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America's best economists came together and produced the best health care solution for the U.S. given it's desperate need for efficient, workable, affordable healthcare in a debt-ridden state with a sizable population.
They called it 'The Purple Health Plan' to position it so that both Republicans and Democrats could vote for it. (Note: mix red and blue together and you get purple).
Because it was the best plan created by America's best economists instead of the special interests paying our politicans, of course they rejected it and instead fought with each other on behalf of their sponsors (instead of the American people) until they eventually concocted the PPACA that we call "Obamacare" and passed it instead.
Sad but true story.
They called it 'The Purple Health Plan' to position it so that both Republicans and Democrats could vote for it. (Note: mix red and blue together and you get purple).
Because it was the best plan created by America's best economists instead of the special interests paying our politicans, of course they rejected it and instead fought with each other on behalf of their sponsors (instead of the American people) until they eventually concocted the PPACA that we call "Obamacare" and passed it instead.
Sad but true story.
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See: Election results: 10 charts that show how Britain voted - General Election 2015 - UK Politics - The Independent
UKIP came in third and had the largest voting percentage gain from the last election. The Lib Dems were the only party to lose votes compared to 2010. Two-thirds of voters actually voted this election.
UKIP came in third and had the largest voting percentage gain from the last election. The Lib Dems were the only party to lose votes compared to 2010. Two-thirds of voters actually voted this election.
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Every time I hear/see American's comment on our NHS I shake my head, with respect you guys have no clue how beloved our national health system is to the British. It is not welfare, it is funded by those in work. I don't believe there is serious lack of funds, it is badly managed. When it was founded the Conservatives opposed it but at that time we didn't have mass immigration, European union or health tourists draining it. UKIP could have and were apparently wanting to make serious adjustments to bring it up to date, now this won't happen.
I really dislike labelling, people talk about "left" and right" politics, I'm not interested in labelling just common sense. Mr Cameron now has free reign, a frightening thought, a man educated in the same school as princes William and Harry, a man and his wife both millionaires in their own right, a man who knows nothing of the everyday struggles of Joe average. Most frightening of all a man who calls himself a Christian yet backed gay marriage. The UKIP leader was far from perfect but to coin a British phrase "he called a spade a spade".
I really dislike labelling, people talk about "left" and right" politics, I'm not interested in labelling just common sense. Mr Cameron now has free reign, a frightening thought, a man educated in the same school as princes William and Harry, a man and his wife both millionaires in their own right, a man who knows nothing of the everyday struggles of Joe average. Most frightening of all a man who calls himself a Christian yet backed gay marriage. The UKIP leader was far from perfect but to coin a British phrase "he called a spade a spade".
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No one is suggesting a similar health system would work in the US - are they?
It had been working very well up until about 20yrs ago? When immigration really began to get out of hand. It took a nose-dive under Mr Cameron and his coalition government, now it is in serious trouble. Immigration is a real problem not just in draining the NHS but schools, housing etc. A small Island (as Bill Bryson calls us) will pretty soon run dry of space to build new housing and housing is not affordable to the average family anymore partly because of the land issue pushing prices up. In short we are in a bit of a mess and I don't see Mr Cameron getting us out of it.
Why did the masses vote conservative? Fear, plain and simple. Fear partly fuelled by the conservatives that a Labour government propped up by the SNP (Scottish party) would see Scottish issues overrule the rest of the UK. Here we feared work assigned for Devonport dockyard being re-routed to Rosyth in Scotland.
We had a real chance here - we blew it and yes God bless America and Britain.
It had been working very well up until about 20yrs ago? When immigration really began to get out of hand. It took a nose-dive under Mr Cameron and his coalition government, now it is in serious trouble. Immigration is a real problem not just in draining the NHS but schools, housing etc. A small Island (as Bill Bryson calls us) will pretty soon run dry of space to build new housing and housing is not affordable to the average family anymore partly because of the land issue pushing prices up. In short we are in a bit of a mess and I don't see Mr Cameron getting us out of it.
Why did the masses vote conservative? Fear, plain and simple. Fear partly fuelled by the conservatives that a Labour government propped up by the SNP (Scottish party) would see Scottish issues overrule the rest of the UK. Here we feared work assigned for Devonport dockyard being re-routed to Rosyth in Scotland.
We had a real chance here - we blew it and yes God bless America and Britain.
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Im not gonna get into the political debate, rights wrongs etc we will see what
happens. But in respect of how a country treats its poor, weak, sick I honestly think that if
a rich first world country cannot do this effectively, what hope is there for the third world countries.
I think that in respect of the NHS the UK has got this right, every working person contributes
to it and we all use it. There are problems but as MPW says it more to do with resources and
management, but having said that the UK governments always seems to pull millions
out of the hat for other things at the blink of an eye. So I'm not even sure that is correct.
I was chatting to someone a while back with the same thyroid problem as I had, the comparisons
were stark. I went to my GP got blood tests back within a week. Was put on meds following my
GP's conversation with the specialist at the hospital, then got a hospital appointment 6 weeks
later. Then after that I had hospital appointments every 8 - 12 weeks at hospital for 3 years,
with follow up appointments with my GP in between times. All free and the meds were free also
as exempt from prescription charges.
My US counterpart went to doctor, was told that due to no insurance they would have to wait
possibly 3 months maybe longer for hospital appointment at a free hospital of some kind.
They received no treatment for a month as their own doctor was not sure what kind of treatment
to give. Then after a month their own doctor having done research, started them on something
hoping it was the right thing. But as they were not a specialist they did not know for certain.
I would rather keep the NHS any day.
happens. But in respect of how a country treats its poor, weak, sick I honestly think that if
a rich first world country cannot do this effectively, what hope is there for the third world countries.
I think that in respect of the NHS the UK has got this right, every working person contributes
to it and we all use it. There are problems but as MPW says it more to do with resources and
management, but having said that the UK governments always seems to pull millions
out of the hat for other things at the blink of an eye. So I'm not even sure that is correct.
I was chatting to someone a while back with the same thyroid problem as I had, the comparisons
were stark. I went to my GP got blood tests back within a week. Was put on meds following my
GP's conversation with the specialist at the hospital, then got a hospital appointment 6 weeks
later. Then after that I had hospital appointments every 8 - 12 weeks at hospital for 3 years,
with follow up appointments with my GP in between times. All free and the meds were free also
as exempt from prescription charges.
My US counterpart went to doctor, was told that due to no insurance they would have to wait
possibly 3 months maybe longer for hospital appointment at a free hospital of some kind.
They received no treatment for a month as their own doctor was not sure what kind of treatment
to give. Then after a month their own doctor having done research, started them on something
hoping it was the right thing. But as they were not a specialist they did not know for certain.
I would rather keep the NHS any day.
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Most Americans don't understand the difference between an entitlement program and a welfare program. Both are funded through taxation but one is earned (e.g. entitlement program) and the other is not (e.g. welfare program). It's an important distinction.
You raise the interesting point that the NHS is an entitlement program that was extended to welfare recipients. So it's a hybrid really. The NHS is an entitlement system for workers (e.g. legal resident workers and foreigners working in the UK either as an employee or self-employed person and also students following a course lasting at least six months) but also available for free to legal residents which makes it simultaneously part of Britain's welfare state.
We can't call it welfare because only the part extended to legal non-working residents can be classified as such and that portion covers substantially fewer people than the entitlement end.
You raise the interesting point that the NHS is an entitlement program that was extended to welfare recipients. So it's a hybrid really. The NHS is an entitlement system for workers (e.g. legal resident workers and foreigners working in the UK either as an employee or self-employed person and also students following a course lasting at least six months) but also available for free to legal residents which makes it simultaneously part of Britain's welfare state.
We can't call it welfare because only the part extended to legal non-working residents can be classified as such and that portion covers substantially fewer people than the entitlement end.
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Actually I believe it is free for all with the workforce funding it...now there lies the problem. I don't believe that anyone would be against those who can't work (for whatever reason) benefiting from it. What I think most people are "up in arms" about is those who are not British citizens using it - abusing it, coming here short term, not contributing towards it or putting anything else into our economy. Health tourists who come here for free treatment or non-Brits who don't take out health insurance. Yet mention the word "immigrant" and you are immediately branded "racist", actually I am a "fairist".
The whole purpose of the foundation of the NHS was for every British citizen to benefit from free health care whatever their status, whatever their income and whatever their circumstance. It was an ideal that is being allowed to be abused by bad management.
I don't pretend to know how our NHS compares with "Obamacare" I only know that the former is loved by the British but the latter appears to be hated by (right wing?) Americans. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I said I don't know. I only see what I read here and on other internet sites.
The whole purpose of the foundation of the NHS was for every British citizen to benefit from free health care whatever their status, whatever their income and whatever their circumstance. It was an ideal that is being allowed to be abused by bad management.
I don't pretend to know how our NHS compares with "Obamacare" I only know that the former is loved by the British but the latter appears to be hated by (right wing?) Americans. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I said I don't know. I only see what I read here and on other internet sites.
by understanding a small part of politics,
for example
nhs, unemployment, econmy, oap, schools ,goernments workers, ie police, army, teachers , doctors, etc all need money to run.
tax runs most countries, all these subjects are run and controlled by mps or senators. etc
but is a job to them, how they stand up for the people, that vote for them is a different issue. etc
and how they spend this money is a different and major issue. lol
for example
nhs, unemployment, econmy, oap, schools ,goernments workers, ie police, army, teachers , doctors, etc all need money to run.
tax runs most countries, all these subjects are run and controlled by mps or senators. etc
but is a job to them, how they stand up for the people, that vote for them is a different issue. etc
and how they spend this money is a different and major issue. lol
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It's not free for all. Non-legal residents not in Britain don't qualify for it and neither do Britons living outside the European Economic Area. Tourists (e.g. overseas visitors) normally have to pay for it. Outside such examples; however, it is as you say.
That said, Britain has a problem with uninsured and underinsured foreigners coming in and using their healthcare system and then leaving without paying. But, many foreigners who can pay also go to Britain for the purpose of using the NHS. Both types strain the NHS creating longer waits for services that Britons require.
As for Obamacare, it added a little over $100 billion a year in expenses to the U.S. federal budget. To put that in perspective; in 2014, U.S. total revenue was $3.02 trillion while U.S. total expenditures were $3.50 trillion for a year-end deficit of $483 billion.
If the Purple Health Plan, which U.S. economists (and five Nobel Laureates) devised, had been enacted instead of the PPACA (e.g. "Obamacare"): the cost would have been only $10 billion in 2014.
That said, Britain has a problem with uninsured and underinsured foreigners coming in and using their healthcare system and then leaving without paying. But, many foreigners who can pay also go to Britain for the purpose of using the NHS. Both types strain the NHS creating longer waits for services that Britons require.
As for Obamacare, it added a little over $100 billion a year in expenses to the U.S. federal budget. To put that in perspective; in 2014, U.S. total revenue was $3.02 trillion while U.S. total expenditures were $3.50 trillion for a year-end deficit of $483 billion.
If the Purple Health Plan, which U.S. economists (and five Nobel Laureates) devised, had been enacted instead of the PPACA (e.g. "Obamacare"): the cost would have been only $10 billion in 2014.
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"A GANG ran a 'bank of terror' as they conned pensioners as old as 96 out of nearly half a million pounds to fund Islamic State, a court heard today."
Gang 'conned pensioners out of half a million pounds to fund IS' | UK | News | Daily Express
^ Be nice if the conservative party would rouse itself from its apathy to do something about these Muslim-related problems that just keep increasing over time in the UK.
Gang 'conned pensioners out of half a million pounds to fund IS' | UK | News | Daily Express
^ Be nice if the conservative party would rouse itself from its apathy to do something about these Muslim-related problems that just keep increasing over time in the UK.
Oh yes, there are Americans who have floated the idea of an American NHS since there was an NHS. Obamacare is such a resounding failure that certain forces in our country are saying "time to go for the whole enchilada." Whereas others want reform in the opposite direction, focused mainly on decentralization and competition.
It's a shame UKIP didn't do better. It seems you and I agree on that at least.
Of course! God Bless Britain and God Save the Queen!
So say we all!
It's a shame UKIP didn't do better. It seems you and I agree on that at least.
Of course! God Bless Britain and God Save the Queen!
So say we all!
God bless Marion 
. Her mother Marine supported health socialization but I'm not sure exactly what Marion's position is on healthcare. Do you know?
. Her mother Marine supported health socialization but I'm not sure exactly what Marion's position is on healthcare. Do you know?
If only we were each born in the 1910s or 1920s, because I probably would be crazy enough to kill 50 Germans to get to her and try and drag her across the Atlantic.
