On-Again/Off-Again in my relationship with God, why is this happening?

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Jason0047

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Verse 44, Jesus says the lusts (plural.... meaning many lusts .... or many sins) they will do.
 
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Besides, John says if you hate someone, you are a murderer, and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding within them.
 
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Obeying God's Word does not just include the sin of murder only.
 
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Jason0047 said:
I do not see how this proves your point. Yes, they wanted to kill him. Yes, they had pride. Jesus even pointed out before that the Pharisees ignored the weightier matters of the law like justice, love, and mercy. Jesus is saying they are desiring to kill him because his Word does not abide in them. Meaning, they do not obey the Word of God. Jesus says ......

Catch this now.

Jesus says if they were Abraham's father then they would do the works of Abraham. The works of Abraham. Jesus said if they were of God they would obey His Word. Jesus did not just have murder in mind with them. They were doing all sorts of things wrong and sinful. So no. The Pharisees were of their father the devil because they did not obey God's Word.
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And what was the devil's sin? Was it not pride? Pride is at the root of the REST of their sins. :rolleyes:
 
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SarahM777 said:
And what was the devil's sin? Was it not pride? Pride is at the root of the REST of their sins. :rolleyes:
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In John chapter 8, Jesus says the devil is a liar from the beginning. Jesus says in verse 44 that the lusts they will do of their father. Lusts means .... plural... or.... many different kinds of lusts and not one or two lusts alone. So Jesus is talking about many different kinds of lusts which is the result of disobeying God's Word.

Jesus even contrasts this with.... if you continue in my Word then you are my disciples indeed.

Jesus says elsewhere that he that obeys the will of the Father is his mother, brother, and sister. God the Father told everything Jesus was supposed to say and it was all recorded down as Scripture. So just as Jesus obeyed the Father, we are to obey and follow the Son.
 
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Jason0047 said:
In John chapter 8, Jesus says the devil is a liar from the beginning. Jesus says in verse 44 that the lusts they will do of their father. Lusts means .... plural... or.... many different kinds of lusts and not one or two lusts alone. So Jesus is talking about many different kinds of lusts which is the result of disobeying God's Word.

Jesus even contrasts this with.... if you continue in my Word then you are my disciples indeed.

Jesus says elsewhere that he that obeys the will of the Father is his mother, brother, and sister. God the Father told everything Jesus was supposed to say and it was all recorded down as Scripture. So just as Jesus obeyed the Father, we are to obey and follow the Son.
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Good stuff in here Jason, And the opposite of that is rebellion, which is what the Scriptures tell us was found in Satan...Pride comes from that premise first.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Seeing there is a 5 minute edit limit here at this forum (whereby I cannot make changes normally like other forums), I am adding an attached message to what I said.
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I would like to know about other forums? I'll send a friends request.
 
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Good stuff in here Jason, And the opposite of that is rebellion, which is what the Scriptures tell us was found in Satan...Pride comes from that premise first.
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I agree. Thank you, my friend.
 
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This a very interesting debate!!!! Wish I had more to add.
 
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I would like to know about other forums? I'll send a friends request.
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Well, at TheologyOnline you can edit anytime. I have even edited posts that were years old there. I used to talk at TheologyOnline for many years (under the same handle: Jason0047), but it was really a rough crowd or bunch over there. I do not know their policy now, but members there were allowed to call you some really bad stuff and get away with it there. There are a lot of MAD (Mid Acts Dispensationalists) there. That is the belief that there is two or more gospels in the New Testament. MAD was invented to defend OSAS. MAD was created because it is easiler to twiist Paul's teachings on righteousness than Jesus' teaching on righteousness. But such a theology is obviously false because Paul says if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the docrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

I remember joining ChristianForums for a brief time, but their advertisements there were way too annoying to even write anything normally. Pop up ads that would get in your way all the time. Maybe they have changed it now. I am not sure. But I do remember that you can edit posts there, too. Before I renewed my faith.... I talked on various entertainment forums for many years (In relation to movies, comic books, etc.). All of them had the capacity to edit your own posts. It was normal. This is the first forum I ran into that I know that has such a restriction.

I even said before here at CC (Christian Chat) that I would even pay monthly to have unrestricted access to editing my posts. I have been talking on forums since 2004. So writing on forums is not new to me.
 
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Michael65 said:
This a very interesting debate!!!! Wish I had more to add.
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Don't worry, my friend. In time when you study this topic some more, the Holy Spirit will show you the verses and bring them to your memory so as to tell others.
 
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Thank you Jason. I think I'll stick around here. Maybe they'll fix the problem. If that don't I'm OK with it. To many good Christians here to want to look else where. Hopefully we are all getting closer to fully understand the word of God. I know I am.
 
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SarahM777 said:
But you DIDN'T quote the WHOLE passage within the CONTEXT. This is what YOU quoted



This is what the PASSAGE ACTUALLY says

John 8

[SUP]31 [/SUP]To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. [SUP]36 [/SUP]So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [SUP]37 [/SUP]I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. [SUP]38 [/SUP]I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[SUP][b][/SUP]”
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[SUP][c][/SUP] do what Abraham did. [SUP]40 [/SUP]As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. [SUP]41 [/SUP]You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. [SUP]43[/SUP]Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. [SUP]44 [/SUP]You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. [SUP]45 [/SUP]Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! [SUP]46 [/SUP]Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? [SUP]47 [/SUP]Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

You LEFT out verses 31-37,40, and 43 By the way the passage DOES show that PRIDE is at the root of what they were trying to do. Their pride was in the fact they WERE ABRAHAM'S descendants and on that BASIS they had NO NEED TO BE SET FREE FROM SIN,WHICH IS PRIDE.

Houston it seems we have a problem.
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thank you sarah, been away the last few hours, would have posted the exact same thing.
 
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gb9 said:
thank you sarah, been away the last few hours, would have posted the exact same thing.
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Her posting of the verses did not disprove the plain straight forward reading of the verses I posted. In other words, it does not prove your interpretation. Jesus says.... they should do Abraham's works if they were of their father Abraham. Jesus said..... if they were of God then they would obey His Word. They didn't obey His Word so they were not of God. Thou Shalt Not Kill (Murder) is not the only Command given to us by God. Yes, they wanted to kill Jesus. But Jesus even said the lusts (plural) they would do of their father in verse 44. So this is talking about how they are doing many different sins and how they are not obeying God's Word. Obeying God's Word would not just be forbidng to murder or pride alone. That doesn't make any sense.
 
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Jesus says plainly to them and does not reference murder here. He is just saying this in general.

"Jesus answered them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.'" (John 8:34).

 
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After these things the Word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying,Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
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receive that ----> In -Grafted (Word of Promise)^^^^^^^ into Good Ground, a heart that has been transformed... THEN WATCH AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AROUND YOU.... you want to experience a Supernatural Walk with God? let Him place that into your heart, His Promise, --------> the Just shall live by Faith.. you'll understand Just How Big God really is as He is your Shield, and your exceeding Great Reward..
 
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"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
~ (John 8:51)

What sayings are that? Well, everything Christ taught in His ministry. That wouldn't include just be forbidding to murder people and to be prideful alone.
 
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"Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying." (John 8:55).

Jesus also calls the Pharisees liars, too. Jesus does not talk about murder or pride here. Jesus merely says here that he keeps the Father's sayings and that He knows Him. Whereas it is clear that the Pharisees here do not know or keep the Father's sayings.
 
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Jason0047 said:
"Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying." (John 8:55).
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Liars, they say they 'know' Him, yet their 'fruit' tells us something different, just like the vipers and serpents of Jesus's Time.. no different today.. still the same serpent behind the 'mask'. indeed
 
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As for Genesis 15:1,

When Abram feared in that part of that account in Scripture, he was not made perfect in love yet with God. That is what Abram's journey with God is all about. Abram was on a walk with God so as to perfect his love with the Lord by faith. Abram's enemy or enemies (That caused him to fear), was a lesson in loving and trusting God. God wanted to comfort Abram in his decision of refusing the riches from the King of Sodom by saying that He (God) was his exceeding great reward. He was Abram's pearl of great price. His prized possession.


 
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