The purpose of Christ

[JesusIsAll]

I forgot to say to you, Jeffie.

Pretty wild how you didn't even take time to make a sheep costume before you joined.
You just came in, full blown, huff and puff-blowing your house down wolf.

Would it have killed you to have at least wrapped yourself in a sheep pattern blanket before hand?

Behind the scenes, the name Jesus is a communist, Hellenistic plot or something, all of us lost Sunday devils subscribe to, despite all the Greek manuscripts. If you don't call the Lord Yamimoto Kawasaki or whatever, you're not in the club. They go around Yahweh this, Yahweh that, claim a lease on having the true name of God, the Torah written on their hearts, though none can recite the begats or even a fraction of the Torah, supposedly written on their hearts, while even unable to ascertain if two of the vowels in Yahweh are correct. It's almost comedic.

 

[Sirk]

Behind the scenes, the name Jesus is a communist, Hellenistic plot or something, all of us lost Sunday devils subscribe to, despite all the Greek manuscripts. If you don't have call the Lord Yamimoto Kawasaki or whatever, you're not in the club. They go around Yahweh this, Yahweh that, claim a lease on having the true name of God, the Torah written on their hearts, though none can recite the begats or even a fraction of the Torah, supposedly written on their hearts, while even unable to ascertain if two of the vowels in Yahweh are correct. It's almost comedic.

It is pretty funny. It's like a caricature of a caricature........of a caricature. It gets pretty ugly after the first rendering and then it's all downhill from there.

 

[Elin]

We're saying following Torah is not wrong to do. At least I'm stating that, and I will defend the fact that Torah is not wrong to follow. We're also stating that we do not believe the Torah is voided and obsolete, but along with that we still have not once stated that the Torah is salvation, we've stated repeatedly that Yeshua is the way to salvation.

Faith in Jesus Christ is salvation.

The obedience of faith to the NT commands, beginning with Mt 22:37-40, is the means of sanctification
by the Holy Spirit.

Agreed?

 

[Elin]

14Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God,

and also with him that is not here with us this day:

Writing your own Scripture now?

 

[Biblelogic01]

Your personal reasoning and logic do not supersede NT teaching.


In the New Covenant that is a function of the Holy Spirit.


Ya' know. . .if you understood the NT, you wouldn't have all these irrelevant questions.


Straw man. . .

So if sin is lawlessness (stated in the NT), and if we walk in the Spirit we would be walking in lawlessness, which means the Spirit would guide in walking in the law, not under the law, but in. again 1+1=2

 

[Elin]

Pretty strong words, for somebody who has no idea how to dye those Hebrew roots. Instead of coming to the foot of the cross, one can only suppose you came to the foot of a cable access channel and Buffalo Bill Hawkins. Little girls play house, Hebrew roots play Jew. It's inexplicable what any of you have to do with the faith and righteousness, which is only of Jesus Christ.

Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy. . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

Faith in Jesus Christ is salvation.

The obedience of faith to the NT commands, beginning with Mt 22:37-40, is the means of sanctification
by the Holy Spirit.

Agreed?

There is no Holy Spirit in all the dead, religious posts.

 

[Sirk]

There is no Holy Spirit in all the dead, religious posts.

Boy you can say that again....

 

[Elin]

I forgot to say to you, Jeffie.

Pretty wild how you didn't even take time to make a sheep costume before you joined.
You just came in, full blown, huff and puff-blowing your house down wolf.

Would it have killed you to have at least wrapped yourself in a sheep pattern blanket before hand?

Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy (translate: plum' keeled over in laughter).

 

[JesusIsAll]

Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy. . .

Elduh Floyd be needin to call sum confabulashun, down et da Kingdom Hall, 'o tha 144,000, wit dem Hebroo rooters 'n da saints 'o da holy granola, blazin ekoomenikals 'o pan fry mercy!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Boy you can say that again....

Thank you! There is no Holy Spirit in all the dead, religious posts.

 

[Sirk]

Thank you! There is no Holy Spirit in all the dead, religious posts.

Boy....you can say that again.

What at were we talking about again? Was it about being raised by wolves?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Boy....you can say that again.

What at were we talking about again? Was it about being raised by wolves?

Some modern day, lingering stench, of mythological proportions, anyway.

 

[Rhythm801]

Just-Me, you put forth the same argument many have made, that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. That represents, in my opinion, a misunderstanding of His Gospel, and what He said in the Sermon on the Mount in particular.

Matthew 5, NASB
17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."​

This argument has a wide-ranging list of components, one being the claim the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still. That simply is not true. Another is the one we see daily on this board, repeatedly ad nauseum, that being the need to perform works in conjunction with faith in Christ to "truly" be saved. Again, rubbish.

These assumptions are grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of Jesus. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament.

Romans 10
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Ephesians 2
14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.​

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It is the Greek kataluo (kataluo), literally meaning "to loosen down." The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans in Matthew 26:61 and 27:40, as well as in Acts 6:14.

It is also used in reference to the dissolving of the human body at death in 2 Corinthians 5:1. The word can carry the extended meaning of "to overthrow," i.e., "to render vain, deprive of success." In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of "to invalidate."

In Matthew 5:17, "abolish" is set against the word pleroo (pleroo) -- to "fulfill." Christ "... did not come to abolish, but to fulfill." Jesus was not in opposition to the law. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to it's conclusion. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself.

Luke 24
44 Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."​

Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a "curse" as seen in Galatians 3:10, 13. In this sense, and only in this sense, does the Law's divine design continue to have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If the Mosaic Law bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it has not been fulfilled at all, in contradiction to Jesus' own words, and He therefore failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today.

Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ -- and thus remains as a binding legal system for today -- then it is not just partially binding, but is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one "jot or tittle" would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose.

Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. It cannot be said that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the rest of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the Law.

I have to believe also that the ten comandments that Yahweh wrote on stone is still prevalent for today. (maybe it's not the ten suggestions) In fact this is the passage of scripture that comes to mind as well. It is out of Jeremiah This is out of the Tanakh Jeremiah 31:31

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; [32] not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the Lord [33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; [34] and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying. ‘Know the Lord’; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
This passage to me says that his laws are written on our hearts and minds. It is part of our conscious.

What do you think to tell people that have taken life that it's ok and don't worry about it? After all that is the "Old Testament law" ? Now that's some kind of forgiveness that would be. And yet nowadays we don't go killing off a murderer as it 's not accepted norm. An eye for an eye gets you prison time if you got caught.

 

[oldthennew]

Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy (translate: plum' keeled over in laughter).

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sister, elin,

while you are plumed-keeled-over in mercy, mercy, mercy, laughter,
perhaps you could find it in your heart to pray for your brother.





while you are ke

 

[Elin]

Behind the scenes, the name Jesus is a communist, Hellenistic plot or something, all of us lost Sunday devils subscribe to, despite all the Greek manuscripts. If you don't call the Lord Yamimoto Kawasaki or whatever, you're not in the club. They go around Yahweh this, Yahweh that, claim a lease on having the true name of God, the Torah written on their hearts, though none can recite the begats or even a fraction of the Torah, supposedly written on their hearts, while even unable to ascertain if two of the vowels in Yahweh are correct. It's almost comedic.

< spews coffee all over keyboard > Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy. . .

"Yamimota Kawasaki". . .HELP!

"unable to ascertain if two of the vowels in Yahweh are correct". . .

You cost me a clean-up job! (if ya' get muh meanin').

 

[prove-all]

Where is this Levite I am not to forsake?

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

do you know who the physical tribes, decendents of Isreal the person is.

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).

josephs name changed to Isreal,he passed name on to grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim

all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and the glory, belong sole to Israel.

“And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were
born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into
Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine”

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads;
and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth” (verses 14-16).

“Joseph is a fruitful bough,even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches [margin,
daughters] run over the wall” (verse 22).

“[T]he Almighty … shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that
lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: The blessings of thy father have prevailed
above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be
on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren”

The promise of a future great nation and a company of
nations, together great for multitude, rich in national material
prosperity,fruits of the ground, possessing the “gates” of the Earth’s other nations,
spread north s e w, applies to these lads and the two tribes which sprang from them.

nothing about septer promise of one seed or grace-only physical nations,multitudes in midst of earth

Jews are from Israel(only one tribe)and not called Isreal in the bible
first time jews are metioned in the bible they are going to war with Isreal

Wherever you see the name “Israel,” or “house of Israel,” or “Samaria,”
“Jacob,” or “Rachel,” or “Ephraim” and "Manasseh" used in prophecy, remember this:
It never refers to the Jews, but to Israel

For truly, the name “Israel” was named on the sons of Joseph! (Genesis 48:16)
the "house of Israel or nation - Jacob, Isreal, samaria, Ephraim and Manasseh

Wherever they are, the Bible calls them by the national name Israel.
To the world, their identity today is lost.

But, in biblical prophecy, it is they—not the Jews—who are called Israel!
the house or tribe of Judah” Jacob - Judah, or the Jews,Jerusalem

Each tribe occupied its own land, or district.

The Levites became the priestly tribe, mingling throughout the other tribes
having no inheritance in the land and no separate territory (except for cities) of their own.

To offset this, however, the children of Joseph were divided into two tribes
Ephraim and Manasseh, thus leaving 12 distinct and separate tribes, each occupying its own territory
or province, in addition to the Levites who were sprinkled among the tribes.

All these years the birthright and the scepter remained within the one nation—the birthright
of course, being handed down through the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, the scepter with Judah.

​

The Scriptures plainly tell us that Israel was to lose its identity,
its language, its religion, its land, and its name.

Isreal became slaves, then lost to the world, by deforce, becoming the lost 10 tribes,

notice Isaiah 8:17: “And I will wait upon the Lord,
that hideth his face from the house of Jacob?….”

 

[Elin]

It is pretty funny. It's like a caricature of a caricature........of a caricature. It gets pretty ugly after the first rendering and then it's all downhill from there.

Sure makes for good comic relief. . .

 

[Elin]

So if sin is lawlessness (stated in the NT), and if we walk in the Spirit we would be walking in lawlessness, which means the Spirit would guide in walking in the law, not under the law, but in. again 1+1=2

Yes, that would be the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; Gal 6:2; Jas 2:8)
which is the law of God (1Co 9:20-21).

 

[JesusIsAll]

< spews coffee all over keyboard > Mercy. . .mercy. . .mercy. . .

"Yamimota Kawasaki". . .HELP!

"unable to ascertain if two of the vowels in Yahweh are correct". . .

You cost me a clean-up job! (if ya' get muh meanin').

Betta losin yo coffee, Sista, den yo coookies, mercy dat be smellin liken ta sumbody pavin da hard road!