Christians vs Jews?

[KohenMatt]

Ya I have heard that as well but as for an actual relationship with God how do the jews fair I wonder?

I used to wonder the same thing as you. 10 years ago, I had the chance to visit Israel. I witnessed 2 things in particular that shook my beliefs a little.

1) On the flight over there, I groggily awoke from a nap seeing several Jewish man standing in the aisles of the plane praying at their appropriate hours. They chose to do it in an inconvenient time and place. Their prayers were legitimate and heart felt

2) While touring the Western Wall, we went down a small tunnel that ran next to the wall where you could see one of the largest stones the temples were built on. I saw a ladies in her 80's praying fervently in an old chair late at night.

Both of these instances showed me that there are Jewish people that have a legitimate and sincere relationship with God, that is manifested in their actions far more than a lot of Christians might show. I don't know to what degree they have an actual relationship with God, but it sure seems to me that many do.

 

[valiant]

I used to wonder the same thing as you. 10 years ago, I had the chance to visit Israel. I witnessed 2 things in particular that shook my beliefs a little.

1) On the flight over there, I groggily awoke from a nap seeing several Jewish man standing in the aisles of the plane praying at their appropriate hours. They chose to do it in an inconvenient time and place. Their prayers were legitimate and heart felt

2) While touring the Western Wall, we went down a small tunnel that ran next to the wall where you could see one of the largest stones the temples were built on. I saw a ladies in her 80's praying fervently in an old chair late at night.

Both of these instances showed me that there are Jewish people that have a legitimate and sincere relationship with God, that is manifested in their actions far more than a lot of Christians might show. I don't know to what degree they have an actual relationship with God, but it sure seems to me that many do.

Muslims will do similarly. Are we then to see them as in relationship with God. When religion grips a person it can make them do amazing things.

 

[RickyZ]

I used to wonder the same thing as you. 10 years ago, I had the chance to visit Israel. I witnessed 2 things in particular that shook my beliefs a little.

1) On the flight over there, I groggily awoke from a nap seeing several Jewish man standing in the aisles of the plane praying at their appropriate hours. They chose to do it in an inconvenient time and place. Their prayers were legitimate and heart felt

2) While touring the Western Wall, we went down a small tunnel that ran next to the wall where you could see one of the largest stones the temples were built on. I saw a ladies in her 80's praying fervently in an old chair late at night.

Both of these instances showed me that there are Jewish people that have a legitimate and sincere relationship with God, that is manifested in their actions far more than a lot of Christians might show. I don't know to what degree they have an actual relationship with God, but it sure seems to me that many do.

I remember seeing the Jewish praying on the planes to and from Israel. I also remember seeing them pray at the wailing wall. I mostly remember how futile their efforts are, sincere as they may be, because no man comes to the Father except by Christ. And since these people have not accepted Christ, all their efforts to reach God are in vain.

 

[KohenMatt]

Muslims will do similarly. Are we then to see them as in relationship with God. When religion grips a person it can make them do amazing things.

There's a difference when you're talking about 2 different Gods than those of the Jew and Christian.

And yes, religion can make you do certain things, but there is also an element of spiritual discernment as to what is light and what is dark; what is truth and what is false that a Christian can possess.

 

[p_rehbein]

Romans......Chapters 9, 10, and 11........really helps.

Book of Isaiah......really helps.

Gospel of Jesus Christ.......really helps

double speak and word games do not Scriptural proof make............

Unless one is a Clintonian disciple.............the defense of "what the definition of is is"

But, everyone has the God given right to believe as they wish/do........so I will agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[KohenMatt]

I remember seeing the Jewish praying on the planes to and from Israel. I also remember seeing them pray at the wailing wall. I mostly remember how futile their efforts are, sincere as they may be, because no man comes to the Father except by Christ. And since these people have not accepted Christ, all their efforts to reach God are in vain.

In some respects, yes. But I am not willing to take a hard and fast "I know how God views them and what their real relationship with Him is." There's so much personal history between God and Israel.

 

[RickyZ]

In some respects, yes. But I am not willing to take a hard and fast "I know how God views them and what their real relationship with Him is." There's so much personal history between God and Israel.

All of it capped by them telling Him to go hang on a tree. Yes individual Jews may accept Christ, but as a whole they are lost.

 

[valiant]

In some respects, yes. But I am not willing to take a hard and fast "I know how God views them and what their real relationship with Him is." There's so much personal history between God and Israel.

you mean in the way they constantly followed idolatry, then self-righteousness and legalism, then Christ rejection? Yes I get you. The genuine ones became the church LOL

 

[jaybird88]

I remember seeing the Jewish praying on the planes to and from Israel. I also remember seeing them pray at the wailing wall. I mostly remember how futile their efforts are, sincere as they may be, because no man comes to the Father except by Christ. And since these people have not accepted Christ, all their efforts to reach God are in vain.

wow, so where does Jesus say all Jews are going to hell anyway?

 

[psychomom]

wow, so where does Jesus say all Jews are going to hell anyway?

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Jn 3:18)

 

[RickyZ]

wow, so where does Jesus say all Jews are going to hell anyway?

Where Jesus says no man comes to the Father except thru Him.

If you're not going thru Christ then you are not getting to God.

 

[jaybird88]

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Jn 3:18)

that says judged, not eternal damnation, its also directed at anyone not a specific religion.

Where Jesus says no man comes to the Father except thru Him.

If you're not going thru Christ then you are not getting to God.

"through Jesus" means lots of things, im pretty sure it didnt mean only non catholic Christians.

Jesus also said love your Father and love your fellow man when asked how one can enjoy the kingdom of heaven.
im no expert and i have many things yet to learn, but IMO and with due respect, having an attitude such as "im right and everyone else is wrong" seems a bit arrogant.

 

[RickyZ]

"through Jesus" means lots of things, im pretty sure it didnt mean only non catholic Christians.

Jesus also said love your Father and love your fellow man when asked how one can enjoy the kingdom of heaven.
im no expert and i have many things yet to learn, but IMO and with due respect, having an attitude such as "im right and everyone else is wrong" seems a bit arrogant.

No, it means only those who have accepted Christ regardless of what name is on the door of your church or synagogue.

Acts 16: 29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”


The I'm right and everyone else attitude is indeed wrong... among humans. But when it comes to God's words, I'm pretty sure He's right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[dcontroversal]

In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile...the middle wall of partition has been torn down and the two have been made one.....In Christ both Jews and Gentiles are of the seed and stock of Abraham and heirs according to faith.....obviously there are still applicable scriptures and a calling to the Nation of Israel and they will all believe nationally when they look upon him whom they pierced!<------Zechariah

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Acts 15:6-15
6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Romans 10:12-13
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[Elysian]

The ''bruised heel'' was the wrath God poured out on his son at Calvary it was the separation from the father.People are constantly claiming the Jews killed Jesus and if you want to split hairs that is true but if you look at the bigger picture the whole event was Gods plan from the beginning,if it was not it may have not worked,God sacrificed his only begotten son at Calvary to satisfy his wrath against us and our sin.

 

[jaybird88]

No, it means only those who have accepted Christ regardless of what name is on the door of your church or synagogue.

Acts 16: 29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”


The I'm right and everyone else attitude is indeed wrong... among humans. But when it comes to God's words, I'm pretty sure He's right and everyone else is wrong.

so when Jesus spoke of love and many other things, thats all meaningless as we should go by what paul says here.

and what of the jailers household? this passage makes no mention of them believing yet they are saved. good passage but IMO there is much more to it that what you are seeing. and without seeing everything it has to offer i dont think it gives us the right to judge the world. i thin k we should put the teachings out there, if they accept great if not, to bad, we should move on and let our Lord be the judge of it. IMO

 

[Utah]

I'd love to see a poll listing people from various walks of life, and have us mark the ones we individually think have salvation. Examples would include but not be limited to:

Christians--osas, Christians--works, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, muslims, Gays, children, mentally disabled, people who never heard of Jesus, and any others that should be listed.

Supporting Scripture would be most welcomed regarding personal views.

 

[Bowman]

I have heard some Christians bash against the jews saying they are not saved and such, I don't know a lot about the Jews but umm Jesus was a Jew so....

In what way was Jesus a Jew....?

 

[RickyZ]

I'd love to see a poll listing people from various walks of life, and have us mark the ones we individually think have salvation. Examples would include but not be limited to:

Christians--osas, Christians--works, Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, muslims, Gays, children, mentally disabled, people who never heard of Jesus, and any others that should be listed.

Supporting Scripture would be most welcomed regarding personal views.

That's a wonderful idea. I nominate you to put it up