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While Jesus left His glory up in Heaven, and while He did suppress His Omniscience, he did not actually take on a human soul. Jesus Christ entered the flesh and he did not enter another human being with a soul. In fact, it is dangerous to deny that Jesus Christ did not purely enter the flesh. For the Scriptures say,
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3).
Notice in the above verse that it does not stress any details about him having any kind of human soul.
Jesus has a flesh and blood body that came from the lineage of Adam. This is why he came down from Heaven. it was his way of redeeming us. For the Scriptures say he bore our sins within his body. So there would be no need for Christ to have a human soul. Christ's soul is eternal, uncreated, and divine. Jesus said he would raise up his temple (i.e. body). Meaning, Jesus had power to resurrect himself. He never lost that power. Even on the cross, Jesus held all things together by the word of His power.
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3).
Notice in the above verse that it does not stress any details about him having any kind of human soul.
Jesus has a flesh and blood body that came from the lineage of Adam. This is why he came down from Heaven. it was his way of redeeming us. For the Scriptures say he bore our sins within his body. So there would be no need for Christ to have a human soul. Christ's soul is eternal, uncreated, and divine. Jesus said he would raise up his temple (i.e. body). Meaning, Jesus had power to resurrect himself. He never lost that power. Even on the cross, Jesus held all things together by the word of His power.
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To the contrary:
Jesus is also human. Which means body, soul, and spirit. 1 Thes 5:23; Gen 2:7. Since that is what human is.
Luke 3:23-38
To the contrary:
Luke 4:1-13.
Temptation isn't defined by the outcome, it's defined by the temptation---the process
What do you find was the sin in speaking to a stone that it become bread?
Or the Son of God (since He 'had no human soul,') proving it to the world (Lk 4:9-12)?
Jason that is serious. You've entered the realm of blasphemy..........of denying the Son and the Father.
Humans don't beget merely bodies. But bodies and souls (and spirits). That's where the soul comes from. Gen 2:7.
The spirit, the breath from God, hitting the clay, produces a human soul. 1 Cor 6:17; Gen 2:7.
God was Jesus' Creator.............as well as His Father
Jesus is also human. Which means body, soul, and spirit. 1 Thes 5:23; Gen 2:7. Since that is what human is.
Luke 3:23-38
To the contrary:
Luke 4:1-13.
Temptation isn't defined by the outcome, it's defined by the temptation---the process
What do you find was the sin in speaking to a stone that it become bread?
Or the Son of God (since He 'had no human soul,') proving it to the world (Lk 4:9-12)?
Jason that is serious. You've entered the realm of blasphemy..........of denying the Son and the Father.
Humans don't beget merely bodies. But bodies and souls (and spirits). That's where the soul comes from. Gen 2:7.
The spirit, the breath from God, hitting the clay, produces a human soul. 1 Cor 6:17; Gen 2:7.
God was Jesus' Creator.............as well as His Father
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See, the problem in the church today is that they have everything backwards. They think they can sin and still be saved. They think Jesus could have sinned; Yet, Jesus is 100% God and he knew no sin. They think God will forever torture people in the Lake of Fire for all eternity for a finite amount of crimes (When instead they will be destroyed both body and soul in the Lake of Fire). They believe God told Hosea to marry a prostitute. Up is down and down is up. There is no true morality or goodness in the church anymore. Everything has become twisted and backwards.
Hebrews 2 7 But we see Jesus who was made lower than the angels
Heb 2:6-8
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
KJV
The author of Hebrews is quoting:
Ps 8:4-6
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
KJV
I believe PS 8:4 refers to the fact that Jesus temporarily went from being eternal to being mortal in order that He might redeem us.
Hebrews and James are NOT in conflict; but are written with different objectives.
The author of Hebrews is trying to persuade Jewish believers not to put themselves back under the Law.
James is NOT denying Salvation by grace alone; however he does not want believers to improperly infer that Salvation does not prompt a change of lifestyle and outlook. He reminds the preachers of Eph 2:8-9 that Eph 2:10 is also true.
Jesus Christ already had an eternal divine soul as being the second person of the Godhead, so there would have been no need to create another human soul. I mean, how does that even work if he did have a human soul? Did he possess a created new soul that had a personality and mind that was different than his own? Did Jesus talk between his human side and then his divine side? Did Jesus forever merge with a new personality and mind from a human he created? It doesn't make any sense.
So you are saying the temptation was merely all external and not internal? If that is the case, then I agree. That is why the word "test" is more appropriate.
Such a thing never happened. Jesus was in no way tempted by the devil to do that.
The world was not watching Jesus. So he was not proving anything to anyone. He again just refused the devil's offer because he did not have the capacity to sin. This is why the devil left and never bothered to tempt him again. He realized this was indeed the Son of God.
That is an ironic statement coming from one who believes they can sin and still be saved (Which is an ignoring of morality). Again, Jesus is the Creator and He is eternal and He did not join with another created human being nor did he create a unique tailored new soul so as to change his own mind and personality. God is always going to be God in who He is.
So you are saying the temptation was merely all external and not internal? If that is the case, then I agree. That is why the word "test" is more appropriate.
Such a thing never happened. Jesus was in no way tempted by the devil to do that.
The world was not watching Jesus. So he was not proving anything to anyone. He again just refused the devil's offer because he did not have the capacity to sin. This is why the devil left and never bothered to tempt him again. He realized this was indeed the Son of God.
That is an ironic statement coming from one who believes they can sin and still be saved (Which is an ignoring of morality). Again, Jesus is the Creator and He is eternal and He did not join with another created human being nor did he create a unique tailored new soul so as to change his own mind and personality. God is always going to be God in who He is.
Nope. I just study the Scriptures by the Spirit. Not affiliated with any particular group. But I have been called "wolfie: as an insult, though. I have also been called alot worse, too.
Also, I believe in doing what is good and right by God's Word. So your false accusation does not make any sense. Actually, the Scriptures say that he that sins is of the devil.
Also, I believe in doing what is good and right by God's Word. So your false accusation does not make any sense. Actually, the Scriptures say that he that sins is of the devil.
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Besides, it was predicted in Scripture about how there would be a wrong spiritual state in many of our churches today.
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." (2 Timothy 3:1-9).
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." (2 Timothy 3:1-9).
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Whether you feel there's a Need, or not, that's what we are. What man is.
I'm not sure why you say 'different.'
We were made in God's image.........from the beginning
'Jesus' the name refers to human. Humanity. The Son of Abraham, Son of David.........son of Mary.
It might not make sense to you, that God would become a man. But He did. He wanted to. From the start.
In regards to your word 'merge,' Yes. His humanity is inseparable from His divinity. Though His natures remain distinct,
they also remain mingled.
Satan did not live in His flesh, nor did Satan's nature. But neither did he in Adam before they ate the fruit
What would have been sinful for the Lord to do that? Lk 4:3-4
Then why did Satan tempt Him?
Oh I see. You're saying Satan didn't realize Jesus was the Son of God.........until then.
Be saved from what?
Are you saying His humanity, or His flesh, was eternal? Uncreated?
I'm not sure why you say 'different.'
We were made in God's image.........from the beginning
'Jesus' the name refers to human. Humanity. The Son of Abraham, Son of David.........son of Mary.
It might not make sense to you, that God would become a man. But He did. He wanted to. From the start.
In regards to your word 'merge,' Yes. His humanity is inseparable from His divinity. Though His natures remain distinct,
they also remain mingled.
Satan did not live in His flesh, nor did Satan's nature. But neither did he in Adam before they ate the fruit
What would have been sinful for the Lord to do that? Lk 4:3-4
Then why did Satan tempt Him?
Oh I see. You're saying Satan didn't realize Jesus was the Son of God.........until then.
Be saved from what?
Are you saying His humanity, or His flesh, was eternal? Uncreated?
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I don't understand your word 'invented.'
Or why you use it. He obeyed His Father
No He didn't sin. But He did experience Satan's suggestion to sin
Yes. But that 'salvation' doesn't refer to salvation from the lake of fire in the new heavens
and the new earth
English might not be your first language. ----------Which is fine, great! I wish I spoke another language as well as you.
What do you mean by 'indebted'? The warnings are because, as Paul said, Christian salvation is...........a race
To the contrary, the Gospels harmonize in their resurrection accounts. What are you offended about in the last verses of Mark? The canon is the Scripture. Whether you translate it or not. What's wrong with translating?
Amen. Let us all be taught by God. Let me, and all, be open to Him. To seek and receive.
No, I am not Baptist. Denominationalism, division, is not the pattern or teaching of the apostles.
(I thought you might be----since you, in particular, are offended by this matter of 'losing salvation'
Or why you use it. He obeyed His Father
No He didn't sin. But He did experience Satan's suggestion to sin
Yes. But that 'salvation' doesn't refer to salvation from the lake of fire in the new heavens
and the new earth
English might not be your first language. ----------Which is fine, great! I wish I spoke another language as well as you.
What do you mean by 'indebted'? The warnings are because, as Paul said, Christian salvation is...........a race
To the contrary, the Gospels harmonize in their resurrection accounts. What are you offended about in the last verses of Mark? The canon is the Scripture. Whether you translate it or not. What's wrong with translating?
Amen. Let us all be taught by God. Let me, and all, be open to Him. To seek and receive.
No, I am not Baptist. Denominationalism, division, is not the pattern or teaching of the apostles.
(I thought you might be----since you, in particular, are offended by this matter of 'losing salvation'
But Jesus was not like other men, He was also God Almighty in the flesh who did not have a human father but He was conceived (brought forth physically into this world) by the Holy Ghost. It would be pointless to give the Eternal Son of God a soul when he already has one. The Word was made flesh. The soul is not of the flesh but it is an internal thing. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say Christ was given a human soul. You need a verse that specifically says that. Yes, Jesus can be called a man because he has real flesh and bones and blood and he could get tired in this body and he could get hungry, etc. But that is the extent of it. Jesus called his body a temple. He said if they destroy this temple he will raise it up again. He was talking about the body being destroyed and not his soul. He bore our sins within his body. Not his soul.
So unless you can provide a more specific verse that says Jesus had a human soul, then you are merely seeing something that is not there.
Also, you didn't really explain the mechanics of what type of soul he has? Did Christ possess a man like say you and me? Or did Christ have a new tailored maid soul that would change his mind and personality slightly whereby he merged with it? For it would defeat the purpose to create a human soul that was exactly as the same as your own eternal soul. For a soul is a being's mind, will, and emotions. God already has those things. So again, there is no real need to create them.
I mean, think about this for a second. What makes Jesus different than the believer who has Christ living within them versus say Jesus during his Earthly ministry? Jesus was worshiped as God. So are you saying people should worship Bob Smith because Christ lives within him? No. Most certainly not. Are you saying people were worshiping a human soul in addition to the divine? Again, that would be worshiping the creation and not the Creator. So what you propose does not make any kind of sense.
That is not the questions I asked. They are two questions. With one being true and the other being not true.
#1. Did Jesus possess a created soul that was already set to come into existence without him whereby Christ's eternal soul would be separate and distinct from his created human soul? (or):
#2. Did Christ merge with a tailor made newly created soul that specifically aligned with his own mind, will, and emotions?
Option #1 would be that the divine mind of Chrst would communicate and talk with the separate human mind of Jesus (as if they were two different beings).
Option #2 would be that the divine mind of Christ forever merged with a new created mind, personality, will and emotions thereby changing the very mind, thoughts, and personality of God. However, the Scriptures say, God does not change.
Jesus said to the Pharisees in John chapter 8 that he was the great "I AM" from Exodus 3 as a reply to how he could have known Abraham. So if Jesus merged with a new human soul, He technically could not say that.
See, how ridiculous this is beginning to sound?
[QUOTE'Jesus' the name refers to human. Humanity. The Son of Abraham, Son of David.........son of Mary.
It might not make sense to you, that God would become a man. But He did. He wanted to. From the start.
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1 John 4:3 says, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
For believers even today say Jesus lives within then.
So Christ didn't speak to a human soul that was separate from His eternal soul. He forever merged with a created soul thereby changing the very mind, will, personality of God. But this would cause problems with other verses in Scripture, though.
Two separate things here. There is a huge difference between the Incarnation and demon possession. Adam was merely influenced and not possessed (Which I am sure you will agree).
Because you need to have a desire to sin in order to be able to sin. God does not have any desires to sin. But see, this is where you believe the human soul co-mingled with God's eternal soul might be able to influence Him, right? Such a thing would have put God's holiness in jeopardy, unless he of course cheated and just created a human soul whereby He knew it would simply not sin. That's why the whole human soul concept just doesn't work. For Jesus said one commits adultery already in their heart if they have lustful thoughts towards a woman. John says if you hate your brother, you are a murderer. So Christ could not even have sinful inclinations. He was the Son of God who became flesh and not human soul and flesh.
Because He was not sure if this was the Son of God or not. That was the purpose of the test. To find that out.
Yes.
To be saved from your old life of sin. Not just being forgiven of sin but to not be enslaved to sin. For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil within a person's life.
Well, seeing I do not believe God had made a human soul whereby Christ would have joined with, the answer should be obvious. The Eternal soul of Christ (the second person of the Godhead) is eternal and uncreated beause He is God. The human body (Which was just a body or a shell) was created only at the time when Mary (who was a virgin) had been given conception by the way of the Holy Ghost. The Word was made flesh.
So unless you can provide a more specific verse that says Jesus had a human soul, then you are merely seeing something that is not there.
Also, you didn't really explain the mechanics of what type of soul he has? Did Christ possess a man like say you and me? Or did Christ have a new tailored maid soul that would change his mind and personality slightly whereby he merged with it? For it would defeat the purpose to create a human soul that was exactly as the same as your own eternal soul. For a soul is a being's mind, will, and emotions. God already has those things. So again, there is no real need to create them.
I mean, think about this for a second. What makes Jesus different than the believer who has Christ living within them versus say Jesus during his Earthly ministry? Jesus was worshiped as God. So are you saying people should worship Bob Smith because Christ lives within him? No. Most certainly not. Are you saying people were worshiping a human soul in addition to the divine? Again, that would be worshiping the creation and not the Creator. So what you propose does not make any kind of sense.
That is not the questions I asked. They are two questions. With one being true and the other being not true.
#1. Did Jesus possess a created soul that was already set to come into existence without him whereby Christ's eternal soul would be separate and distinct from his created human soul? (or):
#2. Did Christ merge with a tailor made newly created soul that specifically aligned with his own mind, will, and emotions?
Option #1 would be that the divine mind of Chrst would communicate and talk with the separate human mind of Jesus (as if they were two different beings).
Option #2 would be that the divine mind of Christ forever merged with a new created mind, personality, will and emotions thereby changing the very mind, thoughts, and personality of God. However, the Scriptures say, God does not change.
Jesus said to the Pharisees in John chapter 8 that he was the great "I AM" from Exodus 3 as a reply to how he could have known Abraham. So if Jesus merged with a new human soul, He technically could not say that.
See, how ridiculous this is beginning to sound?
[QUOTE'Jesus' the name refers to human. Humanity. The Son of Abraham, Son of David.........son of Mary.
It might not make sense to you, that God would become a man. But He did. He wanted to. From the start.
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1 John 4:3 says, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
For believers even today say Jesus lives within then.
So Christ didn't speak to a human soul that was separate from His eternal soul. He forever merged with a created soul thereby changing the very mind, will, personality of God. But this would cause problems with other verses in Scripture, though.
Two separate things here. There is a huge difference between the Incarnation and demon possession. Adam was merely influenced and not possessed (Which I am sure you will agree).
Because you need to have a desire to sin in order to be able to sin. God does not have any desires to sin. But see, this is where you believe the human soul co-mingled with God's eternal soul might be able to influence Him, right? Such a thing would have put God's holiness in jeopardy, unless he of course cheated and just created a human soul whereby He knew it would simply not sin. That's why the whole human soul concept just doesn't work. For Jesus said one commits adultery already in their heart if they have lustful thoughts towards a woman. John says if you hate your brother, you are a murderer. So Christ could not even have sinful inclinations. He was the Son of God who became flesh and not human soul and flesh.
Because He was not sure if this was the Son of God or not. That was the purpose of the test. To find that out.
Yes.
To be saved from your old life of sin. Not just being forgiven of sin but to not be enslaved to sin. For Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil within a person's life.
Well, seeing I do not believe God had made a human soul whereby Christ would have joined with, the answer should be obvious. The Eternal soul of Christ (the second person of the Godhead) is eternal and uncreated beause He is God. The human body (Which was just a body or a shell) was created only at the time when Mary (who was a virgin) had been given conception by the way of the Holy Ghost. The Word was made flesh.
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Jason,
What is your definition of "soul"?
Where do you find it in Scripture?
You speak of the capacities of God, without knowledge.
God is not a computer, or anything like one.
Let me guess. You believe humans have freewill, but God has no freewill...
Who taught you this? Don't dare say Scripture, as none such is within the Word.
What is your definition of "soul"?
Where do you find it in Scripture?
You speak of the capacities of God, without knowledge.
God is not a computer, or anything like one.
Let me guess. You believe humans have freewill, but God has no freewill...
Who taught you this? Don't dare say Scripture, as none such is within the Word.
J
A child of God should not seek self reverance or personal gratification.
I cannot harmonize Hebrews or James but God is wonderful and may show me a different perspective through the Spirit.
To this end i thank you all for answering my questions but am ashamed of being a cause for friction between Brethren.
Who is right or wrong is irrelevant as little can be learned from such a divided community.
I wish you all the Blessings of Truth in Christ (and hope you all wish the same for me).
I will continue my studies without further fueling contentions and pray Peace to all.
I cannot harmonize Hebrews or James but God is wonderful and may show me a different perspective through the Spirit.
To this end i thank you all for answering my questions but am ashamed of being a cause for friction between Brethren.
Who is right or wrong is irrelevant as little can be learned from such a divided community.
I wish you all the Blessings of Truth in Christ (and hope you all wish the same for me).
I will continue my studies without further fueling contentions and pray Peace to all.
What is the definition of the word "soul" and how do I know about it?
Well, it is common sense about what we know about that word and the Bible.
Definition of the Origin of the word "Soul":
Online Etymology Dictionary
Strong's Concordance Definition of the word "Soul":
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5315&t=KJV
If you do not believe me, or these basic other sources, then maybe you will believe someone who holds to the OSAS view (who speaks about it):
Here is their explanation on the word "soul" with many Biblical examples.
A) The Soul’s Faculty of Volition
“Give me not up to the will (original, “soul”) of my adversaries” Ps. 27.12
“Thou dost not give him up to the will (original, “soul”) of his enemies” Ps. 41.2
“Delivered you to the greed (original, “soul”) of your enemies” Ezek. 16.27
“You shall let her go where she will (original, “soul”)” Deut. 21.14
“Aha, we have our heart’s desire (original, “soul”)” Ps. 35.25
“Or swear an oath to bind himself (original, “soul”) by a pledge” Num. 30.2
“Now set your mind and heart (original, “soul”) to seek the Lord your God” 1 Chron. 22.18
“They desire and lift up their soul to return to dwell there” Jer. 44.14 Amplified
“These afflictions my soul refuses to touch” Job 6.7 Amplified
“My soul chooseth strangling, death, rather than my bones” Job 7.15 Darby
The “will” or “heart” here points to the human will. “Set the heart,” “lift up their soul,” “refuse” and “choose” are all exercises of the will, having their springs in the soul.
B) The Soul’s Faculty of Intellect or Mind
“Whereunto they lift up their soul, their sons and their daughters” Ezek. 24.25 Darby
“That a soul be without knowledge is not good” Prov. 19.2 Darby
“How long must I bear pain (Syriac:Hebrew: hold counsels) in my soul?” Ps. 13.2
“Marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well” Ps. 139.14 Darby
“My soul continually thinks of it” Lam. 3.20
“Knowledge will be pleasant to your soul” Prov. 2.10
“Keep sound wisdom and discretion . . . and they will be life for your soul” Prov. 3.21,22
“Know that wisdom is such to your soul” Prov. 24.14
Here “knowledge,” “counsel,” “lift up,” “think,” etc., exist as the activities of man’s intellect or mind, which the Bible indicates as emanating from the soul.
C) The Soul’s Faculty of Emotion
1) EMOTIONS OF AFFECTION
“The soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul” 1 Sam. 18.1
“You whom my soul loves” Song 1.7
“My soul magnifies the Lord” Luke 1.46
“His life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty food” Job 33.20 Darby
“Who are hated by David’s soul” 2 Sam. 5.8
“My soul was vexed with them” Zech. 11.8 Darby
“You shall love the Lord your God . . . with all your soul” Deut. 6.5
“My soul is weary of my life” Job 10:1 Darby
“Their soul abhorreth all manner of food” Ps. 107:18 Darby
2) EMOTIONS OF DESIRE
“For whatever thy soul desireth . . . or for whatever thy soul asketh of thee” Deut. 14.26 Darby
“What thy soul may say” 1 Sam. 20.4 Darby
“My soul longs, yea, faints for the courts of the Lord” Ps. 84.2
“Your soul’s longing” Ezek. 24.21 Darby
“So longs my soul for thee, O God” Ps. 42.1
“My soul yearns for thee in the night” Is. 26.9
“My soul is well pleased” Matt. 12.18
3) EMOTIONS OF FEELING AND SENSING
“A sword will pierce through your own soul also” Luke 2.35
“All the people were bitter in soul” 1 Sam. 30.6
“Her soul is bitter and vexed within her” 2 Kings 4.27 Amplified
“His soul was grieved for the misery of Israel” Judges 10.16 Darby
“How long will ye vex my soul” Job 19.2 Darby
“My soul shall exult in my God” Is. 61.10
“Gladden the soul of thy servant” Ps. 86.4
“Their soul fainted within them” Ps. 107.5
“Why are you cast down, O my soul” Ps. 42.5
“Return, O my soul, to your rest” Ps. 116.7
“My soul is consumed with longing” Ps. 119.20
“Sweetness to the soul” Prov. 16.24
“Let your soul delight itself in fatness” Is. 55.2 Amplified
“My soul fainted within me” Jonah 2.7
“My soul is very sorrowful” Matt. 26.38
“Now is my soul troubled” John 12.27
“He was vexed in his righteous soul day after day” 2 Peter 2.8
We can discover in the above observations touching upon man’s various emotions that our soul is capable of loving and hating, desiring and aspiring, feeling and sensing.
From this brief Biblical study it becomes quite obvious that the soul of man contains in it that part known as will, that part known as mind or intellect, and that part known as emotion.
Source:
Spirit and Soul - Watchman Nee
(Note: Please take note that I do not hold to OSAS; Nor do I necessarily hold to any other views held by this author. I merely agree with the portion of the article I quoted).
Well, it is common sense about what we know about that word and the Bible.
Definition of the Origin of the word "Soul":
Online Etymology Dictionary
Strong's Concordance Definition of the word "Soul":
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5315&t=KJV
If you do not believe me, or these basic other sources, then maybe you will believe someone who holds to the OSAS view (who speaks about it):
Here is their explanation on the word "soul" with many Biblical examples.
Soul
Aside from having a spirit which enables him to commune with God, man also possesses a soul, his self-consciousness. Hs is made conscious of his existence by the work of his soul. It is the seat of our personality. The elements which make us human belong to the soul. Intellect, thought, ideals, love, emotion, discernment, choice, decision, etc., are but various experiences of the soul.
It has been explained already that the spirit and the body are merged in the soul which, in turn, forms the organ of our personality. That is why the Bible sometimes calls man “soul,” as though man has only this element. For example, Genesis 12.5 refers to people as “souls” (ASV). Again, when Jacob brought his entire family down to Egypt, it is recorded that “all the souls of the house of Jacob, that came into Egypt, were threescore and ten” (Gen. 46.27 ASV). Numerous instances occur in the original language of the Bible where “soul” is used instead of “man.” For the seat and essence of the personality is the soul. To comprehend a man’s personality is to comprehend his person. Man’s existence, characteristics and life are all in the soul. The Bible consequently calls man “a soul.”
That which constitutes man’s personality are the three main faculties of volition, mind and emotion. Volition is the instrument for our decisions, revealing our power to choose. It expresses our willingness or unwillingness: “we will” or “we won’t.” Without it, man is reduced to an automaton. Mind, the instrument for our thoughts, manifests our intellectual power. Out of this arise wisdom, knowledge and reasoning. Lack of it makes a man foolish and dull. The instrument for our likes and dislikes is the faculty of emotion. Through it we are able to express love or hate and to feel joyful, angry, sad or happy. Any shortage of it will render man as insensitive as wood or stone.
A careful study of the Bible will yield the conclusion that these three primary faculties of personality belong to the soul. Too many Scripture passages exist to quote them all. Hence only a few selections can be enumerated here.
Aside from having a spirit which enables him to commune with God, man also possesses a soul, his self-consciousness. Hs is made conscious of his existence by the work of his soul. It is the seat of our personality. The elements which make us human belong to the soul. Intellect, thought, ideals, love, emotion, discernment, choice, decision, etc., are but various experiences of the soul.
It has been explained already that the spirit and the body are merged in the soul which, in turn, forms the organ of our personality. That is why the Bible sometimes calls man “soul,” as though man has only this element. For example, Genesis 12.5 refers to people as “souls” (ASV). Again, when Jacob brought his entire family down to Egypt, it is recorded that “all the souls of the house of Jacob, that came into Egypt, were threescore and ten” (Gen. 46.27 ASV). Numerous instances occur in the original language of the Bible where “soul” is used instead of “man.” For the seat and essence of the personality is the soul. To comprehend a man’s personality is to comprehend his person. Man’s existence, characteristics and life are all in the soul. The Bible consequently calls man “a soul.”
That which constitutes man’s personality are the three main faculties of volition, mind and emotion. Volition is the instrument for our decisions, revealing our power to choose. It expresses our willingness or unwillingness: “we will” or “we won’t.” Without it, man is reduced to an automaton. Mind, the instrument for our thoughts, manifests our intellectual power. Out of this arise wisdom, knowledge and reasoning. Lack of it makes a man foolish and dull. The instrument for our likes and dislikes is the faculty of emotion. Through it we are able to express love or hate and to feel joyful, angry, sad or happy. Any shortage of it will render man as insensitive as wood or stone.
A careful study of the Bible will yield the conclusion that these three primary faculties of personality belong to the soul. Too many Scripture passages exist to quote them all. Hence only a few selections can be enumerated here.
A) The Soul’s Faculty of Volition
“Give me not up to the will (original, “soul”) of my adversaries” Ps. 27.12
“Thou dost not give him up to the will (original, “soul”) of his enemies” Ps. 41.2
“Delivered you to the greed (original, “soul”) of your enemies” Ezek. 16.27
“You shall let her go where she will (original, “soul”)” Deut. 21.14
“Aha, we have our heart’s desire (original, “soul”)” Ps. 35.25
“Or swear an oath to bind himself (original, “soul”) by a pledge” Num. 30.2
“Now set your mind and heart (original, “soul”) to seek the Lord your God” 1 Chron. 22.18
“They desire and lift up their soul to return to dwell there” Jer. 44.14 Amplified
“These afflictions my soul refuses to touch” Job 6.7 Amplified
“My soul chooseth strangling, death, rather than my bones” Job 7.15 Darby
The “will” or “heart” here points to the human will. “Set the heart,” “lift up their soul,” “refuse” and “choose” are all exercises of the will, having their springs in the soul.
B) The Soul’s Faculty of Intellect or Mind
“Whereunto they lift up their soul, their sons and their daughters” Ezek. 24.25 Darby
“That a soul be without knowledge is not good” Prov. 19.2 Darby
“How long must I bear pain (Syriac:Hebrew: hold counsels) in my soul?” Ps. 13.2
“Marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well” Ps. 139.14 Darby
“My soul continually thinks of it” Lam. 3.20
“Knowledge will be pleasant to your soul” Prov. 2.10
“Keep sound wisdom and discretion . . . and they will be life for your soul” Prov. 3.21,22
“Know that wisdom is such to your soul” Prov. 24.14
Here “knowledge,” “counsel,” “lift up,” “think,” etc., exist as the activities of man’s intellect or mind, which the Bible indicates as emanating from the soul.
C) The Soul’s Faculty of Emotion
1) EMOTIONS OF AFFECTION
“The soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul” 1 Sam. 18.1
“You whom my soul loves” Song 1.7
“My soul magnifies the Lord” Luke 1.46
“His life abhorreth bread, and his soul dainty food” Job 33.20 Darby
“Who are hated by David’s soul” 2 Sam. 5.8
“My soul was vexed with them” Zech. 11.8 Darby
“You shall love the Lord your God . . . with all your soul” Deut. 6.5
“My soul is weary of my life” Job 10:1 Darby
“Their soul abhorreth all manner of food” Ps. 107:18 Darby
2) EMOTIONS OF DESIRE
“For whatever thy soul desireth . . . or for whatever thy soul asketh of thee” Deut. 14.26 Darby
“What thy soul may say” 1 Sam. 20.4 Darby
“My soul longs, yea, faints for the courts of the Lord” Ps. 84.2
“Your soul’s longing” Ezek. 24.21 Darby
“So longs my soul for thee, O God” Ps. 42.1
“My soul yearns for thee in the night” Is. 26.9
“My soul is well pleased” Matt. 12.18
3) EMOTIONS OF FEELING AND SENSING
“A sword will pierce through your own soul also” Luke 2.35
“All the people were bitter in soul” 1 Sam. 30.6
“Her soul is bitter and vexed within her” 2 Kings 4.27 Amplified
“His soul was grieved for the misery of Israel” Judges 10.16 Darby
“How long will ye vex my soul” Job 19.2 Darby
“My soul shall exult in my God” Is. 61.10
“Gladden the soul of thy servant” Ps. 86.4
“Their soul fainted within them” Ps. 107.5
“Why are you cast down, O my soul” Ps. 42.5
“Return, O my soul, to your rest” Ps. 116.7
“My soul is consumed with longing” Ps. 119.20
“Sweetness to the soul” Prov. 16.24
“Let your soul delight itself in fatness” Is. 55.2 Amplified
“My soul fainted within me” Jonah 2.7
“My soul is very sorrowful” Matt. 26.38
“Now is my soul troubled” John 12.27
“He was vexed in his righteous soul day after day” 2 Peter 2.8
We can discover in the above observations touching upon man’s various emotions that our soul is capable of loving and hating, desiring and aspiring, feeling and sensing.
From this brief Biblical study it becomes quite obvious that the soul of man contains in it that part known as will, that part known as mind or intellect, and that part known as emotion.
Source:
Spirit and Soul - Watchman Nee
(Note: Please take note that I do not hold to OSAS; Nor do I necessarily hold to any other views held by this author. I merely agree with the portion of the article I quoted).
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Free will is a choice that leads you down a path that determines which road you want to take. If you choose the red pill, it will lead you into seeking the truth. If you choose the blue pill, you can believe, whatever you want to believe.
Free Will in the Bible:
Free will is a choice that leads you down a path that determines which road you want to take. If you choose the red pill, it will lead you into seeking the truth. If you choose the blue pill, you can believe, whatever you want to believe.
Free Will in the Bible:
#1. Joshua 24:15 KJV -
"Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"
#2. Matthew 11:28 KJV -
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
#3. John 7:17 KJV -
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God."
#4. John 7:37 KJV -
"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."
#5. Acts 2:38 KJV -
"Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized"
#6. Acts 3:19 KJV -
"Repent therefore and be converted"
#7. Acts 16:31 KJV -
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"
#8. Acts 17:30 KJV -
"but now commands all men everywhere to repent"
#9. Revelation 22:17 KJV -
"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely."
#10. Genesis 4:7 KJV -
"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
"Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"
#2. Matthew 11:28 KJV -
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
#3. John 7:17 KJV -
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God."
#4. John 7:37 KJV -
"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."
#5. Acts 2:38 KJV -
"Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized"
#6. Acts 3:19 KJV -
"Repent therefore and be converted"
#7. Acts 16:31 KJV -
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"
#8. Acts 17:30 KJV -
"but now commands all men everywhere to repent"
#9. Revelation 22:17 KJV -
"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely."
#10. Genesis 4:7 KJV -
"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
J
My friend,
Why are you arguing with these people?
I am new to this site and from reading the threads it is clear that you see Our Lord the most clearly.
Proverbs 26 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly or you will become as foolish as they.
I wondered if you could all start a new thread so my alerts will stop.
Born of Frustration is this site.
N.B I do not know how to delete the questions or I would have already.
Peace
Why are you arguing with these people?
I am new to this site and from reading the threads it is clear that you see Our Lord the most clearly.
Proverbs 26 4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly or you will become as foolish as they.
I wondered if you could all start a new thread so my alerts will stop.
Born of Frustration is this site.
N.B I do not know how to delete the questions or I would have already.
Peace
K
No not at all does it make it confusing.....
The bible shows obedience in the faith is a requirement, and the word also shows that by obeying what the Lord said will keep a person from stumbling in the faith. What some have done now days is try and separate how we walk in the faith from the belief in the faith, which can not be done or it leads to false teaching.
Lord Jesus even said in Luke 6:46-49 that a believer in Him is one who comes to Him, listens to what He said, and then goes and does what He said. Three parts to believe in Him and not just one, but some will continue to want to take the doing part off.
One of the problems I see now days is that people are teaching salvation as an immediate physical possession of ours soon as our first minute of belief in Christ. However the bible does not teach nor say that;
Paul says our salvation gets nearer each day from when we first believed, not ours already........Romans 13:11
Peter says our salvation is the ending result of our faith...........1 Peter 1:9
Jude says we are to keep ourselves in the faith to receive eternal life...........Jude 1:21
Apostle Paul also says those who patiently continue in the faith seek for and have hope of receiving salvation
( 1 Thessalonians 5:8, Romans 2:7, Titus 1:2, 3:7 )
Our faith in Jesus and our walk in the faith goes hand and hand unto salvation, as the walk comes from the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Without those fruits shows a person is not born again in the Spirit, and salvation is completely in the hands of our Lord but He keeps us walking properly by His word and the Holy Spirit's guidance. Those who reject these two to continue to walk their own way is not headed to eternal life, as Apostle John clearly says that if a person says they love God but hate their brother the Truth is not in them and have no eternal life abiding in them.