Creflo Dollar's Jet

[VCO]

There is an aspect of sanctification not well know by many, that, at the time of salvation, one is sanctified, meaning "set apart" as unto God, that sanctification is also a position, a state, of being a new creature, set apart by God,

Sanctification is God’s will for us (1 Thessalonians 4:3). The word sanctificationis related to the word saint; both words have to do with holiness. To “sanctify” something is to set it apart for special use; to “sanctify” a person is to make him holy.

Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.

Read more:What is sanctification? What is the definition of Christian sanctification?

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Hebrews 10:10 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

That is why I specified that I was talking about Sanctification of the body. YES positionally and spiritually we are sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ. However our body that has a sin nature, will spend a lifetime trying to catch up with our born again human spirit.

Philippians 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] but our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


To paraphrase that, it would read: "If you are genuinely SAVED, then learn to discipline your body, to Walk like you really are Saved."

 

[JesusIsAll]

Not so big if you have grown up spiritually under good, sound Bible Teaching.

Funny you should show up, making a similar comment, mine in another thread, about the "Bible scholars" around here, raised by wolves in the woods or something. Maybe a thread needs to be done that education isn't evil, that listening to what Spirit-filled Reformers through the ages have had to say, and good, Bible teaching pastors, some right there on peoples' radio and on the web, have to say, that this is for the wise. They certainly aren't getting scripture right, as is, often not even Sunday School theology!

 

[JesusIsAll]

That is why I specified that I was talking about Sanctification of the body. YES positionally and spiritually we are sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ. However our body that has a sin nature, will spend a lifetime trying to catch up with our born again human spirit.

Philippians 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] but our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


To paraphrase that, it would read: "If you are genuinely SAVED, then learn to discipline your body, to Walk like you really are Saved."

I was pretty sure that was preaching to the choir, was more exploiting your opening to point out what's a bugaboo about sanctification Catholics have exploited, this idea it's just a process which, of course, they must administer. You'd be surprised how many Christian don't know they're sanctified at the time of salvation.

 

[VCO]

Funny you should show up, making a similar comment, mine in another thread, about the "Bible scholars" around here, raised by wolves in the woods or something. Maybe a thread needs to be done that education isn't evil, that listening to what Spirit-filled Reformers through the ages have had to say, and good, Bible teaching pastors, some right there on peoples' radio and on the web, have to say, that this is for the wise. They certainly aren't getting scripture right, as is, often not even Sunday School theology!

My Favorite Christian Radio Station is Pilgrim Radio: https://www.pilgrimradio.com/Home.php#

 

[VCO]

I was pretty sure that was preaching to the choir, was more exploiting your opening to point out what's a bugaboo about sanctification Catholics have exploited, this idea it's just a process which, of course, they must administer. You'd be surprised how many Christian don't know they're sanctified at the time of salvation.

Believe it or not though, I do KNOW several born again Catholics, including two PRIESTS. So they are still getting a few saved. How do I know they are born again, I have inspected their FRUIT, and it certainly is good fruit.

 

[JesusIsAll]

My Favorite Christian Radio Station is Pilgrim Radio: https://www.pilgrimradio.com/Home.php#

Looks like a good station! I've lived many places and found at least a couple good Christian stations everywhere, with a few good teachers. The likes of J. Vernon Magee and Adrian Rogers, as well as some even older time pastors, can be found, with sound teaching, to listen to. Christian radio is a good thing, less charlatans than TV.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Believe it or not though, I do KNOW several born again Catholics, including two PRIESTS. So they are still getting a few saved. How do I know they are born again, I have inspected their FRUIT, and it certainly is good fruit.

Though not at all accepting Roman Catholicism (I reject any extra-Biblical teachings), there are saved Catholics, no doubt. I fear many are lost in a concept of being saved by the "church," but these claims by fringe whackjobs are woefully ignorant that a Catholic can't be saved. It all comes down to what we have done with the gospel of Jesus Christ, true repentance, believing in the Lord Jesus and receiving the Spirit. I've know both blessed Catholics of great spirits, as well as a couple who didn't know they are supposed to be Christians, have actually been told, when asking Catholics before if they're Christian, have heard, "No! I'm a Catholic!" I kid you not, one such a good friend some years ago. This same person said they never read the Bible, that the priests take care of that stuff. Mass here and there, and a confession when the sin closest gets cramped is all there is to it?

 

[VCO]

Though not at all accepting Roman Catholicism (I reject any extra-Biblical teachings), there are saved Catholics, no doubt. I fear many are lost in a concept of being saved by the "church," but these claims by fringe whackjobs are woefully ignorant that a Catholic can't be saved. It all comes down to what we have done with the gospel of Jesus Christ, true repentance, believing in the Lord Jesus and receiving the Spirit. I've know both blessed Catholics of great spirits, as well as a couple who didn't know they are supposed to be Christians, have actually been told, when asking Catholics before if they're Christian, have heard, "No! I'm a Catholic!" I kid you not, one such a good friend some years ago. This same person said they never read the Bible, that the priests take care of that stuff. Mass here and there, and a confession when the sin closest gets cramped is all there is to it?

There are Catholic Catholics; and there are Christian Catholics.

There are Lutheran Lutherans; and there are Christian Lutherans.

There are Adventist Adventists; and there are Christian Adventists.

There are Baptist Baptists; and there are Christian Baptists.

ETC.

The difference is one group is COMMITTED to the Denomination;
While the other group is COMMITTED to Jesus Christ as LORD.

 

[JesusIsAll]

There are Catholic Catholics; and there are Christian Catholics.

There are Lutheran Lutherans; and there are Christian Lutherans.

There are Adventist Adventists; and there are Christian Adventists.

There are Baptist Baptists; and there are Christian Baptists.

ETC.

The difference is one group is COMMITTED to the Denomination;
While the other group is COMMITTED to Jesus Christ as LORD.

There's the saying "profession is not possession." I believe at issue is many have never really repented, nor even really know what repentance is. One who doesn't come to God in agreement with God who the Creator is, versus who the creature is, who doesn't come in true agreement in their heart of their state, mourning their sin: that person has never been broken at the foot of the cross. Such a person has not yet changed their mind to agree with God. New wine is not placed in old vessels, and dead, cardboard religion avails nothing. Lord means Master. The old man has no Lord, at least not our Lord Jesus.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

 

[JesusIsAll]

.....[video=youtube;TAPhJM3bDc4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPhJM3bDc4[/video].....​

 

[ladylynn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcT7cKr3hCw

Just a short answer from Creflo D. about his jet. Suggest you listen till the end and then at least you will have it right from the guys mouth. Instead of posting what people say this guy says, you should listen to what he says then you can make a right place to form your own opinion. I find too often there are opinions posted and plastered all over the internet and sadly without finding out what has actually been done or said in perspective.

 

[VCO]

.....[video=youtube;TAPhJM3bDc4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPhJM3bDc4[/video].....​

Dynamite video, exposing the Word of Faith Movement, as a psuedo-Christian cult movement. THANK YOU for posting that video.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Dynamite video, exposing the Word of Faith Movement, as a psuedo-Christian cult movement. THANK YOU for posting that video.

That was really good, a precise explanation by the gentleman in that video. It's also what numerous articles verify about the teachings. It was funny. I posted a video of Joyce Meyer speaking, God's hands are tied until you unleash Him, the doctrine of the little gods, the doctrine of the Lord Jesus being stomped on in hell, etc. One of the Word of Faith apologists here said Joyce doesn't believe that, the clips were put together out of context: don't believe your lying eyes and ears.

You have educators stating Word of Faith believes what Joyce is clearly preaching, so I got the strangest notion the followers of these Word of Faith hucksters need to lie about them, got some shame going on there, over what everybody else is pointing out they preach. Nope. Can't be true, that lying YouTube video DOCUMENTATION. (WoFers would probably make some great defense attorneys, "Now, I know he said that, but he didn't really say that.") I still haven't figured what about the video of Creflo and Leroy is out of context, dancing on and in praise of piles on money. Go figure. But... but... hold on a minute...

... A mighty anointing is coming over me! Let us lift up and praise the holy mammon, oh glory!

[video=youtube;rpOJfu4-JIg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpOJfu4-JIg[/video]​

 

[Sirk]

While I agree that we cannot create our circumstances by speaking them into existence...I do believe that we can play a hand in shaping our circumstance by the way we think and speak. If that makes any sense. I'm not a WOF guy and these "pastors" like Creflo make my skin crawl....but the fact is that our words do have have power and we should learn to speak wisely about ourselves and the people around us. I listen to Osteen on the radio occasionally and I have never heard him say that if you give him money it will be increased to you. The few sermons I have heard of his relate to having a good thought life and good mental health....and he talks about Jesus and that the power is in Him.

 

[JesusIsAll]

While I agree that we cannot create our circumstances by speaking them into existence...I do believe that we can play a hand in shaping our circumstance by the way we think and speak. If that makes any sense. I'm not a WOF guy and these "pastors" like Creflo make my skin crawl....but the fact is that our words do have have power and we should learn to speak wisely about ourselves and the people around us. I listen to Osteen on the radio occasionally and I have never heard him say that if you give him money it will be increased to you. The few sermons I have heard of his relate to having a good thought life and good mental health....and he talks about Jesus and that the power is in Him.

Agree about words having power in a sense of the message, and I don't personally know enough about Osteen to comment. The few times I've watched him for a little while, he was psychobabbling, so that was all I desired to see. Partial gospels that tickle the ears damn, as they don't lead to repentance, and I do know Osteen doesn't believe in preaching what he views as bummer aspects of the gospel, like sin and hell. "I'm okay, you're okay" skirts square one of the gospel that, in fact, we're not okay: that's the fundamental problem! There is this, from John MacArthur,

[video=youtube;jDuDN2FtrIo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuDN2FtrIo[/video]
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[Sirk]

Agree about words having power in a sense of the message, and I don't personally know enough about Osteen to comment. The few times I've watched him for a little while, he was psychobabbling, so that was all I desired to see. Partial gospels that tickle the ears damn, as they don't lead to repentance, and I do know Osteen doesn't believe in preaching what he views as bummer aspects of the gospel, like sin and hell. "I'm okay, you're okay" skirts square one of the gospel that, in fact, we're not okay: that's the fundamental problem! There is this, from John MacArthur,

[video=youtube;jDuDN2FtrIo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuDN2FtrIo[/video]
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well when you put it like that! Lol.

 

[VCO]

While I agree that we cannot create our circumstances by speaking them into existence...I do believe that we can play a hand in shaping our circumstance by the way we think and speak. If that makes any sense. I'm not a WOF guy and these "pastors" like Creflo make my skin crawl....but the fact is that our words do have have power and we should learn to speak wisely about ourselves and the people around us. I listen to Osteen on the radio occasionally and I have never heard him say that if you give him money it will be increased to you. The few sermons I have heard of his relate to having a good thought life and good mental health....and he talks about Jesus and that the power is in Him.

You may want to read this article written by a retired Pastor from NEAR HOUSTON, TX; who personally knows a lot about the Olsteen family, than the average Christian. FOR EXAMPLE: Joel Olsteen has NO Bible College or Seminary experience. He was Simply appointed to be Senior Pastor by his Mother to keep it Olsteen's Church, after his Father died. Is Joel Osteen A False Prophet - thebiblicalworldview.org

Joel was raised Baptist, and changed to Charismatic, because of NO Baptist Bible College training, he was easily tossed to and fro following the popular winds of doctrine.

Other sites exposing the False Teachings of Joel Olsteen:

JOEL OSTEEN | FALSE TEACHER

Why is Joel Osteen considered a false teacher?

You can find a lot of others, validating the False Teachings of Joel Olsteen. Just type "False Teachings of Joel Olsteen" in a GOOGLE Search.

 

[VCO]

Agree about words having power in a sense of the message, and I don't personally know enough about Osteen to comment. The few times I've watched him for a little while, he was psychobabbling, so that was all I desired to see. Partial gospels that tickle the ears damn, as they don't lead to repentance, and I do know Osteen doesn't believe in preaching what he views as bummer aspects of the gospel, like sin and hell. "I'm okay, you're okay" skirts square one of the gospel that, in fact, we're not okay: that's the fundamental problem! There is this, from John MacArthur,

[video=youtube;jDuDN2FtrIo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDuDN2FtrIo[/video]
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And to that I say a BIG AMEN!

 

[mwc68]

Though not at all accepting Roman Catholicism (I reject any extra-Biblical teachings), there are saved Catholics, no doubt. I fear many are lost in a concept of being saved by the "church," but these claims by fringe whackjobs are woefully ignorant that a Catholic can't be saved. It all comes down to what we have done with the gospel of Jesus Christ, true repentance, believing in the Lord Jesus and receiving the Spirit. I've know both blessed Catholics of great spirits, as well as a couple who didn't know they are supposed to be Christians, have actually been told, when asking Catholics before if they're Christian, have heard, "No! I'm a Catholic!" I kid you not, one such a good friend some years ago. This same person said they never read the Bible, that the priests take care of that stuff. Mass here and there, and a confession when the sin closest gets cramped is all there is to it?

Don't even know where to begin with all the errors in this statement

 

[mwc68]

Am I the only one who thinks its ironic this man's last name is Dollar? I have never met anyone with this name and I have never seen this name anywhere. The name is an immediate red flag for me!