Anti-vaxxers score legislative victory
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i've seen it so often starting in GOD'S WORD, then the anabaptists and Jews who were spurned, tortured, imprisoned and killed by the rcc from around 200 on through to today,
and done to martin luther, charles chiniquoy, keith green, david wilkerson, watchman nee, and all others
who preached the truth against the heresy
and exposing the
wickedness of sin in the world and in people so they could truly be convicted and chose prayerfully hopefully to repent (although most all never do repent or even try to be right with GOD in JESUS)...
and the last 40 years in the USA as the persecution of the truth-tellers, followers of JESUS, are treated
like criminals by the courts, police, judges, and churches....
seen it so often, it's hard to remember that a few llke you have not seen it but maybe a few times....
purely sheer grace as GOD protects everyone not to have to bear more than they can in HIS GRACE, ....
and done to martin luther, charles chiniquoy, keith green, david wilkerson, watchman nee, and all others
who preached the truth against the heresy
and exposing the
wickedness of sin in the world and in people so they could truly be convicted and chose prayerfully hopefully to repent (although most all never do repent or even try to be right with GOD in JESUS)...
and the last 40 years in the USA as the persecution of the truth-tellers, followers of JESUS, are treated
like criminals by the courts, police, judges, and churches....
seen it so often, it's hard to remember that a few llke you have not seen it but maybe a few times....
purely sheer grace as GOD protects everyone not to have to bear more than they can in HIS GRACE, ....
Be more charitable toward these people, Nautilus. If I were fond of cheap debate labels, I would say this is a straw man you've built here.
The anti-vaccine crowd is intensely concerned with the well-being of their children and those around them. Why else would they take such pains to avoid vaccines?
Most anti-vaccers are not wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, but people with legitimate questions combined with a lack of trust for the government that is, quite frankly, deserved. I know two people in the medical profession who had reservations about certain aspects of vaccine administration and testing LONG before miss McCarthy made an idiot out of herself.
So we've established that anti-vaccine parents are not monsters. Many of them are actually great parents who see what happens to autistic children and will do just about anything to avoid it and encouraging others to do the same. Largely in response to fears ginned up not by Jenny McCarthy but by "respectable" psychologists and statisticians at the APA.
So! We're going to take the children away from people who love and care for them and toss them into foster care. It's no secret that foster care bites. It's also no secret that adoption laws make it more difficult to adopt American children than foreign children. Oh, and then there is that other class of anti-vaccer, the illegal immigrant who never had a chance to vaccinate their kids.
See the nice little logistical curfuffle you've created in one fell swoop? Great, we'll be dealing with screwed up kids, pissed off parents, an over-burdened welfare system becoming more burdened yet in which the US government cannot afford a cheap pair of sunglasses. All based on a heavy-handed public safety measure.
Sometimes, you just have to respect spheres of authority other than the government and just hope that proper education will solve the problem in time.
The anti-vaccine crowd is intensely concerned with the well-being of their children and those around them. Why else would they take such pains to avoid vaccines?
Most anti-vaccers are not wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, but people with legitimate questions combined with a lack of trust for the government that is, quite frankly, deserved. I know two people in the medical profession who had reservations about certain aspects of vaccine administration and testing LONG before miss McCarthy made an idiot out of herself.
So we've established that anti-vaccine parents are not monsters. Many of them are actually great parents who see what happens to autistic children and will do just about anything to avoid it and encouraging others to do the same. Largely in response to fears ginned up not by Jenny McCarthy but by "respectable" psychologists and statisticians at the APA.
So! We're going to take the children away from people who love and care for them and toss them into foster care. It's no secret that foster care bites. It's also no secret that adoption laws make it more difficult to adopt American children than foreign children. Oh, and then there is that other class of anti-vaccer, the illegal immigrant who never had a chance to vaccinate their kids.
See the nice little logistical curfuffle you've created in one fell swoop? Great, we'll be dealing with screwed up kids, pissed off parents, an over-burdened welfare system becoming more burdened yet in which the US government cannot afford a cheap pair of sunglasses. All based on a heavy-handed public safety measure.
Sometimes, you just have to respect spheres of authority other than the government and just hope that proper education will solve the problem in time.
J
Yea this is good. Phama companies along with other industries are complete liars and abusers of the american people. I know many ppeople who stopped taking flu shots and what not since we don'tknow what is really being put in our body. Many governments are really under corporate umbrellas nowadays but all great empires fall.
I have not submitted to vaccination for over twenty years due to what I learned investigating the issue for myself.
I encourage people to be diligent and do their own research and allow people to make their choice. It is tyranny to impose one's will on another by force and there are many well meaning people who do so.
If one is going to refrain from vaccination then one must make sure they strengthen their immune system naturally and that means having a healthy lifestyle.
If one consumes inordinate amounts of sugar or its substitutes or eats a lot of "dead foods" then they are only setting themselves up for dis-ease of some sort.
I think vaccinations can be beneficial for those with suppressed immune systems, especially in the context of those who reject the responsibility of taking care of their vessels.
God created the wonderful human immune system and it is far more effective at combating infection than any allopathic means. Yet if one has subverted their immune system through detrimental lifestyle habits then one might as well go and get vaccinated.
I encourage people to be diligent and do their own research and allow people to make their choice. It is tyranny to impose one's will on another by force and there are many well meaning people who do so.
If one is going to refrain from vaccination then one must make sure they strengthen their immune system naturally and that means having a healthy lifestyle.
If one consumes inordinate amounts of sugar or its substitutes or eats a lot of "dead foods" then they are only setting themselves up for dis-ease of some sort.
I think vaccinations can be beneficial for those with suppressed immune systems, especially in the context of those who reject the responsibility of taking care of their vessels.
God created the wonderful human immune system and it is far more effective at combating infection than any allopathic means. Yet if one has subverted their immune system through detrimental lifestyle habits then one might as well go and get vaccinated.
The push for mandatory vaccination is utter hypocrisy.
I think the attitude of "we care" is utter hypocrisy.
Rarely will one ever hear about the aborted babies which were used to culture the original vaccines for rubella (of MMR), hepatitis and chicken pox among others. Such an allusion is often dusted off as 'a part of history that cannot be changed' by many of the same people who presently deem abortion as merely being a medical procedure in the context of a woman's right.
Likewise, many who are manipulated into an overblown fervour in pushing mandatory vaccination don't really think twice to the damage caused by the prolific intake of sugar and its substitutes in society.
It just goes to show how powerful and effective the art of Public Relations actually is in our modern society.
Edward Bernays was right on the mark when he wrote...
Propaganda, Edward Bernays, 1928.
Edward Bernays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Propaganda (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think the attitude of "we care" is utter hypocrisy.
Rarely will one ever hear about the aborted babies which were used to culture the original vaccines for rubella (of MMR), hepatitis and chicken pox among others. Such an allusion is often dusted off as 'a part of history that cannot be changed' by many of the same people who presently deem abortion as merely being a medical procedure in the context of a woman's right.
Likewise, many who are manipulated into an overblown fervour in pushing mandatory vaccination don't really think twice to the damage caused by the prolific intake of sugar and its substitutes in society.
It just goes to show how powerful and effective the art of Public Relations actually is in our modern society.
Edward Bernays was right on the mark when he wrote...
Propaganda, Edward Bernays, 1928.
Edward Bernays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Propaganda (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When I immigrated to the United States I had to pay hundreds of dollars in fees to the United States government in order to tender my vaccination exemption paperwork. As part of the residency process one must undergo a vaccination regime lest they apply for the exemption on philosophical or religious grounds (I applied on the grounds of both because my views encompass both). They required me to write a short essay on the grounds for my waiver to ensure that I was not blowing smoke.
When I attended my medical examination, at the location where the vaccines are usually administered, I was astounded to learn that I was the very first individual who had exercised my right to say no of all the people who had attended that particular location before me.
When I attended my medical examination, at the location where the vaccines are usually administered, I was astounded to learn that I was the very first individual who had exercised my right to say no of all the people who had attended that particular location before me.
so? that did not thwart yahweh's plan, purpose, or the salvation by faith and grace in yahshua hamashiach.
there's a lot of things repeated, quoted, posted on this forum that are completely in error, and it seems no one (or few) notices,
but that doesn't necessarily make the poster nor the ones who miss it condemned.
there's a lot of things luther held to or was said to say and write and preach that were in error,
but that didn't change the way GOD used him to set people free from the great harlot.
there's a lot of things repeated, quoted, posted on this forum that are completely in error, and it seems no one (or few) notices,
but that doesn't necessarily make the poster nor the ones who miss it condemned.
there's a lot of things luther held to or was said to say and write and preach that were in error,
but that didn't change the way GOD used him to set people free from the great harlot.
cdc results >>>
The Flu Vaccine–What Your Doctor Won’t Tell You (Or Probably Doesn’t Even Know) | VaxTruth.org
"The following is a list of different years and the number of flu associated deaths in children reported to the CDC:
* 1999-2000 -36 deaths [source]
* 2000-2001 -30 deaths [source] 17% decrease
* 2001-2002 – 25 deaths [source] 17% decrease
* 2002-2003 – 29 deaths [source] 16% increase (This is the last year that the flu vaccine was considered “unsafe” by the CDC for children under 5 – now let’s watch the increase of deaths after the CDC recommends all children age 6 months to 5 years be vaccinated for Influenza.)
* 2003-2004 – 153 [source] 427% increase
* 2004-2005 — 47 deaths [source] 69% decrease
* 2005-2006 – 46 deaths [source] 3% decrease
* 2006-2007 – 68 deaths [source] 48% increase
* 2007-2008 – 88 deaths [source] 29% increase
* 2008-2009 – 133 deaths [source] 51% increase
* 2009-2010 – 282 deaths [source] 112% increase
* 2010-2011 – 115 deaths [source] 59% decrease
The number of children dying from the flu has risen *drastically* since the CDC recommended children under 5 receive the flu vaccine. There has been an average of 67% increase of flu-associated death in children since the CDC recommended children under 5 receive the flu vaccine.
According to research presented at the 105th International Conference of the American Thoracic Society in San Diego, children who get the flu vaccination have a 3 times greater risk for hospitalization:
They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three times the risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, there was a significantly higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who received the TIV (Stands for Trivalent Influenza Vaccine – a.k.a. the flu shot), as compared to those who did not. [source Sciencedaily.com]
So in essence, parents who vaccinate their children against the flu are increasing the hospitalization risk for their child!"
for those still not convinced, keep looking for the truth, and you will find it. that is GOD'S PROMISE IN HIS WORD. (i.e. not my promise and not the cdc's nor the government's; but GOD'S PROMISE).
it is harder to find, but thousands have successfully found it and thousands are passing on the GOOD NEWS to others who are SEEKING TRUTH.
if you're not SEEKING TRUTH, not even GOD HIMSELF can help .... (well, HE can if HE decides to, but check it out in HIS WORD - see how HE treated people who sought other gods or other leaders instead of HIM and how HE dealt with people who trusted man or man's power instead of trusting GOD... (hope and pray at least for just discipline as children, and not destruction as unbelievers) .... )
The Flu Vaccine–What Your Doctor Won’t Tell You (Or Probably Doesn’t Even Know) | VaxTruth.org
"The following is a list of different years and the number of flu associated deaths in children reported to the CDC:
* 1999-2000 -36 deaths [source]
* 2000-2001 -30 deaths [source] 17% decrease
* 2001-2002 – 25 deaths [source] 17% decrease
* 2002-2003 – 29 deaths [source] 16% increase (This is the last year that the flu vaccine was considered “unsafe” by the CDC for children under 5 – now let’s watch the increase of deaths after the CDC recommends all children age 6 months to 5 years be vaccinated for Influenza.)
* 2003-2004 – 153 [source] 427% increase
* 2004-2005 — 47 deaths [source] 69% decrease
* 2005-2006 – 46 deaths [source] 3% decrease
* 2006-2007 – 68 deaths [source] 48% increase
* 2007-2008 – 88 deaths [source] 29% increase
* 2008-2009 – 133 deaths [source] 51% increase
* 2009-2010 – 282 deaths [source] 112% increase
* 2010-2011 – 115 deaths [source] 59% decrease
The number of children dying from the flu has risen *drastically* since the CDC recommended children under 5 receive the flu vaccine. There has been an average of 67% increase of flu-associated death in children since the CDC recommended children under 5 receive the flu vaccine.
According to research presented at the 105th International Conference of the American Thoracic Society in San Diego, children who get the flu vaccination have a 3 times greater risk for hospitalization:
They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three times the risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, there was a significantly higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who received the TIV (Stands for Trivalent Influenza Vaccine – a.k.a. the flu shot), as compared to those who did not. [source Sciencedaily.com]
So in essence, parents who vaccinate their children against the flu are increasing the hospitalization risk for their child!"
for those still not convinced, keep looking for the truth, and you will find it. that is GOD'S PROMISE IN HIS WORD. (i.e. not my promise and not the cdc's nor the government's; but GOD'S PROMISE).
it is harder to find, but thousands have successfully found it and thousands are passing on the GOOD NEWS to others who are SEEKING TRUTH.
if you're not SEEKING TRUTH, not even GOD HIMSELF can help .... (well, HE can if HE decides to, but check it out in HIS WORD - see how HE treated people who sought other gods or other leaders instead of HIM and how HE dealt with people who trusted man or man's power instead of trusting GOD... (hope and pray at least for just discipline as children, and not destruction as unbelievers) .... )
But you also need to factor in that the SAME people who approved thalidomide,DES,Vioxx,etc,etc,etc which then afterwards WERE THEN BANNED because of the dangerous affects that weren't caught,are the VERY SAME people who are saying the vaccines are safe. Some of the vaccines should not be a problem as they have been in use a long time others not so long and we have YET to see all the side effects and that won't be seen for some time. And to top it all off the SAME AGENCY that approves so called safe drugs for MINER problems that come with a WARNING LIST of the side affects that OFTEN TIMES worse then the problem then are trying to treat. Would you trust that agency to tell the whole truth?
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