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Absolutely, in Old and New Testament national Israel front and center of end times prophecy, no end times events even possible, absent the nation Israel and her enemies, including prophecies of Israel into the millennium. The scripture references are voluminous, too much to post, and that's what God gave us Google for.
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What prophecies? The Messiah already came. Again, this feels like another poll about the daily habits of gnomes. If the premise doesn't work because the reality doesn't exist, there is no "yes or no" answer. I can't tell you if gnomes brush their teeth, because there are no gnomes. I can't tell you if Israel will fulfill a future prophecy, because the prophecies given about it already happened long ago.
Let's look at this from an informed perspective.
There are scriptures that show specific Bible prophecies about an international regathering of the Jews in unbelief before the judgement of the tribulation.
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered. Ezekiel 20:34a
(vs.37,38) And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. ........And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojurn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel.
Zephaniah 1:14-18 is one of the most colorful descriptions of the "The Day Of The Lord" which we commonly call the tribulation.
Zephaniah 2:1-2 says there will be a world-wide regathering of Israel before the day of the Lord:
Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the Lord's anger come upon you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: Ezekiel 36:26
Behold, the days come saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the land to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith the Lord. Jeremiah 31:31,32
(v.33b) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Ezekiel 20:33-38 speaks of a regathering that must take place before the tribulation.
(Eze.20:34) "with fury poured out" KJV is a descriptive reference to the tribulation, Israel must be back in the land before the tribulation.
As it says in Eze.20:37,38 the tribulation will purge out the rebels, those that will not do God's will.
There are scriptures that show specific Bible prophecies about an international regathering of the Jews in unbelief before the judgement of the tribulation.
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered. Ezekiel 20:34a
(vs.37,38) And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. ........And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojurn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel.
Zephaniah 1:14-18 is one of the most colorful descriptions of the "The Day Of The Lord" which we commonly call the tribulation.
Zephaniah 2:1-2 says there will be a world-wide regathering of Israel before the day of the Lord:
Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the Lord's anger come upon you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: Ezekiel 36:26
Behold, the days come saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the land to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith the Lord. Jeremiah 31:31,32
(v.33b) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Ezekiel 20:33-38 speaks of a regathering that must take place before the tribulation.
(Eze.20:34) "with fury poured out" KJV is a descriptive reference to the tribulation, Israel must be back in the land before the tribulation.
As it says in Eze.20:37,38 the tribulation will purge out the rebels, those that will not do God's will.
B
Yes the prophecies for Israel have come to pass once already. But if you look at the context of the entire scripture, God always does things in 2s.
Abraham goes to sacrifice Issac (even though not completed, because God stopped him); God sends His son to die for us (even though He did not stop this, because He knew it needed to be done).
Moses leads God's nation out of the physical bondage of physical Egypt; Yeshua dies and takes away the bondage of sin (spiritual Egpyt)
At Mt. Sinai God gives His Torah; On the same day (hundreds of years later, after Yeshua's death); on pentacost God gives us access to the Holy Spirit.
The list can go on and on, it's throughout all of scripture.
Yeshua came once, and He will come a 2nd time.
Prophecies on Israel have happenned once, and they will happen again.
So I am agreeing with you, there will be a round 2 of the same prophecies with Israel. And I do believe those prophecies are slowly coming into reality.
Abraham goes to sacrifice Issac (even though not completed, because God stopped him); God sends His son to die for us (even though He did not stop this, because He knew it needed to be done).
Moses leads God's nation out of the physical bondage of physical Egypt; Yeshua dies and takes away the bondage of sin (spiritual Egpyt)
At Mt. Sinai God gives His Torah; On the same day (hundreds of years later, after Yeshua's death); on pentacost God gives us access to the Holy Spirit.
The list can go on and on, it's throughout all of scripture.
Yeshua came once, and He will come a 2nd time.
Prophecies on Israel have happenned once, and they will happen again.
So I am agreeing with you, there will be a round 2 of the same prophecies with Israel. And I do believe those prophecies are slowly coming into reality.
Piecemealing? (first clue you don't understand prophecy). The Bible is a book about God and His dealings with Israel.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people ......... (did you get that Lynn, Isaiah says ...his people... Israel is considered to be Gods people)......... . Isaiah 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people ......... (did you get that Lynn, Isaiah says ...his people... Israel is considered to be Gods people)......... . Isaiah 11:11
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Ezekiel 36 and 37.
Not only the crowd of Jews returning to their nation.
Is also interesting the reborn of rivers there recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S02RRTlWDPM
Not only the crowd of Jews returning to their nation.
Is also interesting the reborn of rivers there recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S02RRTlWDPM
There is a prophecy that hasn't been fulled yet about God putting all Israel back together. Judah represents the southern tribes that include Benjamin. Ephraim represents the other ten tribes that are still (to this day) scattered throughout the entire world. These is the remnant, and the saved, believing Gentiles of today, are classified as Ephraim.
Ezekiel 37:16-22
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
This coming together, by the power of God through His Son Jesus Christ, includes the representation of the pillars at the entrance of the temple that Salomon built. One pillar is named Jachin, and the other is named Boaz.
Jachin means "He will establish."
Boaz is spelled בעז representing "family is seen and nourished."
So these 2 pillars represent the plan of God through Christ Jesus in essence telling us to watch "God nourish and establish His family."
Ezekiel 37:16-22
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
This coming together, by the power of God through His Son Jesus Christ, includes the representation of the pillars at the entrance of the temple that Salomon built. One pillar is named Jachin, and the other is named Boaz.
Jachin means "He will establish."
Boaz is spelled בעז representing "family is seen and nourished."
So these 2 pillars represent the plan of God through Christ Jesus in essence telling us to watch "God nourish and establish His family."
Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Huggies!From Gen 12 to Malachi, The Gospels and Revelation...all about Israel.
(Is. 11:11-12 NASB) Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
(Ezek. 37:11-12, 14, 21-22, 25 NASB) “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel… [SUP]12[/SUP]I will bring you into the land of Israel… [SUP]14[/SUP]I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD… [SUP]21[/SUP]Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land [SUP]22[/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land… [SUP]25[/SUP]They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.
(Hos. 3:5 NASB) Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God [religious restoration] and David their king [political restoration]; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days.
(Zech. 10:8-10 NASB) “I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. [SUP]9[/SUP]“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. [SUP]10[/SUP]“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.
(Lk. 21:24 NLT) They [the Jews] will be brutally killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be conquered and trampled down by the Gentiles UNTIL the age of the Gentiles comes to an end.
(Is. 11:11-12 NASB) Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
(Ezek. 37:11-12, 14, 21-22, 25 NASB) “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel… [SUP]12[/SUP]I will bring you into the land of Israel… [SUP]14[/SUP]I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken and done it,” declares the LORD… [SUP]21[/SUP]Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land [SUP]22[/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land… [SUP]25[/SUP]They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.
(Hos. 3:5 NASB) Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God [religious restoration] and David their king [political restoration]; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days.
(Zech. 10:8-10 NASB) “I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. [SUP]9[/SUP]“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. [SUP]10[/SUP]“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.
(Lk. 21:24 NLT) They [the Jews] will be brutally killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be conquered and trampled down by the Gentiles UNTIL the age of the Gentiles comes to an end.
K
I have deep compassion on them, but just because they suffered does not make them God's people. Read John 1:11-13. Jesus came to His own people, but His own people would not receive Him. So God switched to adoption. To those born not of natural decent, or a husband’s will, but born of God. It no longer matters if you are Jew or gentile, everyone must do the same to become a child of God. Why else would He say that even though it is now Gentiles that are grafted in the vine, the Jews have even more of a right to be grafted back into the vine? Read Romans 11:11-24
Apart from faith in their Messiah they remain alienated. But this does not mean God's plans have failed rather He will be dealing with them more directly in the Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble) when the Church (comprised of believing Jews and Gentiles) is removed.
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
(Rom 11:1-2)
It's interesting they are called his people while still in unbelief.
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
(Rom 11:1-2)
It's interesting they are called his people while still in unbelief.
K
God says in His word who His people are, it's not up to me. According to His word I observe that it no longer matters if you are physically related to Abraham. But remember his three promises?...
1 I will make you into a great nation (a nation of all nations, too numerous to count)
2 ALL peopleS on earth will be blessed through you (through Abraham came Christ, and with Christ came adoption open to every nationality)
3 To your offspring I will give this land (He did give physical Israel the physical land, and He will give spiritual Israel the spiritual land (heaven)
Here there are no Greek or Jew, circumcised or noncircumcised, male or female, slave or free. (Colossians 3:11, Galatians 3:28).
1 I will make you into a great nation (a nation of all nations, too numerous to count)
2 ALL peopleS on earth will be blessed through you (through Abraham came Christ, and with Christ came adoption open to every nationality)
3 To your offspring I will give this land (He did give physical Israel the physical land, and He will give spiritual Israel the spiritual land (heaven)
Here there are no Greek or Jew, circumcised or noncircumcised, male or female, slave or free. (Colossians 3:11, Galatians 3:28).
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