Could signs of worldwide revival be a deception?

[yaright]

No sir...we do not immediately die if we sin

We have an advocate with the Father of Lights...with whom there is no variableness or shadow of turning

If we say we have no sin, we are lying...but God is faithful and true and if we confess our sin, He is quick to forgive but nowhere in the Bible are we told that we fall in and out of salvation...that is a lie from the devil who loves to twist that which is true and gives hope

You speak of a person who heard the word of God, repented and followed in His teaching; as Jesus instructed; "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me." I believe you missed something in my witness which is not about a person who hears the word of God and repents. If you are not able to see the distinction, I am sorry.

 

[ember]

You speak of a person who heard the word of God, repented and followed in His teaching; as Jesus instructed; "Repent, pick up your cross and follow Me." I believe you missed something in my witness which is not about a person who hears the word of God and repents. If you are not able to see the distinction, I am sorry.

I missed a distinction?

but how did I do otherwise?

 

[just-me]

Anything that is contrary to God-given instructions throughout the entire Bible is "antichrist," and not necessarily a particular individual. Negating certain parts of God's word using a "New Covenant" as an excuse for negation is "antichrist."

It can be a false entity of distortion. We see that in man's government consistently. It could be what the United Nations compromise on, or a particular agenda that comes in the last days such a the "mark of the beast." It can come in the form of manipulation such as the "affordable heath care act" that isn't very affordable. This can all be seen as subtle deception, and manipulation against what God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ represents which is "His name." Believe in His name first, and be a discerner of spirits. I think this "discerning of spirits" is very important in these last days. It's the beast, the dragon, Satan, the abominable persuasion that causes desolation.

Be it known, the "mark of the beast" will be implemented by force, not by choice, but deceptive "warm fuzzies" will come first. Watch for phases like "going forward" when we are going backwards. Watch for wanting and speaking of "change" with little or no explanation. The demonstrations ending in fire and killing is the propagation of "change." The "change" as we are "going forward" is causing the police in every city to back away and let chaos reign. We have, and continue to forsake God's Torah. This gives way for deception and destruction. Know how this all started. It's our calling.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Anything that is contrary to God-given instructions throughout the entire Bible is "antichrist," and not necessarily a particular individual.

2 John 1.7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

2 JOhn 2.18-22
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that [SUP][d][/SUP]it would be shown that they all are not of us. [SUP]20 [/SUP][SUP][e][/SUP]But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and [SUP][f][/SUP]because no lie is of the truth. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the [SUP][g][/SUP]Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4.1-3:
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [SUP]2 [/SUP]By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; [SUP]3 [/SUP]and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

John clearly tells us antichrist can be a spirit and/or an individual, not just an thought or idea. It is also not "contrary to God-given instructions throughout the entire Bible" It is clearly defined as a spirit or person which states Jesus did not come in the flesh.

Furthermore, discerning of spirits is a gift found in 1 Cor 12 and is not something every believer has or will be given, it is a gift given as the Spirit wills. This gift allow you to see and hear into the spiritual realm.

Every Believer is given spiritual discernment, but not discerning of spirits.

 

[popeye]

The prosperity gospel is much more than emphasis. They believe poverty is a curse, not just a state of being. They believe people can command wealth, which is insane, and that they are called to dominate, which is Satans approach to life, not Jesus.

Jesus called us to be servants of each other, not to hold over people power and authority. In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus asked his deciples to stay with him and stay awake as friends, but they failed.

Now heresy is suggesting abundance is anything to do with the Lord, but just a reflection of power and efficiency. Often the rich and powerful have been corrupt, violent and evil, and those who desire truth, integrity and righteousness are excluded and thrown out. Does this then mean they have abandoned God or rather you cannot serve wealth and God together, which you seem to be suggesting. Now not suprisingly this fake gospel abandons righteousness and sin and emphasis wealth and influence, which has always been the mark of compromise and failure.

Why is the gospel of wealth is good spreading so fast? Because those who are poor want above anything else a chance for themselves and their families. But the lie simply that this is happening other than the preacher who is getting money in the belief that his congregation will reap in return. Now in a booming economy this works, but it is a lie that this is anything other than exploitation of economics. But many are as blind to reality and evil, which is why they do not know the Lord.

Does this then mean they have abandoned God or rather you cannot serve wealth and God together, which you seem to be suggesting.

Riches can be a snare,therefore the rich are beyond salvation
Marriage/the opposite sex can be a snare,therefore if I am married,I serve my spouse and not God.
Success/power can be a snare,therefore any job promotion is evil and of the devil

Under YOUR model, these things can not co-exist with a believer, unless God is abandoned
Prosperity is relative.
Your model is in fact erroneous through your broad labeling.

Beyond rediculous.

Now not suprisingly this fake gospel abandons righteousness and sin and emphasis wealth and influence, which has always been the mark of compromise and failure.

Too harsh,but partially true...maybe.

But the lie simply that this is happening other than the preacher who is getting money in the belief that his congregation will reap in return.

There is a spiritual law ,'sowing and reaping'. This law CAME FROM GOD. So it is him you need to rail on. Especially since you do not have a clue to MOTIVE,which is the ingrediant i will say to you "good luck on discerning motives of those you never met".

If you must blast the erroneous prosperity movement,try not to do it ERRONEOUSLY.

Are they in error? Yep. Are they the devil? Nope

 

[Stephen63]

The dead in Christ will rise first. AMEN I take that as one of the very last signs. Look up, for our redemption draws very close. The tribulation comes first to separate the sheep from the goats, and the wheat from the tares. That involves a sorting, and a sifting.

If you would notice in the last 5-7 years there's already been a separation in the church between the sheep & the goats. The amount of churches that are splitting are increasing. Though it works both ways, there's more sheep moving out than goats. Often I hear of someone on CC looking for a good church & most of their stories are "since our new pastor took over....."

It also seems to be a trend for church members to join the mega-churches. More programs, more activities, etc.

I was recently invited to a church & their "sales pitch" was a $4,000,000 gymnasium built for the community. The clincher.... members get FREE use of the gym. Then there was the free Wed. meal before church. Imagine what this 2,000 member church could do IF they were kingdom minded.

 

[just-me]

If you would notice in the last 5-7 years there's already been a separation in the church between the sheep & the goats. The amount of churches that are splitting are increasing. Though it works both ways, there's more sheep moving out than goats. Often I hear of someone on CC looking for a good church & most of their stories are "since our new pastor took over....."

It also seems to be a trend for church members to join the mega-churches. More programs, more activities, etc.

I was recently invited to a church & their "sales pitch" was a $4,000,000 gymnasium built for the community. The clincher.... members get FREE use of the gym. Then there was the free Wed. meal before church. Imagine what this 2,000 member church could do IF they were kingdom minded.

The church has lost it's true ministry. If a person studies more deeply of the "doctrine of Balaam," this is exactly what has happened to the church. In my experience, through the last 30 years, this doctrine escalated when ministers began an all out revolt against God's law. It has power to resist the devil, for Jesus quoted it 3 times from Deuteronomy. With the law gone from the church, the door is wide open for the adversary to have his way without any hindrance. The church no longer has the power to be "more than conquerers" because they serve a different Jesus other than the truth who is the real Jesus.

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

 

[Stephen63]

The rhetorical question then is, "Is Jesus coming back more than once?" Here is my thought. He is coming back once, and we will meet Him in the air. Right after that, we will descend with Him to earth and fight with Him in Megiddo. Then this will be the beginning of His reign on earth for 1000 years after that battle is won. I read nowhere in scripture that we will go to heaven with Him at this point. Just my thoughts.

Well, if you look at your idea , it's twice, 'cuz Jesus comes 1st for the saints, THEN with the saints in the end. That's TWO.

 

[Stephen63]

Scripture to consider that we (if this is referring to believers as saints) who are still alive will see these things, and with all this is;

"I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" Daniel 7:21

Revelation 13:4-7
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

If we are gone before all this happens, then we can believe in a pretrib rapture. There won't be anyone here for the beast to make war with if we are all gone. I think a "pretrib rapture theory" causes the church to be somewhat apathetic.

Tribulation saints.
Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, [SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Why would God send an angel if nobody wasn't gonna be saved then? Perhaps because the rapture has taken place, & all the preaching saints are gone.

 

[just-me]

Tribulation saints.
Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, [SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Why would God send an angel if nobody wasn't gonna be saved then? Perhaps because the rapture has taken place, & all the preaching saints are gone.

To me that speaks more of a post tribulation coming of Christ. I go with Matthew 24:29. That gets rid of a lot of speculation. But the signs that Jesus said would happen in the last days (written in that chapter) are surely here. One can almost take verse by verse, and say that they have seen it first hand. In any event, Jesus is coming back soon, I think.

 

[Jeff_56]

you just forgot i guess to read the chapter.

[h=1] Revelation 14:1-12Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] 14 Then I looked, and there was the Lamb standing on Mount Tziyon; and with him were 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I heard a sound from heaven like the sound of rushing waters and like the sound of pealing thunder; the sound I heard was also like that of harpists playing on their harps. [SUP]3 [/SUP]They were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living beings and the elders, and no one could learn the song except the 144,000 who have been ransomed from the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins; they follow the Lamb wherever he goes; they have been ransomed from among humanity as firstfruits for God and the Lamb; [SUP]5 [/SUP]on their lips no lie was found — they are without defect.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Next I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven with everlasting Good News to proclaim to those living on the earth — to every nation, tribe, language and people. [SUP]7 [/SUP]In a loud voice he said,
“Fear God, give him glory,
for the hour has come when he will pass judgment!
Worship the One who made heaven and earth,
the sea and the springs of water!”

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Another angel, a second one, followed, saying,

“She has fallen! She has fallen!
Bavel the Great![SUP][a][/SUP]
She made all the nations drink the wine
of God’s fury caused by her whoring!”

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Another angel, a third one, followed them and said in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he will indeed drink the wine of God’s fury poured undiluted into the cup of his rage. He will be tormented by fire and sulfur before the holy angels and before the Lamb, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and the smoke from their tormenting goes up forever and ever. They have no rest, day or night, those who worship the beast and its image and those who receive the mark of its name.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]This is when perseverance is needed on the part of God’s people, those who observe his commands and exercise Yeshua’s faithfulness.
[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]

1. Revelation 14:8 Isaiah 21:9

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved.

Tribulation saints.
Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, [SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Why would God send an angel if nobody wasn't gonna be saved then? Perhaps because the rapture has taken place, & all the preaching saints are gone.

 

[Stephen63]

I've read articles about men that are in the pulpit at this very moment and don't even believe. It would be within Anitchrists ability to put people in place in the churches that are actually anitchrists, and very easy to decieve their congregations since the majority of people don't even know what their bibles say.

There's a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle than most christians know about. For example, did you know that freemasons for years have been infiltrating churches, first getting on the boards, then behind the pulpits? What's their plan? Who are they working for? Why the deception & secrecy about it? I can tell you this..... God didn't send them.

 

[Stephen63]

Boy!? I'll take that as a compliment youngin. And not all Israel is of Israel

Romans 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

That's showing a difference between believing Jews and non believing Jews...young un.

Let's not forget the Ashkenazi Jews in Israel, that are NOT Israel. The Rothschilds, for example, are Ashkenazi Jews. Do the research..... follow the money trail..... it's all there.

 

[Stephen63]

So I will ask what someone else did, Does Jesus come back 3x then?

This is what pre-trib doctrine seems to imply.

He came as a baby wrapped in swaddling clothes
He returns during the rapture
He returns for the Day of the Lord

This is not found in the scriptures.

This is what post-trib seems to imply:

Jesus comes as a baby
He returns at the end of the tribulation to get the saints
He returns again with the saints for battle against the wicked.

Looks like we're three to three..... but neither is correct. When Jesus comes in the clouds to receive the church, He doesn't come down to earth..... He stays in the heavens (sky).

So, now we're down to two vs two..... Now, why would God take His church through the worst judgement the world has ever seen if that judgement isn't for us?

 

[just-me]

There's a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle than most christians know about. For example, did you know that freemasons for years have been infiltrating churches, first getting on the boards, then behind the pulpits? What's their plan? Who are they working for? Why the deception & secrecy about it? I can tell you this..... God didn't send them.

That's for sure. We had to counter sue a deacon who was friends with the chairman of the board. They were both masons. We were hung out to dry by the entire church because of this. We tried it God's way, and they said, do what you have to do. We had 2 years litigation, and were spared by the power of God. The law in the state was changed, and we were given the right to purchase our home.

1 Corinthians 6:1-6
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

I had no choice with 3 small children. I tried to find a place to live, that we could afford, and the entire church refused to help, or lift a finger. I disobeyed God's word, but by His grace, I was able to overcome. It was very bad. That was 30 years ago. It's even worse today.

 

[Stephen63]

That's for sure. We had to counter sue a deacon who was friends with the chairman of the board. They were both masons. We were hung out to dry by the entire church because of this. We tried it God's way, and they said, do what you have to do. We had 2 years litigation, and were spared by the power of God. The law in the state was changed, and we were given the right to purchase our home.

1 Corinthians 6:1-6
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

I had no choice with 3 small children. I tried to find a place to live, that we could afford, and the entire church refused to help, or lift a finger. I disobeyed God's word, but by His grace, I was able to overcome. It was very bad. That was 30 years ago. It's even worse today.

If they had much control in the traditional church 30 years ago, How much control do they have in the mega churches today?

 

[Jeff_56]

........

I had no choice with 3 small children. I tried to find a place to live, that we could afford, and the entire church refused to help, or lift a finger. I disobeyed God's word, but by His grace, I was able to overcome. It was very bad. That was 30 years ago. It's even worse today.

i went through a similar trial, but didn't sue or counter-sue - other 'believers' said i should, but i just didn't see it as an act of obedience or faith in GOD'S WORD for me at the time , just left it in the hands of yahweh by grace and faith in yahshua ... yahweh miraculously provided (more than once).... and if he had not, then like the lions den or the furnace, we still would not deny our faith.... and would accept whatever yahweh purposed joyfully and in union and in peace with him in yahshua.... would and did.

not just one church, but as a pastor warned me ahead of time(an independent house church pastor) - 'they' the congregation of churches, were already long time opposed to Jesus and the gospel and so what did a little one expect >> ....?? >>>>
Psalm 35 - Of David. Contend, LORD, with those who - Bible Gateway


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Of David. Contend, LORD, with those who contend with me; fight against those
who fight against me. ... assailants gathered against me without my knowledge.

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Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody. ... 3 For, lo,
they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my ...

 

[Joshua_Generation]

If they had much control in the traditional church 30 years ago, How much control do they have in the mega churches today?

Not all mega churches are the spawn of evil you project them to be. The church we attend could be defined as mega church. We are 100% debt free and most of the monetary resources gathered, go to our outreaches.

For example, our food outreach gives to the individual family whether they are a member or not and do not charge them anything. We also supply many smaller denominational and non denominational churches in the entire state, so that their food ministries stay full. We do not ask a dime from them and all food is paid for from giving in our church.

We support missionaries all over the world and here at home. Our missionaries are paid a set amount each month from the missions fund and pays 100% of their medical/dental insurance premiums. Any member in our "mega church" can give anything to any missionary in addition to what the church pays them.

We have mobile trucks that go into neighborhoods to share the gospel with kids and to give food away during those services.
This is in addition to our inner-city bus ministry for all ages, that sends out 100 buses each Sunday morning and Wednesday night.

We have a 2 year Bible School that trains those called to ministry.

All these things are debt free. If we "need to" build, we do not build all at once, we build in phases and keep it debt free.

Not all "mega churches" are evil and actually are missions minded and not attraction based.

 

[just-me]

Not all mega churches are the spawn of evil you project them to be. The church we attend could be defined as mega church. We are 100% debt free and most of the monetary resources gathered, go to our outreaches.

For example, our food outreach gives to the individual family whether they are a member or not and do not charge them anything. We also supply many smaller denominational and non denominational churches in the entire state, so that their food ministries stay full. We do not ask a dime from them and all food is paid for from giving in our church.

We support missionaries all over the world and here at home. Our missionaries are paid a set amount each month from the missions fund and pays 100% of their medical/dental insurance premiums. Any member in our "mega church" can give anything to any missionary in addition to what the church pays them.

We have mobile trucks that go into neighborhoods to share the gospel with kids and to give food away during those services.
This is in addition to our inner-city bus ministry for all ages, that sends out 100 buses each Sunday morning and Wednesday night.

We have a 2 year Bible School that trains those called to ministry.

All these things are debt free. If we "need to" build, we do not build all at once, we build in phases and keep it debt free.

Not all "mega churches" are evil and actually are missions minded and not attraction based.

It all depends on what is ministered as the true Gospel. Works alone do no make for righteousness, but that isn't saying that good works is wrong. The Gospel is that faith comes first in it's true ministered form, and then the incentive of good works by faith is accepted by Christ. Then one also must understand that faith without works is dead. If the church presents a vain faith, they probably are presenting something that is more attractive to worldly way of what is appealing to the carnal mind, and then calling it faith.

Revelation 3:14-20
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Matthew 7:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[just-me]

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Luke 21:7-11
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." Matthew 24:7