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Again, with the... "You need to read the whole chapter" statement. That is a cop out phrase. If you knew where exactly in that chapter it disproves what I shown to you in Scripture, then you should have no problem pointing out the verses or words that make such a thing so. But I have already mentioned more than enough verses to disprove your viewpoint on these passages (Which doesn't make sense ~ BTW).
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Jason, Just for thought:
Who renews their mind? . . . Who has to put off the old and put on the new? Who has to control thoughts and cast down vain imaginations? We do . . . it is not automatically done once we are born again . . . . it is a process. Let's say I'm walking along, everything's fine but all of a sudden I am outside the "boundaries" - I cross the line and it takes me a while to get back toward the "center" . . . If I die before I get back to the "center" . . . What happens to me? Does God remove that spirit that He created in me that was given by "birth" by His incorruptible seed?
Good fruit = fruit of the Spirit - Correct?
Who renews their mind? . . . Who has to put off the old and put on the new? Who has to control thoughts and cast down vain imaginations? We do . . . it is not automatically done once we are born again . . . . it is a process. Let's say I'm walking along, everything's fine but all of a sudden I am outside the "boundaries" - I cross the line and it takes me a while to get back toward the "center" . . . If I die before I get back to the "center" . . . What happens to me? Does God remove that spirit that He created in me that was given by "birth" by His incorruptible seed?
Good fruit = fruit of the Spirit - Correct?
If I didn't know any better, I would think you were a Works Salvationist by such statements. But I know that is not the case. You are on the opposite wrong extreme side of the spectrum of that belief. You said before you can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved. Being out of fellowship implies one is out of fellowship because of sin. Which basically means you believe a person can sin and still be saved (Which is Antinomianism or the opposite wrong side of the spectrum in Soteriology).
Anyways, yes, we as believers do need to yield to the Spirit of God. But we are yielding to the work God (Christ) wants to do within us. Paul said he labored more than all his brethren, yet he said he did not labor, but it was the grace of God within him (1 Corinthians 15:10). Meaning, Paul was giving credit to God for the work done in him. For it's why the elders cast down their crowns before Jesus. For Christ deserves all the glory, honor, and power because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. For we can do all things thru Christ which strengthens us. Strengthens us how? Why are we strengthened? By our own power and might? No. By Christ working in us. Think about it.
The Scriptures at times are written from two different perspectives in regards to works. But ultimately it is God doing the work in you because He is convicting and moving a believer to do His will.
Anyways, yes, we as believers do need to yield to the Spirit of God. But we are yielding to the work God (Christ) wants to do within us. Paul said he labored more than all his brethren, yet he said he did not labor, but it was the grace of God within him (1 Corinthians 15:10). Meaning, Paul was giving credit to God for the work done in him. For it's why the elders cast down their crowns before Jesus. For Christ deserves all the glory, honor, and power because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. For we can do all things thru Christ which strengthens us. Strengthens us how? Why are we strengthened? By our own power and might? No. By Christ working in us. Think about it.
The Scriptures at times are written from two different perspectives in regards to works. But ultimately it is God doing the work in you because He is convicting and moving a believer to do His will.
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As for the fruit of the Spirit: This is a test of a true believer. Jesus said you will know false prophets by their fruits. Jesus said a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vise versa. Peter even said certain false prophets were those who had eyes full of adultery and could not cease from sin. Most who are in the sin and still be saved camp believe they will forever be a slave to their sin in this life. Which runs contrary to what Scripture teaches.
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We must gain knowledge. We do this sometimes by experimenting. Sometimes these experiments turn out to be a sin. If we know God we learn not to do them again. We don't become slaves to sin. We learn from sin. It's called learning from a mistake or from life expirence. That is how God teaches when there is no other teacher to be found. I know a lot about this method!!!
We must gain knowledge. We do this sometimes by experimenting. Sometimes these experiments turn out to be a sin. If we know God we learn not to do them again. We don't become slaves to sin. We learn from sin. It's called learning from a mistake or from life expirence. That is how God teaches when there is no other teacher to be found. I know a lot about this method!!!
Also, check out at minute 6:00 on the following video below for John chapter 8.
It is a scene taken directly from the Good News Translation.
[VIDEO=youtube;zBl3XBuk96Y]https://youtu.be/zBl3XBuk96Y[/VIDEO]
Side Note:
Please take note that Jesus is not white or European. Jesus is Jewish in appearance.
It is a scene taken directly from the Good News Translation.
[VIDEO=youtube;zBl3XBuk96Y]https://youtu.be/zBl3XBuk96Y[/VIDEO]
Side Note:
Please take note that Jesus is not white or European. Jesus is Jewish in appearance.
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Hay Called4Christ , same thing here . I was baptized back in 73 ( 11 years old ) and i all ways do the same thing , leave for a few years come back for about 7 months leave for a few years come back foe a few months all my life but this time i all most through my life away by trying to turn in to a women this month i was going to go on hormones , and was wanting to go as far as getting a S.R.S. when the time was right , but i think God said no way for i was feeling last February in side of me that what i was doing was wrong but i was fighting the feelings inside me here is what i did, [FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]So i got rid of all my mans clothing and bought nothing but women's clothing , skirts , dresses , stockings , shoes , you name it i had it . So i went as far as legally changed my name to BREANNA LAURA ADAMS . But my birth name is BRIAN OSWALD ADAMS . So running around dressed as a women all summer looking for work . So i was going to go on hormones to change my looks and even wanted a .S.R.S. . Wow , so then i didn't feel a tug at my heart , but the though of 930 am the light keeped running through my mind for about a month so finely i tuned in and started listening again and came back to CHRIST . So i don't know if God or Jesus will ever trust me with the holy again .All though i attend Stony Plane Baptized Church and reading the bible ( started with Matthew i'm only in Luke right now ) i still feel so dead in side , not happy not joyfull , just plane [/FONT]DEAD in side , will i ever get the holy spirit back again ?????? 
