it is interesting how I said ALL sinners and you said homosexuality.
 
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kaylagrl

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it is interesting how I said ALL sinners and you said homosexuality.

No,my point was that many gays dont see homosexuality as wrong and dont see a reason to change.Of course many sinners dont want to change but the OP is talking about homosexuality.Either way you're judging me to say I hate gays because I disagree with their lifestyle. Simply not true.Dont put words in my mouth.
 
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No,my point was that many gays dont see homosexuality as wrong and dont see a reason to change.Of course many sinners dont want to change but the OP is talking about homosexuality.Either way you're judging me to say I hate gays because I disagree with their lifestyle. Simply not true.Dont put words in my mouth.
You certainly no hate towards those people but you do have a bias.
 
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kaylagirl said:
No,my point was that many gays dont see homosexuality as wrong and dont see a reason to change.Of course many sinners dont want to change but the OP is talking about homosexuality.Either way you're judging me to say I hate gays because I disagree with their lifestyle. Simply not true.Dont put words in my mouth.
You certainly no hate towards those people but you do have a bias.
Yes, the practice of homosexuality is sin. . .on that the Bible is not netural and neither are those who take the Bible at its word.
 

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No,my point was that many gays dont see homosexuality as wrong and dont see a reason to change.Of course many sinners dont want to change but the OP is talking about homosexuality.Either way you're judging me to say I hate gays because I disagree with their lifestyle. Simply not true.Dont put words in my mouth.
You certainly no hate towards those people but you do have a bias.
Yes, the practice of homosexuality is sin. . .on that the Bible is not netural and neither are those who take the Bible at its word.
It seems to me that the three of you are in basic agreement and talking past each other.
 
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Discrimination is another word for faculty of reason. It is natural and good, and everyone engages in it. This is not a matter of religious freedom; this is a matter of freedom, period. If we are not free to think speak and act sincerely then we are not free-at all.That is slavery, communism. Christians should NOT be forced to do something they do not stand for. But they should always remember love your neighbour as yourself.
Christians are forced, everywhere and in several ways. Here is one command to endure it, until the last day of our lives: Matt 5:41-42

Yes!

It seems dictators and their dictatorships are going to be widespread:

 
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Speaking of which is it true that the woman caught in adultery part isnt in the earlier manuscripts?
Letś asume it wasn't in the NT, but that issue is mentioned in the Old testament and BOTH "lovers" were equally punished to death.
 
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Religion or not, for some reason we will always look for a divide. Whether it be the colour of our skin, the country we were born, gender, age, the beliefs we have, our sexual orientation, wealth, employment status or simply if you have an Xbox or a PlayStation. For some reason there is something innate in us that looks to separate us all into different groups Due to both major and minor things.

Is there a religious explanation for this? I'm not talking about good or evil or right and wrong.. Just the seemingly innate want to separate somehow.
yahweh explains simply: the flesh, sin, the devil, selfishness, greed, human nature(completely corrupt)

all that is natural of the flesh of the world of mankind .... "innate" (no one is free from it until they are

set free by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, if ever)
 
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Christians are forced, everywhere and in several ways. Here is one command to endure it, until the last day of our lives: Matt 5:41-42 Yes! It seems dictators and their dictatorships are going to be widespread
"going to be?" they always have been..... politically, religiously, socially, economically, scientifically, educationally..... in every way among mankind.... and the prince of the power of the air over all on earth who are not REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB....