Seeking Truth

[RussellJBenigno]

Which is why I made the distinction between the Living Word and the Written Word. The Holy is and will remain the Written Word of God. Why would you want to deny this? It makes no sense. Jesus Himself spoke that they testified of Him. The Holy Bible is far more than "just a book of ink and paper." Well, in my opinion only anyway.

We are in agreement. You are misunderstanding me. I base all that I am on scripture. I'm trying to make a point, which is what Jesus alluded to. "You study the scripture and think you have life...." The Pharisees did not look to the scripture to hear "Living Words". The text does not contain living words because the text is of this physical world. Remember the "Word of God" is "ALIVE" the text of ink and paper is not. Those who put their trust in the ink and paper like the Pharisees do not have life. It is when the Holy Spirit moves upon the text that we can hear the Word of God. If we have not the Holy Spirit then we read words have no power. Does this make it more clear?

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Ok, given this and your other comment, you had an agenda when you Authored this thread. Fine, most every one does.

I'll leave you to it.

Well of course there is an agenda. The agenda is to get people to understand that Jesus is the final revelation of all. That everything is wrapped up in what He taught. The answers don't lay in systematic theologies which mostly contradict what Jesus taught. A lot of resistance to what I teach comes from people who are using the systematic theologies as their source of truth. I have only one Truth, Jesus Christ. What Jesus taught sheds light on the OT as where as the NT [Epistles]. Systematic theologies have distorted the meanings of words in the Epistles and then went back and distorted the meanings of words in the Gospels. If people just read the Gospels as they are and relied on the Holy Spirit they would see something completely different. Seeking Truth then comes by hearing the Living Word Jesus the Christ and the Living Word as the scripture of ink and paper are made Alive.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

"I AM the Truth" - John 14:6

All truth is found in Christ: Who He is - what He spoke - and what He did.

This is the point of this thread.
However!
(2Pet 2:1 -3 [WMTH])
But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be teachers of falsehood among you also, who will cunningly introduce fatal divisions, disowning even the Sovereign Lord who has redeemed them, and bringing on themselves swift destruction. And in their immoral ways they will have many eager disciples, through whom religion will be brought into disrepute. Thirsting for riches, they will trade on you with their canting talk. From of old their judgement has been working itself out, and their destruction has not been slumbering.
(2Pet 2:12 -19 [WMTH])
But these men, like brute beasts, created (with their natural instincts) only to be captured or destroyed, are abusive in matters of which they are ignorant, and in their corruption will perish, being doomed to receive a requital for their guilt. They reckon it pleasure to feast daintily in broad daylight. They are spots and blemishes, while feeding luxuriously at their love-feasts, and banqueting with you. Their very eyes are full of adultery–being eyes which never cease from sin. These men set traps to catch unstedfast souls, their own hearts being well trained in greed. They are fore-doomed to God's curse!
Forsaking the straight road, they have gone astray, having eagerly followed in the steps of Balaam, the son of Beor, who was bent on securing the wages of unrighteousness. But he was rebuked for his transgression: a dumb ass spoke with a human voice and checked the madness of the Prophet. These people are wells without water, mists driven along by a storm, men for whom the dense darkness has been reserved. For, while they pour out their frivolous and arrogant talk, they use earthly cravings –every kind of immorality– as a bait to entrap men who are just escaping from the influence of those who live in error. And they promise them freedom, although they are themselves the slaves of what is corrupt. For a man is the slave of any one by whom he has been worsted in fight.

People like this are in our churches today.

 

[jaybird88]

But! Can we spot the deception? That's where the problem comes into play. There are many false teachings in the church today and many can't spot them because they equate them with scripture. A verse is twisted just enough to give it another meaning and is accepted as truth. Deception always rides on the back of truth. A con man can't con you if he does not present truth with the con.

if our heart is truely seeking the Lord we need not worry about the wicked using that deception against us. one of the psalms says this and this is how i understand it.
we should be guided by our faith and how it leads our heart. 50 or 100 people can follow something that is false, no matter how many jump in and follow, it will never make it the truth. in other words, if you feel as if you are in a minority of one and everyone tells you you are wrong, dont give in. our Lord is the only one that matters.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

if our heart is truely seeking the Lord we need not worry about the wicked using that deception against us. one of the psalms says this and this is how i understand it.
we should be guided by our faith and how it leads our heart. 50 or 100 people can follow something that is false, no matter how many jump in and follow, it will never make it the truth. in other words, if you feel as if you are in a minority of one and everyone tells you you are wrong, dont give in. our Lord is the only one that matters.

I agree, but for those of us who are not strong, it is detrimental to faith. I have seen lives destroyed by false doctrine. I have seen people become demon possessed by accepting certain false doctrines. While it is true that no matter how many people believe a falsehood it does not change truth, but never the less we are warned to watch out for it as I posted. I am standing as a watchman on the wall and calling out the warning. I am calling the modern church to repentance. [biblical repentance means "Turning back toward God".]

 

[jaybird88]

I agree, but for those of us who are not strong, it is detrimental to faith. I have seen lives destroyed by false doctrine. I have seen people become demon possessed by accepting certain false doctrines. While it is true that no matter how many people believe a falsehood it does not change truth, but never the less we are warned to watch out for it as I posted. I am standing as a watchman on the wall and calling out the warning. I am calling the modern church to repentance. [biblical repentance means "Turning back toward God".]

of you are referring to yourself as not strong then i am right with you. i get confused and mixed up all the time. i can proclaim all day that i will walk in the kingdom of heaven but it is our Lord who has the final say. i asked a preacher a question like this years ago "how do know my heart is seeking our Lord, i am doing things right, serving Him for His glory, etc, etc." and he gave me a good response. "if it worries you this much and troubles you this much then you have nothing to fear".

 

[RussellJBenigno]

of you are referring to yourself as not strong then i am right with you. i get confused and mixed up all the time. i can proclaim all day that i will walk in the kingdom of heaven but it is our Lord who has the final say. i asked a preacher a question like this years ago "how do know my heart is seeking our Lord, i am doing things right, serving Him for His glory, etc, etc." and he gave me a good response. "if it worries you this much and troubles you this much then you have nothing to fear".

Ha! Ha! "us" is a reference to an inclusive of all in the faith. I'm not worried for me, but the weak. If anyone thinks I see myself as weak then you have not read my posts. I am Apostolic and Prophetic a far cry from weak and I make no apologies for it. Jesus commanded us to cast out demons, heal the sick raise the dead, preach the Gospel in power, and to do greater miracles. I'm just waiting on the raising of the dead and greater miracles.

 

[jaybird88]

Ha! Ha! "us" is a reference to an inclusive of all in the faith. I'm not worried for me, but the weak. If anyone thinks I see myself as weak then you have not read my posts. I am Apostolic and Prophetic a far cry from weak and I make no apologies for it. Jesus commanded us to cast out demons, heal the sick raise the dead, preach the Gospel in power, and to do greater miracles. I'm just waiting on the raising of the dead and greater miracles.

then i wish i had your strength as i never feel that mine is ever good enough for our Lord.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

then i wish i had your strength as i never feel that mine is ever good enough for our Lord.

Its not about mine or your strength. His kingdom come His will be done. It is He who wills to do within us. Do I fall short, of course, I'm human. But He can't fail and my hope is in Him.
Let me paint a picture for you.
Below is a small sliver of the estimated Universe which contains Billions of Galaxies. It is estimated to be 13 billions light years in size.

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Below is a small slice of the Billions of Galaxies.

With in to Billions of Galaxies is our Galaxy the Milkyway. with Billions of Solar Systems.

With in the Milkyway are Billions of Solar Systems.
Ours has 9 planets.

We are just a speck of dust in the scheme of things
God holds all this in the palm of His hand. The scripture states God is Love.
Now try to imagine the Eminence Love from the picture I just gave you.
How Wonderful, How Great, How Loving is our God? WHO CANNOT FAIL US! Which means we will not fail!

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[jaybird88]

and beyond that i would say our universe is one in many within another system, and on and on. also if you go the other direction, molecules> adams> protons>quarks, . . . . it goes on and on, each one consisting of the same mathematics, ratios, biology, geometry, etc. 14 mile long accelarators costing like 40 billion and they still cant find the smallest particle, in my opinion it doesn't exist as everything is an infinite cycle of our Lord, or to see the beginning or end (biggest or smallest) would be as if to see the Lord face to face and causing us to turn inside out and explode or something.

I like your point about love. its a very commen theme in our bible and i thin it is something that is in dire need in our world.

 

[p_rehbein]

Well of course there is an agenda. The agenda is to get people to understand that Jesus is the final revelation of all. That everything is wrapped up in what He taught. The answers don't lay in systematic theologies which mostly contradict what Jesus taught. A lot of resistance to what I teach comes from people who are using the systematic theologies as their source of truth. I have only one Truth, Jesus Christ. What Jesus taught sheds light on the OT as where as the NT [Epistles]. Systematic theologies have distorted the meanings of words in the Epistles and then went back and distorted the meanings of words in the Gospels. If people just read the Gospels as they are and relied on the Holy Spirit they would see something completely different. Seeking Truth then comes by hearing the Living Word Jesus the Christ and the Living Word as the scripture of ink and paper are made Alive.

And this is where one has to be very careful. None of us, no matter how learned in Scripture we believe ourselves to be, is the FINAL AUTHORITY on all things Scriptural. Nor should we portray ourselves to be.

The truth is, all anyone does is put forth their personal belief/interpretation of Scripture. And, yes, every one of them profess that their belief/interpretation is the one that is Biblical.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

And this is where one has to be very careful. None of us, no matter how learned in Scripture we believe ourselves to be, is the FINAL AUTHORITY on all things Scriptural. Nor should we portray ourselves to be.

The truth is, all anyone does is put forth their personal belief/interpretation of Scripture. And, yes, every one of them profess that their belief/interpretation is the one that is Biblical.

And now that's where the "Power" of the Gospel comes into play with signs and wonders.
Now how do we accomplish that over the Internet?

 

[FancyNancy]

And now that's where the "Power" of the Gospel comes into play with signs and wonders.
Now how do we accomplish that over the Internet?

We speak the word of truth---there is great power in the word. I have led people to Christ over the internet, and have actually cast out demons over the internet. They don't like me much. LOL!

 

[RussellJBenigno]

We speak the word of truth---there is great power in the word. I have led people to Christ over the internet, and have actually cast out demons over the internet. They don't like me much. LOL!

Dear Nancy
Great! That's what I want to hear.
So have I, but I'm looking for a way to expand that to, "Words of Knowledge, Miracles, and Healing". I know the Gospel cannot be limited by the Internet, but the question is how to express it. How do we present the Kingdom of God as Jesus preached it.

I experimented with casting out demons over the Internet with some success, but its hard to access.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

And this is where one has to be very careful. None of us, no matter how learned in Scripture we believe ourselves to be, is the FINAL AUTHORITY on all things Scriptural. Nor should we portray ourselves to be.

The truth is, all anyone does is put forth their personal belief/interpretation of Scripture. And, yes, every one of them profess that their belief/interpretation is the one that is Biblical.

So if the Apostle Paul were here posting on this forum, what advice would you give him? What would make him any different than anyone else?

 

[RussellJBenigno]

I like your point about love. its a very commen theme in our bible and i thin it is something that is in dire need in our world.

The main problem is that people see the Love of God as a human would love. The scripture says,"God morned the fall of Lucifer and caused all of creation to morn also. The "Wickedness" of satan is beyond our imagination. The closest to this wickedness is the most scariest movie from our imagination. The wickedness of man comes nowhere close to satan, yet God morned his fall. That's "LOVE"! Real Love. We need to see this Love when speaking with others.

 

[FancyNancy]

Dear Nancy
Great! That's what I want to hear.
So have I, but I'm looking for a way to expand that to, "Words of Knowledge, Miracles, and Healing". I know the Gospel cannot be limited by the Internet, but the question is how to express it. How do we present the Kingdom of God as Jesus preached it.

We do it by reaching out in love to form a kind of relationship, whereby trust features prominently, and doors are opened that we walk through and begin to lead a person into the knowledge of truth.

I experimented with casting out demons over the Internet with some success, but its hard to access.

It's not worthy to experiment, but if the occasion presents itself, demons respond to the authority of Jesus Christ just as well over the internet as if we were dealing with it in person. Accessing is all about them. They do the confronting first and we do the discerning, and then they do the leaving.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

It's not worthy to experiment, but if the occasion presents itself, demons respond to the authority of Jesus Christ just as well over the internet as if we were dealing with it in person. Accessing is all about them. They do the confronting first and we do the discerning, and then they do the leaving.

The experimenting was on technique. I have cast out many demons in person. The challenge was how to do it over the net. I first had to have a knowledge of what I was dealing without the person knowing it. Then I had to have a way of dealing with it and not revealing what I was doing until the right moment. In my experience there are many people who manufacture false responses. In other words there are people in the deliverance ministry who convince people they have a demon when in reality they don't. Or the person convinces themselves they have a demon when they don't. I don't like "Dog and Pony show" people who are looking for attention. I'd rather accomplish deliverance without anyone knowing. So the technique has to be such that it does not create a false positive. Does this make sense?.

Let me give you an example. I was conversing with a woman who I suspected of having demonic problems. I created an image and implanted a command to the demon to name itself. The woman had no knowledge of what I did. After she opened the picture, and in sense opened the prayer command, I asked her what had happened. She told me exactly what I wanted to hear, because it was a response to the prayer command. She had no knowledge of what was happening, so there was no false positive. I sent another prayer image and she responded with relief, as though I were present. The demon was cast out over the net.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

and beyond that i would say our universe is one in many within another system, and on and on. also if you go the other direction, molecules> adams> protons>quarks, . . . . it goes on and on, each one consisting of the same mathematics, ratios, biology, geometry, etc. 14 mile long accelarators costing like 40 billion and they still cant find the smallest particle, in my opinion it doesn't exist as everything is an infinite cycle of our Lord, or to see the beginning or end (biggest or smallest) would be as if to see the Lord face to face and causing us to turn inside out and explode or something.

I wanted to tell you I follow all you are speaking about and I am awed by these things. Our God is so cool!
No we will not explode or turn inside out. However it says,"When we see Him we will be like Him". Talk about awesome!

 

[RussellJBenigno]

The reason I started this thread was because in my own life I came to the revelation of Christ as the only source of Truth. After about 35yrs of ministry I was stuck in a spiritual limbo. I had my own church for about 5yrs and was a Associate Pastor at another church for 5yrs. I finally walked away from all of it. There was to much conflict and contention. Then God told me to throw away everything I was taught and start again. I was afraid because my whole world was built on everything I had learned. Now God was telling me to throw it away. He said,"Do you trust me to lead you?". I said, "Yes". He said," Then throw it away and I will show you things that are not taught by men. My Holy Spirit will teach you what you need to know". In short, all the man made doctrines began to clash with the scripture. I was given a chose to believe what I was reading or hold onto the man made doctrines.

Modern Christians have substituted the Truth of God for man made doctrines. Doctrines which clearly contradict the Word of God. People can't see the contradictions because the lies are woven in with truth. A con man can't con you unless part of what he is saying is true. Many man made doctrines have verses within them, but those verses are manipulated. They are manipulated by adding or subtracting meaning which is not there. Or the manipulation is done by connecting unrelated verses in an out of context meaning. I joke about this by giving two verses. "Judas went out and hung himself" and "Go thou and do like wise". This is church of the hanging noose and they can't seem to keep members . Yet! Many churches today are doing the same thing and their members can't see it. I know because I was there once. I believed all the lies because they were loosely backed by the bible. Use your head by yielding to the Holy Spirit and don't follow the crowd.