How long 'til the end?

[atwhatcost]

Does it matter? If you knew Jesus was returning tomorrow, what would you do?

The value of this question is saying are you doing the right thing today, or are you getting distracted. Jesus's parables seem to be about being distracted and not focusing on what is important. The terror begrade seem to want everybody to sell up and wait, because it is holiday time. Trouble is this makes a mockery of the whole gospel, its emphasis, and meeting the daily needs of those around you. Most of what we do, is about meeting needs, which until the Lord returns stay the same.

So it makes me wonder if all this shout the warning stuff, is just gumf, rather we should shout the warning that nutcases will bring about the end because they are so certain there is great value in bringing judgement rather than spreading love and salvation.

If I were absolutely sure Jesus was coming tomorrow what would I do? Definitely things I don't dare do now, knowing it would cause me too much pain to deal with it tomorrow. (Disabled with chronic pain, so if I do some things, it's guaranteed I'll hurt more in the next few days.)

After crying, and laughing at the same time, I think I'd dance up and down the streets. All three things would cause extreme pain for days, but if I don't have to face that pain, why not?

I'd certainly hope the news announces it, or chances are good, I'd be spending the night trying to contact my relatives for one last try. Seems to me, if the news announced it, suddenly my brother would realize how dumb he is to assume God isn't simply because Mom died. And, cool. Suddenly my family hears what they won't let me talk about all these decades. That leaves me free to do the last thing I always wanted to do -- spend the rest of my life hugging hubby and laughing that it's finally happening!

 

[phil112]

is it describing literal things, or just hogwash?

Not being sarcastic, just asking

It is using symbolism to describe a literal event. The point is that the symbolism looks NOTHING like the literal event, it is only used for a comparative narration.....just God's way of disclosing the end to those that are sincere believers. Only a fool would believe that God is going to show us a woman clothed in the sun, using the moon as her footstool, and having a dozen suns for a crown. You do know how big a sun is, right? You do know that our sun is one of the smallest, right?
The simple act of you asking makes me raise my eyebrows.

To answer your question, it is neither literal nor hogwash. It is symbolism.........look the word up.

 

[weakness]

Rev. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, how long, oh Lord, Holy and true, Do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robs were given unto them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants, their brethren, should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[Skgrim]

The Bible commands its readers: “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (I Thes. 5:21)

 

[WheresEnoch]

Soon, be ready

 

[Skgrim]

And the end is so much closer than you think!
I believe we have reached what the Bible calls"The Last Days" most don't know where or how to find the answers, instead they rely on people that call themselves experts, bible prophets. You need to examine for yourself scriptures of prophecy. Most if us that read the Bible remain in near total ugnorance of its meaning ( 2 Tim. 3:7 )"never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"
And take heed…lest…that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth” (Luke 21:34-35).
“Watch you therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man” (vs. 36).
“Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in My name, saying, I [Jesus] am Christ; and shall deceive many” (Matt. 24:4-5) repent you, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15)
Gal.1:6-9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Matt.24:14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.( Matt24:6-8) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. [8] All these are the beginning of sorrows. Are these not spinning out of control? I know so many people think its happened before, it will get better, because it always has. Things are going to get so much more serious than you could ever imagine.

 

[RickyZ]

According to Luke 2:20 the end could be tonight. We should stop worrying over a general rapture that we probably will not see and worry about the personal one we may experience tonight.

 

[Skgrim]

Quote: New, serious outbreaks of old diseases—some now antibiotic-resistant—are reported more frequently. These include the HIV epidemic, cholera, typhoid, dengue fever, flesh-eating bacteria, Legionnaire’s disease, the Ebola and West Nile viruses, malaria, the return of stronger, more resistant strains of tuberculosis and diphtheria, and an explosion of sexually transmitted diseases. Whooping cough is again on the rise. These are but a small part of an immense, constantly emerging picture of frightening new diseases—and old ones returning with a vengeance!
Consider one illustration. Over 10,000 die from lung disease every year just in Hong Kong—just due to pollution. But 1.28 million die in China—one country!—each year!—just due to lung-related diseases.
About 24,000 people on Earth now starve to death every day—with this number steadily rising! Think. I live in a city of just about 24,000. This means a medium-sized city disappears from the face of the earth every 24 hours!
In recent years, scientists have warned of climate change. Few any longer doubt that more extreme weather has arrived on the front edge of a worldwide phenomenon, whatever the cause. Storms are more severe, and more often. Abnormal flooding and devastation of the land are contributing to famines and disease epidemics in unheard of proportions. Weather catastrophes, earthquakes, wars and resulting disease and hopelessness tend to exacerbate what is already an epidemic of suffering.
The world must learn about the laws of God. Both Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-4
The Bible also foretells more volcanic activity—and this is happening!
How can you say it's not near? This world will be destroyed if He doesn't come soon

 

[SaintInLight]

2 Thess 2:
[SUP]1[/SUP] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[SUP]2[/SUP] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[SUP]3[/SUP] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition


Key words-Day of Christ.
Not, the "Day of the Lord".
The King James Bible AV 1611...Is the Word of God in English for the world.Preserved, inspired and spotless by the Holy Spirit.God Is the great I Am.He Is Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent.Jesus Is perfectly capable of preserving His Word supernaturally in spite of:
Genesis 3:2
"Yea hath God said???????????
The NIV, ESV, AMPLIFIED, ASB, NKJB, NASB, Living bible, message bible, etc, etc are All corruptions of evil and the Devil pointing to:
"Yea hath God said?...............and the NWO "christ".The Antichrist.These "versions" all point to the new age "christ" and the New World Order.

God tells us in His Word when the end shall be.This is Not Math, Mark, Luke and John, as Jesus is talking about His SECOND coming-the Day of the Lord.

1 and 2 Thess, the Holy Spirit through Paul is describing the Day of Christ.The end of the age of grace and the beginning of Jacob's trouble-the tribulation.

We who are saved are sealed now by the Holy Spirit unto salvation and rescue on are spirits.

Ephesians 1:13-14

[SUP]13[/SUP] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Key word-SEALED.


[SUP]14[/SUP] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Key word-REDEMPTION.

2 Thess 2:1-13 is one of the MOST SIMPLY mis-understood chapters in the entire bible.God says what he means and means what he SAYS.The king James Bible AV 1611.
NOT the Satanic corrupted "modern" versions.

The Time Is Short.According to the Incorruptible Truth.
God TELLS US................

2 Thess 2:
verse 3 explains verses 6 and 7.
verses 6 and 7 explain verse 3.
The bible-God, gave us a built in dictionary in His Word.Verses following explain verses proceeding.Hermeneutics and Exegesis.Theses are Not taught in 99% of "Christiandom".
Why not?
The Holy Spirit is the Great Teacher, and teaches all things that you should have NO need of the "wisdom" of men.

"Falling Away" is self explanatory by His (Truth) Words. It is Not all the ERROR about "apostasy" that is "taught" Everywhere. God says what he means.
Do not Add to the Word of God or take away from it.
Revelation 22:18-19...Is VERY Serious.....to God.His Word is even exalted above His name!
Yikes!

Where in 1 and 2 Thessalonians-is God speaking about a "Great Apostasy"????.....in regards to the CONTEXT of the paragraphs???Where?

Revelation13:3

[SUP]3[/SUP] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered
after the beast.


Zechariah 11:17
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-13
"Falling away is the "man" falling away" from the mortal wound, revealing the son of perdition who will "resurect the "man" as "god" and become the antichrist.
This is as God says it is, by His Word.King James Bible AV 1611.
Not All the Error and wicked adding to God's Word and taking away from it.
Do a word study comparing the satanic bible verses with the Truth (KJB AV 1611), from a humble, meek and contrite heart.Through the Holy Spirit.
After all: Genesis 3:2
"Yea hath God said?????????????
Hmmmm

So Phill, God has told us "when".
It is much sooner than later and deception is ALL around us to not receive it as the Truth.
Yea let god be true and Everyman a liar-As It Is Written.
God-truth is the same yesterday today and forever.

 

[Skgrim]

The only way anyone will be saved is if there keeping Gods Sabbath and His holy Days and keeping His commandments. Like you quoted 2 Thess.2:1- So when he says if you don't keep my Sabbath and my commandments you will die. That's exactly what he means.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The only way anyone will be saved is if there keeping Gods Sabbath and His holy Days and keeping His commandments. Like you quoted 2 Thess.2:1- So when he says if you don't keep my Sabbath and my commandments you will die. That's exactly what he means.

The law was never given to us for salvation and we cannot judge how we will be saved. It is good to keep the law but in a Biblical fashion. Yeshua is our salvation and not keeping God's Sabbath (that is 7th day Activist doctrine, man made doctrine).

I also want to add that being obedient to the word of God does not make us legalistic.

 

[iamsoandso]

The obvious answer is no one knows, of course, but I am thinking that it could very well be longer than I and others anticipate.

2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

We know Christ won't tarry, that He has said He will come soon, but how much time is soon to Him? We don't know how long man was here from Christ's birth back, but we, no doubt, have less time than that. But if you stop and think about it, it's only been two days since Christ, to God. Man was here at least 4 thousand years, or 4 days, up 'til Christ. Might be 3 thousand years or more before He comes. That's only 3 days to God.

Just something that crossed my mind as I read this morning.

I haven't written for a while,I'm content for the most part to sit and read along. I end up with days when I am sad and days when I am happy that way. I notice you said "it's been two days since Christ",,,but today is still the sixth day(highly controversial subject),because the scriptures people will supply will always cause reason to examine this in regards to what is written. As we know for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction(third law of phy.),,,yet even as it it true also for each decision we decide to form a stance upon,another will come along and have us change it. In this we decide one thing, and again we continue searching scripture and based on things we learn we modify the original decision we decided upon. This I think is the error we make in it,that faith requires us to make an "final stance" and not change it.

The days of time as if we speak of time in aspect to earth in it's orbit or the moon in it's orbit around the earth make for a good reference to a man setting his watch but to God who can keep them in their orbits or cut them short,or stop them, or cause them to reverse their course it is of no consequence,that is he can change his final stance.

In (Isaiah 46:10 KJV) God tells us that he told us the end from the beginning. Jesus said that they,then could not discern the signs or the times (Matt. 16:3 KJV) , (Luke 12:56 KJV) again in (Acts 1:7 KJV) they were still not given to know the times. Gabriel mentions this reasoning stating in (Danial 10:21 KJV) in that only Michael "holdeth" with him on the matter,so even the angels did not know it except for the two and then even a portion of it was sealed(Danial 12:9 KJV). The sons of Isschar were given to know the signs and the times(1 Chronicles 12:32 KJV).


And then again as you quote (2 peter 3:8 KJV) Peter understands a thousand years is as ONE DAY,but one day in what? There are seven days,and the evening and the morning were the first day,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th(day your in),,,and the millennial(7th),,,,that is man in the age of innocence(Garden) is the first,after being driven out of the garden(2nd),flood began the (3rd),Abraham "get ye our of Ur" (4th),,from Moses to the cross (5th),,,dispensation of grace (6th/day your in),,,Mill. kingdom 7th,,,,,

 

[Skgrim]

In the famous Olivet prophecy of Matthew 24, the disciples asked Christ, “Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the world?” (vs. 3). After answering this question in detail, Christ, thirty-three verses later, added, “But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven but My Father only” (vs. 36).
Does this mean we cannot know the general time of Christ’s Second Coming? Some believe this—and these same people shrug off any need to even be concerned with the timing of Christ’s Return.
What does Matthew 24:50-51 mean when it says, “The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looks not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites”? It is clear that almost everyone is not looking for Christ’s Second Coming at the right time. In fact, He will come when most are not looking for Him at all. What will cause so many to not recognize the onset of such an enormous event?
Why are so many unable to recognize the arrival of the last days?
In verses 32-33, Christ spoke a parable: “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near: So likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it [margin: He] is near, even at the doors.” Christ states that we can know the “season” of His Second Coming.
Do not be willing to settle for anything less than what the Bible tells you!
Christ told His disciples, “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:28)
quote)- just prior to Christ’s Second Coming. He wrote, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away” (II Tim. 3:1-6). I'm sorry I never dreamed this would be in my life time, and I would love to go back in time when it was not ok to live this way. Better yet I can't wait to live in a world where it will not be permitted.

 

[Skgrim]

Matthew 24:14, also part of the Olivet Prophecy, states, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ahhh! Does that mean you disagree with Dan, who said, "My soonest guess would be around 3 years, 6 months, 1 week. and 5.5 days from the time of this posting.. But don't quote me, I could be off 2 to 4 hours" I can't help it, I appreciate a good as it gets guess. lol

On a more serious note, it's not Man pushing buttons that ends it all. We don't have the technology to wipe out heaven and earth, and we have no talent for bringing in a new heaven and earth.

With that, I'm thinking your guess of a thousand years is as likely as Dan's guess.

lol. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Jesus said at that time, there will be great tribulation such as never been seen before or after. (think ww2 except much worse) and that he would have to return and cut it off or else all flash would die. so man must have the ability to wipe out all flesh.

also think, if the US china and Russia launched all their nukes at each other. the nuclear winter which followed would prety much do just that.

and yes, I would say that 1000 years is just as likely as his, no one knows. the next signs in prophetic history/future is the man of sin making an agreement with many for 7 years (if we can even determine who and what that is) and the abomination which makes desolate in Jerusalem. for then we will know it will happen between 3.5 and 4 years after that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't say they were fulfilled.

well if tribulation started in ad 70. would it not yet be fulfilled?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is using symbolism to describe a literal event. The point is that the symbolism looks NOTHING like the literal event, it is only used for a comparative narration.....just God's way of disclosing the end to those that are sincere believers. Only a fool would believe that God is going to show us a woman clothed in the sun, using the moon as her footstool, and having a dozen suns for a crown. You do know how big a sun is, right? You do know that our sun is one of the smallest, right?
The simple act of you asking makes me raise my eyebrows.

To answer your question, it is neither literal nor hogwash. It is symbolism.........look the word up.

lol, well alot of people want to make the interpretation a symbolic thing. and not something which literally happens.

Thats why I asked. Is it describing literal events. or symbolic events?

 

[atwhatcost]

It is using symbolism to describe a literal event. The point is that the symbolism looks NOTHING like the literal event, it is only used for a comparative narration.....just God's way of disclosing the end to those that are sincere believers. Only a fool would believe that God is going to show us a woman clothed in the sun, using the moon as her footstool, and having a dozen suns for a crown. You do know how big a sun is, right? You do know that our sun is one of the smallest, right?
The simple act of you asking makes me raise my eyebrows.

To answer your question, it is neither literal nor hogwash. It is symbolism.........look the word up.

And you do know a day isn't literally a millennium, right? (lol j/k. I'm appreciating you're doing to others what I did to you.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only way anyone will be saved is if there keeping Gods Sabbath and His holy Days and keeping His commandments. Like you quoted 2 Thess.2:1- So when he says if you don't keep my Sabbath and my commandments you will die. That's exactly what he means.

so grace is out the door. and we are saved by law. Even though no man who ever walked the earth has been saved by following the law?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 24:14, also part of the Olivet Prophecy, states, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

yep, and we are prety close to that also. Not very many have not heard the gospel. and more are hearing it every year.