The Role of the Woman

[ChristianUk13]

What about the woman is more than a wife, a lover, mother, a worker, she is intelligent too.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Until the male punishment model, that now constitutes marriage law in Western societies, is reformed; men will increasingly not marry women because it reduces them to a state of near legal powerless and carries the threat of devastating life-long consequences which are easily avoidable by ceasing to marry women and have children with them.

As for premarital sex, men who engage in it do so with "Christian" and non-Christian young women who choose sex with no commitment, no strings, no responsibility. Obviously, women who engage in fornication are exactly as immoral as men who do.

This isn't a 'man is bad woman is good' scenario as you suggest. Blame yourselves for the own immorality you choose to engage in. Interaction always involves two (or more) people and by the way is not always sexual. The birth rate is also in decline.

Let's just turn this around and say women are using the government to exploit men and then having sex with them when men refuse to be exploited. Perhaps they should act like a Christian woman should.

Really, this is a women are primarily the ones responsible for transforming the body of marriage and divorce law into a punishing anti-male body of law and then having sex with men anyways when they reject that punishing anti-male body of law (to avoid being legally deprived of their liberty and the devastating consequences the body of divorce law posits to the rest of their lives).

The truth is that though divorce laws vary from state to state: all states allow "no fault" divorce proceedings. Since at least 1985, no-fault divorce has been available in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia (see here).

And the present body of marriage and divorce law "doesn't go both ways." It favors females.

Men have a human right not to enter into marriage if they do not want to. Furthermore, they have a biblical right to remain single (as long as they do not have sexual relations with other people).

They can choose not to "taste" you if they so wish. They can choose not to marry you if they so wish. And because of the liability you've strung over their head, that's exactly what they're choosing to do in ever increasing numbers.

And though godly women divorce at a materially reduced rate as non-godly women, the divorce statistics for godly women (genuine Christian women committed to a local church) hover at about twenty percent presently. So if you're fortunate enough to actually find a truly godly woman (and not a marginal one at church for the divorce statistic doubles for that demographic and then rises from there for non-Christian women), the risk is still one out of five and when you include separations well... it doubles.

Of course they arent getting married.Why would they? Sex with no commitment,no strings,no responsibility. Sounds like a great deal. Unfortunately many "Christian" young men feel the same way. No fault divorce is not legal in all states. And doesnt it go both ways? A man can do the same right? If you have poor taste in choosing women then divorce will be the result. If you choose a Godly wife this wouldnt happen now would it? They still interact with women...Thanks for making my point. Men dont buy free cows and women and finding fewer men willing to commit and take responsibility and act like a Christian man should. Other than no fault which laws are you talking about? Again,if you marry a Godly wife you wouldnt have these issues...

 

[ChristianUk13]

He's not misinterpreting, Zoii. I also thought you were focusing on sex and AgeofKnowledge is correct with what he shared believing sex was the point of your post. Let's start over, share and learn from one another.

Here's what Zo said: "I'm definitely not any expert only matters of sex but I see both partners having responsibilities. I know enough about sex to know a lot of men have a lot of work to do in being good sexual partners."

Zo is 14 years of age and she was speaking in general. I suggest you be very careful about the words you use to someone her age, I didn't particularly like the way ageofknowledge said 'sexual immorality' in his response to Zo. One can be an intelligent person and have knowledge such as about the ways of the world without that person having sex. How dare any person call another sexually immoral, for that matter. I believe Zo was saying that men must respect women in every area of the woman's life, including the bedroom as an equal partner. At one time, a man could have sex with his wife and that wouldn't be rape (1990 in England). Thanks heavens, society has smartened itself up over these latter decades.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

We can talk until we're blue in the face but until that body of marriage and divorce law is reformed, nothing's going to change. The trends are going to continue. Heterosexual marriage is progressively trending toward extinction more with each new generation and the non-immigrant birth rate is in decline (and with male birth control pills presently in phase III clinical trials well...).

No-one in their right mind wants equality. We are all different and not equal. I agree with you. Men and women are different, we were created differently and our roles are different. Feminists want to beat down men and say they want to be equal but it is nonsense. Men cannot give birth and will not carry a baby in their tummy. Men cannot breastfeed. Why do some people always want to reject their nature? Men are more logical, more decisive, physically stronger and are leaders. Women are more caring, and more emotional.

 

[ChristianUk13]

The Role of the Woman


The Woman Is a Helper

1. God made it a man’s world, and Eve was created to be his helping companion (Gen 2:18-25).
2. Therefore, a woman should not be looking for her glory in life, but rather for her husband’s.
3. She should not be looking to find her own fulfillment apart from her husband’s, but in his!
4. There is no such thing as a helpmeet – God made a helper appropriate, fit, meet, or suitable
5. for Adam. This distinction is important, so women cannot escape the obvious – be a helper!
6. Remember that the woman was made for the man, not the other way around; though a man
7. may do many things for his wife, yet the primary relationship should be upheld (I Cor 11:9).
8. The order of creation is important, for it indicates her subordinate role in life (I Tim 2:11-13).
9. There are four ways a woman can help a man – praise, support, comfort, defend (Ec 4:9-12).
10. Abigail, one of the most desirable women in the Bible, understood helping (I Sam 25:39-42).
11. Though without formal office in the church, they can be very useful helpers (Rom 16:1-2).
12. Therefore, women should plan, prepare, and perform as helpers to their husbands’ lives.
13. Girls must be taught this role for their future; wives must rise each day to fulfill this role.

The Woman Is a Subject

1. Because of Eve’s folly with the devil, she was demoted to subjection to Adam, which God
2. declares to be the subordination of her desires to his desires and his rule over her (Gen 3:16).
3. God’s order of authority in life is God, Christ, the man, and then the woman (I Cor 11:3).
4. Her duty to be silent in subjection is based on her failure in the Garden (I Timothy 2:11-14).
5. God clearly defined a wife’s relationship as one of reverent subjection in fear, in which role
6. she exalts a meek and quiet spirit over all the outward adorning of other women (I Pet 3:1-6).
7. She is to submit to her husband in everything short of sinning, and she is to do this as unto
8. the Lord, and because it is fit in the Lord (Ephesians 5:22-24,33; Colossians 3:18).
9. No matter what the world does to wedding vows, a wife is to obey her husband (Titus 2:5).
10. Therefore, women are to be modest, shamefaced, meek, and quiet (I Tim 2:9-10; I Pet 3:3-4)
11. When she chafes or rebels against this role, she becomes odious and unbearable to humanity,
12. and especially her husband (Pr 12:4; 19:13; 21:9,19; 25:24; 27:15-16; 30:21-23).
13. Subjection is no more demeaning or onerous than children being subject to their parents,
14. servants being subject to their masters, and citizens being subject to their political rulers.
15. Every husband is just as bound to submit to his parents, his master, and his government.
16. Girls must be taught this role for their future; wives must rise each day to fulfill this role.

The Woman Is a Follower

1. As a submissive helper, the woman is clearly the follower of the man, who leads her in life.
2. Paul described marriage as a brother leading about a sister, which is a good thing (I Cor 9:5).
3. She is to have a meek and quiet spirit, which precludes contention (Pr 27:15-16; I Pet 3:3-4).
4. When she is confused by teaching in an assembly, she follows her husband (I Cor 14:34-35).
5. When Abraham moved to unknown places, Sarah went with him as his submissive helper.
6. When Noah built a big boat in the backyard, Mrs. Noah got in it with him, as his follower.
7. Should a woman take the name of her husband? By all means! Look at Eve, who was first
8. called Adam (Gen 5:1-2)! Only later did he give her the personal name of Eve (Gen 3:20).
9. Should a woman leave her family for her husband? Yes! Look at Rebecca (Gen 24:54-67)!
10. When any relationship has too many chiefs and not enough Indians, there will be trouble.
11. A godly woman will follow her husband and always direct her children to follow their father.
12. However, a woman never follows her husband into sin (I Sam 25:19; Acts 5:29; I Pet 3:6).

The Woman Is a Lover

1. The book of Song of Solomon is a love story of a very aggressive and erotic woman, which
2. is both an example of a virtuous Christian wife and the love of Jesus Christ by His saints.
3. The Bible is plain about a wife giving due benevolence to her husband, which is lovemaking
4. he desires and needs: when, where, how, and how often he wants it; she does not have the
5. rights, claim, or authority of her own body; he has the right to her body (I Corinthians 7:1-5).
6. A man’s safety from fornication and adultery is a loving and erotic wife, which requires her
7. to show some of the strange woman’s knowledge, skill, and creativity (Pr 5:19; Heb 13:4).
8. How did Abimelech know Isaac and Rebekah were married by sporting in a field (Ge 26:8)?
9. Sex is a very good thing; it should not be despised at all; it should just be limited to marriage.
10. Godly women dress modestly before all other men (Is 3:16-26; I Tim 2:9-10; I Peter 3:1-4).

The Woman Is a Mother

1. Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of our human race (Gen 3:20).
2. Consider the wise and loving blessing of the parents and family to Rebekah (Genesis 24:60).
3. Before thinking about her motherly duties, every woman must realize she is a wife first.
4. A woman that dotes on her children and not her husband is no woman at all: she will pay.
5. A godly woman knows that children she bears are her husband’s first, as every genealogy in
6. the Bible clearly indicates, and as Hagar, Bilhah, and Zilpah indicate (Pr 5:16-18; Ps 128:3).
7. However, a mother does love her children from the nursing stage to the adult stage with near
8. unconditional affection that makes them tender and only beloved in her sight (Prov 4:3).
9. God expects women to bear children and to love their children (I Timothy 5:14; Titus 2:4-5).
10. A barren womb, or a selfish husband, is a painful thing to a woman; and though a wife must
11. submit to her husband, even in this matter, he should be mercifully considerate (Pr 30:15-16).
12. It is a shame when choleric or otherwise untaught women take on an overbearing, critical,
13. suggesting role in the lives of their children, especially married, that drive them away.

The Woman Is a Domestic

1. A domestic is a household servant – we mean that a woman is the overseer of the home.
2. Husbands were charged with business and war away from home, but not wives (Deut 24:5).
3. The chief trait of a virtuous woman is her varied household and family duties (Pr 31:10-31).
4. Paul exalted her role as guide over domestic aspects of a family (I Tim 5:14; Titus 2:3-5).
5. The words, “keepers at home,” from Titus 2:5, are defined by comparing to I Timothy 5:13.

• These words do not mean she has to stay at home all the time, as even extremists admit.
• These words do not mean she cannot work outside the home, as Prov 31:10-31 shows.
• However, a husband may want his wife to stay at home, which then becomes her duty.
• These words condemn being an idle wanderer, busybody, and tattler (I Timothy 5:13).

The Woman Is a Worker

1. If the woman was created to be a helper, she is obviously a worker doing things (Gen 2:18).
2. The obvious and most important trait of the virtuous woman is hard work; and if the Bible is
3. true, then this character trait should be promoted to girls and sought by men (Prov 31:10-31).
4. This chapter deals the deathblow to that Catholic, Victorian, Dobson, or other perversion of
5. the truth that treats women like decorative ornaments having a life of leisure and recreation.
6. This chapter deals the deathblow to the women who stay at home and surf the Internet, etc.
7. The virtuous woman was active outside in real estate development and manufacturing.
8. Of course, it is the husband’s will that dictates if and when and how a woman works outside.
9. It is the curse of a nation when its daughters – young women – are idle (Ezekiel 16:49).

The Woman Is a Teacher

1. She does more than have sex, conceive, give birth, nurse, cook, clothe, dust, and do laundry.
2. Solomon, though having no wife close to his ability, included a mother’s rules (Pr 1:8; 6:20).
3. Lois and Eunice were two women who fulfilled their teaching role well (II Tim 1:5; 3:15).
4. Hannah had young Samuel worshipping the Lord around 5 years of age (I Samuel 1:28).
5. Abigail taught the man after God’s heart, and he appreciated the lesson (I Samuel 25:32-35).
6. Priscilla helped instruct mighty Apollos in the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24-28).
7. The aged women with experience and maturity should teach younger women (Titus 2:3-5).
8. Of course, a woman must increase efforts, if her husband is lazy, carnal, or unconverted.

The Woman Is an Heir

1. There is no sexual difference in Jesus Christ eternally, legally, vitally, practically, or finally;
2. there is only a difference in office and relationship while here on earth (Gal 3:28).
3. Husbands had better recognize it, remember it, and consider it well (Mal 2:10-16; I Pet 3:7).
4. Mary and other women, who were devoted to Jesus Christ, were superior to most of the men.
5. Anna and Dorcas were superior to many of the men by their servant spirits and spirituality.
6. As an heir, she must exalt her spirit over her body (Isaiah 3:16-26; I Tim 2:9-10; I Pet 3:3-4).
7. Every woman must have a personal relationship with God unaffected by her husband: it is
8. only by this relationship that she will have spiritual grace and strength to be a great woman

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The Woman Is a Glory

1. God’s greatest creation is not the Milky Way, the stars, our own sun and moon, the oceans,
2. mountain grandeur, flowing brooks, gentle breezes, the lion, the flamingo, or pretty flowers!
3. What in the world did Adam think after viewing all of creation and then meeting naked Eve!
4. The woman is the glorious object of desire and pleasure and pride of a man, as the man is the
5. comparable glory of God by his role of dominion in the world (I Cor 11:7 cp Esther 1:10-11).
6. The woman adds to her visible glory by adorning herself with long hair (I Corinthians 11:15).
7. A man is greatly blessed by God, when he finds one of these fantastic gifts (Pr 18:22; 19:14).A wise man will cherish and nurture his wife to make her the most glorifying wife possible

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Conclusion:

1. No matter what the world thinks or says, God has spoken; and like every other subjects, that settles it!
2. How can some of the happiest women be those with bad marriages or situations? Because they love the Lord their God with all their hearts, minds, souls, and strength, and they love their husbands also.
3. You can never protect yourself from emotional damage by reserving or withdrawing your love or
4. obedience; you protect yourself from emotional damage by trusting in the Lord entirely (Is 26:3-4).
5. Women should remember that subordinate role to their husbands as “unto the Lord” (Ephesians 5:22).
6. Fathers must keep these things in mind to provide husbands for his daughters that will make it easier.

http://www.letgodbetrue.com/pdf/role-of-the-woman.pdf

"The Woman Is a Lover

1. The book of Song of Solomon is a love story of a very aggressive and erotic woman, which
2. is both an example of a virtuous Christian wife and the love of Jesus Christ by His saints.
3. The Bible is plain about a wife giving due benevolence to her husband, which is lovemaking
4. he desires and needs: when, where, how, and how often he wants it; she does not have the
5. rights, claim, or authority of her own body; he has the right to her body (I Corinthians 7:1-5).
6. A man’s safety from fornication and adultery is a loving and erotic wife, which requires her
7. to show some of the strange woman’s knowledge, skill, and creativity (Pr 5:19; Heb 13:4).
8. How did Abimelech know Isaac and Rebekah were married by sporting in a field (Ge 26:8)?
9. Sex is a very good thing; it should not be despised at all; it should just be limited to marriage.
10. Godly women dress modestly before all other men (Is 3:16-26; I Tim 2:9-10; I Peter 3:1-4)."

The woman is not a sexual idol, a sexual play thing for the man's pleasure when he so feels like it. If a woman does not want sex but the man puts pressure on her, or has sex with her after the woman says NO, honey, not tonight. That is a criminal offence in the form of rape.

 

[kaylagrl]

Here's what Zo said: "I'm definitely not any expert only matters of sex but I see both partners having responsibilities. I know enough about sex to know a lot of men have a lot of work to do in being good sexual partners."

Zo is 14 years of age and she was speaking in general. I suggest you be very careful about the words you use to someone her age, I didn't particularly like the way ageofknowledge said 'sexual immorality' in his response to Zo. One can be an intelligent person and have knowledge such as about the ways of the world without that person having sex. How dare any person call another sexually immoral, for that matter. I believe Zo was saying that men must respect women in every area of the woman's life, including the bedroom as an equal partner. At one time, a man could have sex with his wife and that wouldn't be rape (1990 in England). Thanks heavens, society has smartened itself up over these latter decades.

Thank you very much for standing up for Zoii ! We need to be careful how we treat young Christians and the words we use. I appreciate your post.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Agreed. I've placed her on my ignore list permanently as I have zero interest in discussing such issues with a 14 year old. Legal adults only please. Thank you.

Zo is 14 years of age and she was speaking in general. I suggest you be very careful about the words you use to someone her age, I didn't particularly like the way ageofknowledge said 'sexual immorality' in his response to Zo.

 

[kaylagrl]

"The Woman Is a Lover

1. The book of Song of Solomon is a love story of a very aggressive and erotic woman, which
2. is both an example of a virtuous Christian wife and the love of Jesus Christ by His saints.
3. The Bible is plain about a wife giving due benevolence to her husband, which is lovemaking
4. he desires and needs: when, where, how, and how often he wants it; she does not have the
5. rights, claim, or authority of her own body; he has the right to her body (I Corinthians 7:1-5).
6. A man’s safety from fornication and adultery is a loving and erotic wife, which requires her
7. to show some of the strange woman’s knowledge, skill, and creativity (Pr 5:19; Heb 13:4).
8. How did Abimelech know Isaac and Rebekah were married by sporting in a field (Ge 26:8)?
9. Sex is a very good thing; it should not be despised at all; it should just be limited to marriage.
10. Godly women dress modestly before all other men (Is 3:16-26; I Tim 2:9-10; I Peter 3:1-4)."

The woman is not a sexual idol, a sexual play thing for the man's pleasure when he so feels like it. If a woman does not want sex but the man puts pressure on her, or has sex with her after the woman says NO, honey, not tonight. That is a criminal offence in the form of rape.

You are absolutely correct! Thanks again for posting.

 

[ChristianUk13]

I'm not taking anything back zoii. Everything I said was true and appropriate. But perhaps you misunderstood what I said so go reread what you posted and then my reply to it.

My points are:

1. It is not God's will nor design for people to be immoral. And, immoral behaviors posit both negative personal and negative societal consequences. Fornication is an example of a sinful immoral behavior. People who practice such behaviors can expect negative consequences to result.

2. It is not God's will nor design for Christians to entangle themselves in romantic/marriage relationships with immoral people even if the Christian themselves is celibate.

3. Mary's post has applicability for godly people who are not practicing immorality, not entangling others in webs of abuse and manipulation, etc...

Now this doesn't mean Mary's biblical understanding is perfect with respect to the value of and roles between men and women. Honestly, it's myopic and one-dimensional in my opinion. That said, there is a lot in her post that is applicable for godly women married to godly men.

As for the website, I'm not familiar with it or the organization behind it. Never heard of it before.

I agree with Zo; you should retract your statement or apologise. You have no right whatsoever to mention sexual immorality in your response to her!!! I suggest your English language skills need revising. There was no express, no allusion, no imply whatsoever to support you using 'sexual immorality' and aiming it at Zo.

 

[kaylagrl]

Agreed. I've placed her on my ignore list as I have zero interest in discussing this issue with a 14 year old. Legal adults only please. Thank you.

I really think you should have apologized to Zoii. You were quite harsh. JMO.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

She now has a permanent place on my ignore list. I will never read another word she writes nor ever respond to her again under any circumstances whatsoever. That wholly mitigates any potential future interaction. But I'm not apologizing for anything I've said in this thread. If you don't like what I've said and/or don't agree with it, then you can choose to put me on your ignore list. Simple. Moving along...

 

[ChristianUk13]

Equality and feminism are not the same thing.... the first wants to be treated correctly in a free country, in a free marriage, this is not the Middle East, this is life based upon the modern West, where women's identity, culture, and their needs are respected. Feminism is something altogether different.

 

[kaylagrl]

She now has a permanent place on my ignore list. I will never read another word she writes nor ever respond to her again under any circumstances whatsoever. That wholly mitigates any potential future interaction. But I'm not apologizing for anything I've said in this thread. If you don't like what I've said and/or don't agree with it, then you can choose to put me on your ignore list. Simple. Moving along...

We appreciate your Christ like spirit. You were in the wrong.You blasted a young lady struggling and learning about the Bible. Instead of using wisdom you said nasty,horrible things to this young lady. Then you refuse to apologize. You are exactly the type of male I am talking about. The fruit of your spirit,refusing to apologize,being nasty to her and now to me shows that you are Christian in name only. You can move along,and put me on that blocked list. You are rude beyond words and disrespectful. Grow up.

 

[ChristianUk13]

Marriage is in rapid decline along with birthrates, especially among young adults.

See: U.S. marriage rate hits new low and may continue to decline | Deseret News National

See: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

I wonder what percentage of Christian women walk into the voting booth and vote for more and more radical feminism.

Pretty soon only homosexuals will be getting married and babies will have to be produced in test tubes if these radical feminist anti-male leftist policies and resulting trends continue driving men in Western societies way from marriage and fatherhood en masse.

You may not like Mary's post, and yes it's myopic and one-dimensional, but I'd marry a woman like that and form a nuclear family with her and so would every male I know.

You feminists, I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole. I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period.

The wicked killed off the righteous in Noah's generation forcing God to initiate a hard reset. This "generation" will do it simply by driving away all the good men so only the immoral reproduce.

"I'll go to my grave single before I'll enter into a government legal contract that renders me powerless which you then nullify making me your government man-slave for potentially the rest of my natural life. THAT is NEVER going to happen. Go pound sand. Period."


Hmm, your ideas are so out of touch, so paranoid, so nonsensical, so wild, so 'out of this world' in not a good way. I think i'll leave it at that.

 

[ChristianUk13]

first off feminism is about equality marriage is in decline because we are in a fallen world because if people were to adhere to the Scriptures there would be more marriage but because we are falling as is this world that is not the case furthermore feminist argue pay equal rights and equal representation of women

On the contrary, feminism is not equality - feminism is more than equality. No, equality (and not feminism!) is about equal rights (equal - noun; equality, adjective ..as it describes), the right for women to be paid the same as another other person (including men) for the job they do, not because of the bra they wear!

 

[Olerica]

Equality and feminism are not the same thing.... the first wants to be treated correctly in a free country, in a free marriage, this is not the Middle East, this is life based upon the modern West, where women's identity, culture, and their needs are respected. Feminism is something altogether different.

I understand what you are saying, but respectfully, I don't agree on the whole. Feminism has been pulled to mean a whole scale of things - similarly to how Christianity has. Some think that being a Christian simply church attendance... and from there it's a whole scale... some Christians act rather militant and angry, some Christians act in a way that welcomes others to Christ compassionately.

Feminism in it's basic sense is what you are talking about when you use the word equality and define it as you have, but like all Christians can be painted with the same brush, Feminists can be too.

AgeofKnowledge, you scare me because your posts read of hatred towards women. I'm sure you have some admirable qualities, but what you present on this topic highlight none of them. Respectfully sir, is this the tone you want to convey as my (our) brother in the Lord?

 

[ChristianUk13]

If you think that's what feminism is then that's sad. Feminism is all about equality.

Actually, equality is equality and feminism is feminism. The law governs equality and equality just means treated the same. Feminism is pretty much female rule.

 

[ChristianUk13]

I am being serious because I want him to control and manage the household. However, there is a BIG difference between being dominate and domineering

Dominate = noun; domineering = adjective. There is no material difference between the two.

 

[ChristianUk13]

lol JFsurvivor.. sorry but that was kinda' funny

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Your denial and refusal to reform the body of law corrupted by anti-Christ socio-political movements only further enables the growing consequences resulting from it that subsequent generations will inherit. This makes you culpable (e.g. fancy word for guilty). Denouncing me for explaining it to you, in the way I've explained it to you, changes nothing. EOM.