Is the story of Adam, Eve, the Garden of Eden and the snake to be taken as literell?

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Jay3009

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Is the story of Adam and Eve to be taken as truth or a parable?
 
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Tintin

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Parables are also truth. They're earthly stories with heavenly meanings.
The real question: Is the story of Adam and Eve meant to be taken as historical truth?
Heck, yes!
It's rather disturbing how many Christians take it as truthful myth or allegory or put other spins on it. In fact, the whole of Genesis 1-11 is historical truth and should be recognised as such.
 

crossnote

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Jesus took it literal so err, I had better..

But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
(Mar 10:6-9)

For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
(Mar 13:19)
 
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tribesman

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Jay3009, you are starting a lot of threads in a short period of time and not much partaking in the discussions of same. Flooding tendency. Flooding is against the forum rules. Mind the netiquette.
 
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Yep, and Noah fitted all those beasties (* in twos and in sevens) and their months of food onto that "ark".
Nonsense. Impossible.

Ancient tribal Hebrews stole the myth from the Summerians after the Tigress and the Euphrates had experienced a major flood - and had every reason to believe that all animals would fit -
because they were clearly unaware of the existence of kangaroos and polar bears and emus and alpacas and the vast majority of the world's wildlife.


Genesis 7:2-3 and Genesis 6:19-20

  • Two (Genesis 6:19-20) "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.
  • Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."
  • Seven (Genesis 7:2-3) "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;
  • also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth."


  • Noah allegedly entered the ark in the 600th year of his life, on the 17th day of the 2nd month (Genesis 7:11-13).Noah left the ark on the 27th day of the 2nd month of the following year (Genesis 8:14-15).

  1. Therefore, assuming a lunar calendar of 360 days, Noah was on the ark for approximately 370 days.

    Can you imagine how much feed all those elephants and bears and wolves and wombats and birds and insects could eat in that time ?
    And the vast diversity of just what they'd eat ??

Some might think this is off-topic - but if we cannot believe the Noah story, why should we accept Adam and Eve ?
 
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atwhatcost

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Is the story of Adam and Eve to be taken as truth or a parable?
Adam, Eve, and Garden are all true.

Snake? Not a snake. A serpent. It had legs and then didn't, so I'm thinking more lizardy than snakey. And, not really entirely reptiley, since it's root is connected to the OT word for magic. It talked, so I suspect it's some how related to demonic. There's just not enough to grab onto to know one way or another other than historic, thus real.
 
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atwhatcost

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Yep, and Noah fitted all those beasties (* in twos and in sevens) and their months of food onto that "ark".
Nonsense. Impossible.

Ancient tribal Hebrews stole the myth from the Summerians after the Tigress and the Euphrates had experienced a major flood - and had every reason to believe that all animals would fit -
because they were clearly unaware of the existence of kangaroos and polar bears and emus and alpacas and the vast majority of the world's wildlife.


Genesis 7:2-3 and Genesis 6:19-20

  • Two (Genesis 6:19-20) "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.
  • Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."
  • Seven (Genesis 7:2-3) "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;
  • also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth."


  • Noah allegedly entered the ark in the 600th year of his life, on the 17th day of the 2nd month (Genesis 7:11-13).Noah left the ark on the 27th day of the 2nd month of the following year (Genesis 8:14-15).

  1. Therefore, assuming a lunar calendar of 360 days, Noah was on the ark for approximately 370 days.

    Can you imagine how much feed all those elephants and bears and wolves and wombats and birds and insects could eat in that time ?
    And the vast diversity of just what they'd eat ??

Some might think this is off-topic - but if we cannot believe the Noah story, why should we accept Adam and Eve ?
Actually, that's nonsense. Half the creatures on this planet or water dwellers. No real need for an ark to escape the environment they were already accustomed to. Just because you haven't bothered doing the stats yourself, but buying what some used-car salesman is selling you, doesn't mean you understand.

And Sumerian myth? You got that from some article online, didn't you? You might want to read the Sumerian's version, because what you're buying is kin to the Nation Enquirer for hard-hitting journalism.

Stop teaching myths you don't even know yet.
 
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Tintin

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Yep, and Noah fitted all those beasties (* in twos and in sevens) and their months of food onto that "ark".
Nonsense. Impossible.

Ancient tribal Hebrews stole the myth from the Summerians after the Tigress and the Euphrates had experienced a major flood - and had every reason to believe that all animals would fit -
because they were clearly unaware of the existence of kangaroos and polar bears and emus and alpacas and the vast majority of the world's wildlife.


Genesis 7:2-3 and Genesis 6:19-20

  • Two (Genesis 6:19-20) "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.
  • Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."
  • Seven (Genesis 7:2-3) "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;
  • also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth."


  • Noah allegedly entered the ark in the 600th year of his life, on the 17th day of the 2nd month (Genesis 7:11-13).Noah left the ark on the 27th day of the 2nd month of the following year (Genesis 8:14-15).

  1. Therefore, assuming a lunar calendar of 360 days, Noah was on the ark for approximately 370 days.

    Can you imagine how much feed all those elephants and bears and wolves and wombats and birds and insects could eat in that time ?
    And the vast diversity of just what they'd eat ??

Some might think this is off-topic - but if we cannot believe the Noah story, why should we accept Adam and Eve ?
There are plenty of resources to answer your questions, you just won't pay them any heed because they're articles and books written by biblical creationists. First class idiots, of which I am one. :)
 
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There are plenty of resources to answer your questions, you just won't pay them any heed because they're articles and books written by biblical creationists. First class idiots, of which I am one. :)
amen! ME ALSO!....



remember that those deceived by the rcc heresy, even just 'accepting' any part of it,
are completely given over to their delusions
and cannot know or see the kingdom of heaven......
 
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atwhatcost

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Yep, and Noah fitted all those beasties (* in twos and in sevens) and their months of food onto that "ark".
Nonsense. Impossible.

Ancient tribal Hebrews stole the myth from the Summerians after the Tigress and the Euphrates had experienced a major flood - and had every reason to believe that all animals would fit -
because they were clearly unaware of the existence of kangaroos and polar bears and emus and alpacas and the vast majority of the world's wildlife.


Genesis 7:2-3 and Genesis 6:19-20

  • Two (Genesis 6:19-20) "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.
  • Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."
  • Seven (Genesis 7:2-3) "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;
  • also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the earth."


  • Noah allegedly entered the ark in the 600th year of his life, on the 17th day of the 2nd month (Genesis 7:11-13).Noah left the ark on the 27th day of the 2nd month of the following year (Genesis 8:14-15).

  1. Therefore, assuming a lunar calendar of 360 days, Noah was on the ark for approximately 370 days.

    Can you imagine how much feed all those elephants and bears and wolves and wombats and birds and insects could eat in that time ?
    And the vast diversity of just what they'd eat ??

Some might think this is off-topic - but if we cannot believe the Noah story, why should we accept Adam and Eve ?
Actually, that's nonsense. Half the creatures on this planet or water dwellers. No real need for an ark to escape the environment they were already accustomed to. Just because you haven't bothered doing the stats yourself, but buying what some used-car salesman is selling you, doesn't mean you understand.

And Sumerian myth? You got that from some article online, didn't you? You might want to read the Sumerian's version, because what you're buying is kin to the Nation Enquirer for hard-hitting journalism.

Stop teaching myths you don't even know yet.
 
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Tintin

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Actually, that's nonsense. Half the creatures on this planet or water dwellers. No real need for an ark to escape the environment they were already accustomed to. Just because you haven't bothered doing the stats yourself, but buying what some used-car salesman is selling you, doesn't mean you understand.

And Sumerian myth? You got that from some article online, didn't you? You might want to read the Sumerian's version, because what you're buying is kin to the Nation Enquirer for hard-hitting journalism.

Stop teaching myths you don't even know yet.
Lynn. You've already posted this message.
 
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stop teaching myths you don't even know yet.
Hang on lady, that's a bit bossy :D I'm not 'teaching'. I'm expressing a point of view. Do I need your permission for that ?



Anyway, this obviously has the potential for a great deal of fun - although I suspect we've all been here before.

I like the water-dweller bit. Tell me, with all that rain, was the water predominantly fresh or salty - because even a slight change in salinity can annihilate many species ?

But OK, I'll scratch the crocodiles and hippos and whales and water-buffalo (who no doubt could paddle for many months -and eat .... what ?).
Tote up all the other land creatures from the four corners of the globe in twos and sevens and their food - for a year and a bit !

C'mon !
 
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Tintin

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Hang on lady, that's a bit bossy :D I'm not 'teaching'. I'm expressing a point of view. Do I need your permission for that ?



Anyway, this obviously has the potential for a great deal of fun - although I suspect we've all been here before.

I like the water-dweller bit. Tell me, with all that rain, was the water predominantly fresh or salty - because even a slight change in salinity can annihilate many species ?

But OK, I'll scratch the crocodiles and hippos and whales and water-buffalo (who no doubt could paddle for many months -and eat .... what ?).
Tote up all the other land creatures from the four corners of the globe in twos and sevens and their food - for a year and a bit !

C'mon !
The continental drift would have had to happen during the Flood. Before the Flood and it would have killed most, if not all, land-dwelling life on our great planet. After the Flood, same thing. That solves a big 'problem right there'. Continental drift, around 4,500 years ago - during the great Flood.
 

MarcR

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Is the story of Adam and Eve to be taken as truth or a parable?
I believe so; except that we may properly understand the serpent to be a figure of Satan.
 
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atwhatcost

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Lynn. You've already posted this message.
Whoops. That was the glitch I came back to when I stepped away. Sorry 'bout that. (Dumb dishes. Why'd you make me do that. lol)
 
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Tintin

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Whoops. That was the glitch I came back to when I stepped away. Sorry 'bout that. (Dumb dishes. Why'd you make me do that. lol)
No worries, mate. No worries.
 
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The continental drift would have had to happen during the Flood. Before the Flood and it would have killed most, if not all, land-dwelling life on our great planet. After the Flood, same thing. That solves a big 'problem right there'. Continental drift, around 4,500 years ago - during the great Flood.
continental drift

noun
The theory that the earth's continents move gradually over the surface of the planet on a substratum of magma.
The present-day configuration of the continents is thought to be the result of the fragmentation of a single landmass, Pangaea, that existed 200 million years ago. See also plate tectonics



 
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Tintin

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continental drift

noun
Tthe theory that the earth's continents move gradually over the surface of the planet on a substratum of magma.
The present-day configuration of the continents is thought to be the result of the fragmentation of a single landmass, Pangaea, that existed 200 million years ago. See also plate tectonics



Derp. Of course the dictionary is going to hold to an evolutionary worldview. When the majority believe something, it doesn't automatically make it truth.