THIS IS WAR! END IS NEAR! EPISCOPAL CHURCH APPROVES SAME SEX MARRIAGES

[JackRT]

Perverted lust is not love...

Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Ro 1:32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

You sadden me greatly. I pray for you.

 

[Mitspa]

You sadden me greatly. I pray for you.

Well folks like you sadden me...

By the way ...who do you pray to?... Really, do you think that you can support and promote evil and reject God and His righteousness ..and think He hears you?

 

[3Scoreand10]

You sadden me greatly. I pray for you.

So you say you are a Christian.
What makes you a Christian? What do you base your Christianity on?

 

[Tintin]

I reckon he's JackH. If so, he prays to evolution. Talk about a crap god! I'd rather have Jesus.

 

[Mitspa]

I reckon he's JackH. If so, he prays to evolution. Talk about a crap god! I'd rather have Jesus.

I was thinking he was JackH also...you think as smart as he is, he could have come up with a different name? Like Tony

 

[pwrnJC]

Godson13....Didn't you know that where you find four episcopalians, there is always a FIFTH? lol My wife's uncle is a gay episcopalian priest. I am not bragging..I am upset...but...GOD is dealing with this firsthand. IT is NOT your duty or calling to always post the NEGATIVE agendas going on in churches. YOUR CHRISTIAN duty is to go out into the highways and biways and win others over to CHRIST...'bringing in the sheaves", spreading the gospel. Anyone can sit comfortably in their homes and use the internet as a launching pad for their voice to be heard. Frankly, this is not your soap box platform here. YES, each denominational church in AMERICA is not only under attack, but they are full of all kinds of issues...THIS IS OLD NEWS..YOU have not told us anything new. Oh, by the way..guess what...Catholic choir boys have been molested for centuries...including ROck HUDSON, at age 9..and we know how that story ended. If you really want to be effective for CHRIST and not portray yourself as a commander and chief, volunteer at a soup kitchen, Allow the Holy Spirit to use you to be a vessel for others, sharing the gospel and love of JESUS to them. You will develop a more solid relationship with CHRIST, instead of trying to be Little Boy BLUE blowing his horn. We know the sheep are in the meadow and the cows are in the corn. Take your inflated ego elsewhere, like in a political ring or a mercenary to wipe out ISIS.

 

[Mitspa]

Im not sure godson is a real poster upset by these things? It seems he is just trying to make Christians seem harsh and petty...I could be wrong?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Indeed, the time has come when many no longer choose to endure sound doctrine and instead accumulate to themselves false teachers in accordance with their own desires. But us genuine Christians are to remain sober in all things including God's holiness and true doctrine.

Antinomianism is as grievous an error as the Pharisees made. In scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

An apostate ecumenical superchurch is forming that ultimately will be absorbed into a one world religious socio-economic system. non-genuine deceived professing "Christians" find that "progressive."

Perverted lust is not love...

Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Ro 1:32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Mitspa]

Indeed, the time has come when many no longer choose to endure sound doctrine and instead accumulate to themselves false teachers in accordance with their own desires. But us genuine Christians are to remain sober in all things including God's holiness and true doctrine.

Antinomianism is as grievous an error as the Pharisees made. In scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

An apostate ecumenical superchurch is forming that ultimately will be absorbed into a one world religious socio-economic system. non-genuine deceived professing "Christians" find that "progressive."

I like your clear definitions ..but I think some think anything that's not legalism is antinomianism and yes the moral standards are upheld in obedience to the Spirit...basically faith working by love (biblical love)

 

[JackRT]

Well folks like you sadden me...

By the way ...who do you pray to?... Really, do you think that you can support and promote evil and reject God and His righteousness ..and think He hears you?

I pray to the God that Jesus points us to. Jesus called him "Father".

 

[JackRT]

The following is extracted from Homosexuality and the Bible by the late Walter Wink
Professor of Biblical Interpretation, Auburn Theological Seminary, New York City.

Consequently Paul's unambiguous condemnation of homosexual behavior in Roman 1:26 - 27 must be the centerpiece of any discussion.

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their woman exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error."

No doubt Paul was unaware of the distinction between sexual orientation, over which one has apparently very little choice, and sexual behavior, over which one does. He seemed to assume that those whom he condemns are heterosexual, and are acting contrary to nature, "leaving," "giving up," or "exchanging" their regular sexual orientation for that which is foreign to them. Paul knew nothing of the modern psychological understanding of homosexuals as person whose orientation is fixed early in life, persons for whom having heterosexual relations would be contrary to nature, "leaving," "giving up" or "exchanging" their natural sexual orientation for one that was unnatural to them. In other words, Paul really thought that those whose behavior he condemned were "straight," and that they were behaving in ways that were unnatural to them. Paul believed that everyone was "straight." He had no concept of homosexual orientation. The idea was not available in his world. There are people who are genuinely homosexual by nature (whether genetically or as a result of upbringing no one really knows, and it is irrelevant). For such a person it would be acting contrary to nature to have sexual relations with a person of the opposite sex.

Likewise the relationships Paul describes are heavy with lust; they are not relationships of consenting adults who are committed to each other as faithfully and with as much integrity as any heterosexual couple. That was something Paul simply could not envision. Some people assume today that venereal disease and AIDS are divine punishment for homosexual behavior; we know it as a risk involved in promiscuity of every stripe, homosexual and heterosexual. In fact, the vast majority of people with AIDS around the world are heterosexuals. We can scarcely label AIDS a divine punishment, since non-promiscuous lesbians are at almost no risk.

And Paul believes that homosexuality is contrary to nature, whereas we have learned that it is manifested by a wide variety of species, especially (but not solely) under the pressure of overpopulation. It would appear then to be a quite natural mechanism for preserving species. We cannot, of course, decide human ethical conduct solely on the basis of animal behavior or the human sciences, but Paul here is arguing from nature, as he himself says, and new knowledge of what is "natural" is therefore relevant to the case.

 

[psalm6819]

The following is extracted from Homosexuality and the Bible by the late Walter Wink
Professor of Biblical Interpretation, Auburn Theological Seminary, New York City.

that's a bunch of baloney

 

[SarahM777]

Indeed, the time has come when many no longer choose to endure sound doctrine and instead accumulate to themselves false teachers in accordance with their own desires. But us genuine Christians are to remain sober in all things including God's holiness and true doctrine.

Antinomianism is as grievous an error as the Pharisees made. In scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

An apostate ecumenical superchurch is forming that ultimately will be absorbed into a one world religious socio-economic system. non-genuine deceived professing "Christians" find that "progressive."

Sorry AOK but your in disagreement with scripture.

Romans 13

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Agape love CAN NOT SIN. Agape love is FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.

 

[SarahM777]

And John writes this

1 John 3

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[SUP][b][/SUP] if the world hates you. [SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16[/SUP]This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? [SUP]18 [/SUP]Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: [SUP]20 [/SUP]If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God [SUP]22 [/SUP]and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. [SUP]24 [/SUP]The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

1 John 4

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love because he first loved us. [SUP]20[/SUP]Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. [SUP]21[/SUP]And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

 

[JackRT]

that's a bunch of baloney

Could you explain why you believe that because I believe that Walter Wink presents a well reasoned argument based on modern medical and psychological findings. I do realize that it is different from Paul's point of view but even Paul had a different point of view than the apostles themselves. A living faith lives because it changes when new understandings consistent with God's love and compassion dawn on minds capable of thinking outside the box. Over the long centuries of Christian history this has happened time and time again. It is happening now.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Sorry SarahM777 but you're in disagreement with scripture.

Firstly, sexual immorality is not love, it is sin, and we should not love sin nor attempt to treat sin as love.

Secondly, agape love in the NT typically refers to divine love (what God prefers) as Strong's puts it and the purpose of God's divine love does not conflict with the purpose of His divine holiness and obviously is not a license for sinning. You're making a false assertion that is addressed in such NT passages as Romans 6:1–11 and 1 John (cf. 1 John 1:9–10).

The Bible rejects antinomianism. Though Christians are not saved through keeping the Mosaic law, we still have a responsibility to live godly lives as we walk by the HOLY Spirit (Gal 5:16) who continually works to transform us into the image of SINLESS HOLY Christ the Creator (Col 3:1, 7–10).

Instead of going around pulling a few scriptures out of context from the rest of God's Word to falsely teach people that they can immerse themselves in "lifestyles" of great sexual immorality, which is both condemned and sternly rebuked in both the old and new testaments as are the false teachers who wrongly teach such falsehood, turn your Bible to the book of Jude.

As the 'Dictionary of the later New Testament and its Developments' states:

"Jude itself indicates that the primary characteristic of the opponents is antinomianism; they reject the moral authority of Christ (Jude 4) and the law (Jude 8–10). As a consequence, they engage in immoral behavior, particularly sexual immorality (Jude 6–8, 16, 18, 23)."

Is it sinking it yet Sarah or do you want to rebuke Saint Jude for condemning "ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness... just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

Note that Jude has a proper exegesis of God's divine love and God's divine holiness (something the false teachers addressed in the book of Jude nor yourself managed to get right).

So did Saint Peter when he penned 2 Peter 2 and 2 Peter 3, noting “the holy commandment delivered to them” (2 Pet 2:21) and of “the commandment of your apostles” (2 Pet 3:2) for in the former text “the holy commandment” is parallel to “the way of righteousness” that was abandoned by the disobedient and for which they were condemned.

Theologian R. J. Bauckham observes that in both of these verses the Christian gospel is conceived of ethically and done so deliberately by Peter in response to the false teachers who had disturbed the community with their advocacy of antinomianism.

I can use big colored fonts too. Anyone can. Using big colored fonts has not made you any less wrong. You ARE wrong.

 

[Mitspa]

And John writes this

1 John 3

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[SUP][b][/SUP] if the world hates you. [SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16[/SUP]This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? [SUP]18 [/SUP]Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: [SUP]20 [/SUP]If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God [SUP]22 [/SUP]and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. [SUP]24 [/SUP]The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

1 John 4

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love because he first loved us. [SUP]20[/SUP]Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. [SUP]21[/SUP]And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

Approving and promoting sexual perversion is not love its hate! homosexuality is not biblical love nor the love that Christ brought to us, its lust.

 

[Mitspa]

I pray to the God that Jesus points us to. Jesus called him "Father".

1Jo 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Walter Wink was a non-orthodox liberal revisionist. Don't waste your time. If you're looking for reading material, try Dr. Daniel R. Heimbach (senior professor of Christian ethics at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary)'s 'True Sexual Morality: Recovering Biblical Standards for a Culture in Crisis.'

https://www.crossway.org/books/true-sexual-morality-tpb/

that's a bunch of baloney

 

[Mitspa]

that's a bunch of baloney

Its starts out "no doubt Paul don't understand" THUS God speaking through Paul "don't understand"

These people believe they are god and they judge what is good and evil...

Ge 3:4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5 "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."