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atwhatcost

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2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

When anyone calls any Holy Bible "scripture",
yet believes only the O.T. original autographs
were given by inspiration of God, it is dishonest.

They don't have the O.T. original autographs.



or if anyone believes only the original O.T. & N.T. autographs
were scripture given by inspiration of God,
it is also dishonest to call what they scripture.

They don't have the O.T. or N.T. original manuscripts.



What is the truth about this ?
^ That.

Seems to me you nailed it, so what's the question?
:p

(And, holy cow! I finally understood something you wrote. I'm feeling smarter today. lol)
 
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Which ones? I will stay away from them.

There are two types of bibles, Holy Bibles and Corrupt Bible.

Holy Bibles are translated from holy manuscripts

and Corrupt Bibles from corrupt manuscripts.


99% of the 5,500+ existing N.T. manuscripts support

the readings
of the KJV Holy Bible.


The N.T. manuscripts of the KJV Holy Bible


predate the existing 45 Alexandrian corrupt manuscripts


and the reconstructed Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.


Over seven years 47 of history’s greatest scholars prayerfully

translated the Authorized King James Holy Bible

from the majority manuscripts and Wycliffe Bible,

Erasmus N.T., Luther Bible, Colinaeus N.T.,

Stephanus N.T., Tyndale Bible, Coverdale Bible,

Great Bible,
Geneva Bible, Bishop Bible and Beza N.T.







 
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JesusIsAll

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#43
^ That.

Seems to me you nailed it, so what's the question?
:p

(And, holy cow! I finally understood something you wrote. I'm feeling smarter today. lol)
Glad somebody understands something. Maybe I'm stupid, but it seems there was like some point starting to be made, and then the thread went into the Twilight Zone. Maybe whatever the point is should be left a mystery, also.
 
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JesusIsAll

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#45


There are two types of bibles, Holy Bibles and Corrupt Bible.

Holy Bibles are translated from holy manuscripts

and Corrupt Bibles from corrupt manuscripts.


99% of the 5,500+ existing N.T. manuscripts support

the readings
of the KJV Holy Bible.


The N.T. manuscripts of the KJV Holy Bible


predate the existing 45 Alexandrian manuscripts


and the reconstructed Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.


Over seven years 47 of history’s greatest scholars prayerfully

translated the Authorized King James Holy Bible

from the majority manuscripts and Wycliffe Bible,

Erasmus N.T., Luther Bible, Colinaeus N.T.,

Stephanus N.T., Tyndale Bible, Coverdale Bible,

Great Bible,
Geneva Bible, Bishop Bible and Beza N.T.

So, if somebody uses a good word for word Bible like a NASB, or prefers, say, an RSV, and touching them doesn't sufficiently burn their fingertips to hinder, will they go to hell?
 
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atwhatcost

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#46
I really do not think anyone is going to take you seriously from here on out. You may as well not clutter up the site with pointless questions that are only intended to create an argument.
​I don't know. I've been thinking this same thing ever since I've seen people on here claiming the OT is an allegory, the hell thing is just not true, all 200+ versions of the Bible (and there are so many more versions, once we get it out of our head that all Bibles are for 21st century English-speakers) are inaccurate, therefore let's not use them, and that the truth of the Bible is only what we make of it.

This seems to hit the nail on the head of things I've been thinking for a couple of weeks now. Is it contentious? Sure, but only to those who are sure they, and they alone, have the "real answers."

You've been on here longer than I have. You haven't noticed the amount of truly funky versions of "Christian?"

There's a sticky thread above about why the RCC is funky. Why aren't we to bring up it's not the only funky posing as Christian? Whereas, I agree there are many views of many positions I disagree with, but that doesn't stop that person or me from being a Christian, that list of funky beliefs I've just covered seriously makes me know they are NOT Christians.

It's not pointless.
 
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JesusIsAll

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#49

Sure, but only to those who are sure they, and they alone, have the "real answers."
It can get plain lonely around here, knowing you're not one of God's special little creatures.
 
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Glad somebody understands something. Maybe I'm stupid, but it seems there was like some point starting to be made, and then the thread went into the Twilight Zone. Maybe whatever the point is should be left a mystery, also.

well, not really, the central critical issue in academic theology is final authority

 
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So, if somebody uses a good word for word Bible like a NASB, or prefers, say, an RSV, and touching them doesn't sufficiently burn their fingertips to hinder, will they go to hell?
please, a good word for word translation of a corrupt manuscript is not good



 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I really do not think anyone is going to take you seriously from here on out. You may as well not clutter up the site with pointless questions that are only intended to create an argument.
I do. The OP is a KJV Onlyist, though a most bizarre one whose let his radical nonsense carry him into territory most KJV Onlyists won't go. He point-blank denies that is his agenda even when confronted with the facts that his posts contain all the rhetoric, key words, and heresy of the movement.

Reading him is a waste of time and effort.
 
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atwhatcost

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#53
Where in scripture do we find that God's word can be lost or corrupted?
Not there, but then again you promote a version that was very much about trying to corrupt God's word. (It didn't work.) King James hired a bunch of scholars to translate the Bible into what he wanted it to say. He wanted it to say the King is Law, instead of the law is king. God had other plans, and got the scholars to do a good translation for its time.

Words have changed in meaning since then, and new evidence proves some of the words were mistranslated, but this is what we get -- the best translations by the scholars of the time.

Let's face it, if KJV1611 was the only version that works, that's roughly 1578 years of people stuck with bad translations and countless people who never got any translation, because they can't read English.

That rather proves the point.
 
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​I don't know. I've been thinking this same thing ever since I've seen people on here claiming the OT is an allegory, the hell thing is just not true, all 200+ versions of the Bible (and there are so many more versions, once we get it out of our head that all Bibles are for 21st century English-speakers) are inaccurate, therefore let's not use them, and that the truth of the Bible is only what we make of it.

This seems to hit the nail on the head of things I've been thinking for a couple of weeks now. Is it contentious? Sure, but only to those who are sure they, and they alone, have the "real answers."

You've been on here longer than I have. You haven't noticed the amount of truly funky versions of "Christian?"

There's a sticky thread above about why the RCC is funky. Why aren't we to bring up it's not the only funky posing as Christian? Whereas, I agree there are many views of many positions I disagree with, but that doesn't stop that person or me from being a Christian, that list of funky beliefs I've just covered seriously makes me know they are NOT Christians.

It's not pointless.

ah, ok, I think the Lord did preserve his words unto all generations

Psalms 12:6-7
6 The words of the LORD are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
from this generation for ever.



When the Lord gave scripture to O.T. Jews, he gave it to them in their language.


When the Lord gave scripture to N.T. Christians, he gave it to them
in the language of the day.

Then the Lord gave nations Holy Bibles in their language.

Finally, the Lord gave the entire world Holy Bibles in the universal language,


which was translated into languages throughout the world.


The KJV Holy Bible is the most translated bible of all time.


The KJV Holy Bible is the most translated book of all time.






 
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JesusIsAll

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#55

well, not really, the central critical issue in academic theology is final authority

Problem is, there are so many final authorities I can't keep track of them all, have mercy! Why, just on ChristianChat, you'd have to multitask like a circular queue to keep track of...
 
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Problem is, there are so many final authorities I can't keep track of them all, have mercy! Why, just on ChristianChat, you'd have to multitask like a circular queue to keep track of...

No, there are actually only a few theories of final authority
.

The theological theories of sola scriptura (the scriptures are the final authority)
or sola eccelsia (the church(s) are the final authority)
and the philosophical theories of ethics inclusive
of everlasting consciousness or everlasting non-existence.



 
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I do. The OP is a KJV Onlyist, though a most bizarre one whose let his radical nonsense carry him into territory most KJV Onlyists won't go. He point-blank denies that is his agenda even when confronted with the facts that his posts contain all the rhetoric, key words, and heresy of the movement.

Reading him is a waste of time and effort.
Thank you for this! I stumbled on the thread (and will likely stumble back out stunned), but I was wondering what bee had crawled into Makahia's bonnet. KJV Onlyist. Got it. :)
 
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atwhatcost

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I say that with love and sincerity,

for reproof, for correction, for instruction !
Get real! Love would have corrected politely. That was out of the blue and had no sincerity or love in it. I may not get what you're saying half the time, but I know love when I see it. That's not it. I know sincerity when I see it. And even that wasn't there. Just absolutely no reproof, correction nor instruction. It was a knee-jerk reaction, and I have no idea where it came from.

Once you get off your ego, I think he deserves a true act of love, to go back and ask for his forgiveness.