Pre-tribulation raptiure or post-tribulation rapture?
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As I said the pre trib mid trib and post trib scriptures are about what we believe. some claim there are no pretrib scriptures others claim the same for mid and post others still will say there is no rapture and then we have ppl who get angry because we have a blessed hope of being with out Lord and savior and not in his wrath it's all really about point of view and speculation right now because these things have not been made clear to us by God yet because honestly at this point I don't think it's for us to know yet but to be ready regardless of what happens or doesn't happens how it happens or when.
Besides we never even know when out time runs out in this life for all I know I will be dead in five minutes, I think that instead of trying to figure this all out and trying to prove who is right we ought to have our hearts prepared for when it does come because if our hearts are not prepared then when all this does happen we will not stand
Besides we never even know when out time runs out in this life for all I know I will be dead in five minutes, I think that instead of trying to figure this all out and trying to prove who is right we ought to have our hearts prepared for when it does come because if our hearts are not prepared then when all this does happen we will not stand
Tribulation is the lot of the people of God, as Jesus said, 'in the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer I have overcome the world.'
Paul says, ' through much tribulation you will enter under the Kingly Rule of God' (Acts 14.22).
But the Bible knows nothing of a final period called 'the great tribulation.' The great tribulation in Matt 24 is the tribulation on the Jews from 70 AD onwards as the Jews were scattered among the nations to fulfil Deut 28.
the great tribulation is Rev 7 refers back to Rev 2.20-22 and commenced in 1st century AD and has continued since. There is no other mention of great tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble is the tribulation mentioned in Matt 24.
But those caught up in prophetic schemes will give you all kinds of weird ideas
Paul says, ' through much tribulation you will enter under the Kingly Rule of God' (Acts 14.22).
But the Bible knows nothing of a final period called 'the great tribulation.' The great tribulation in Matt 24 is the tribulation on the Jews from 70 AD onwards as the Jews were scattered among the nations to fulfil Deut 28.
the great tribulation is Rev 7 refers back to Rev 2.20-22 and commenced in 1st century AD and has continued since. There is no other mention of great tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble is the tribulation mentioned in Matt 24.
But those caught up in prophetic schemes will give you all kinds of weird ideas
You are correctamundo! I do have a viewpoint on this but I learned its not profitable to hash it out with those who have a different view. The greatest theologians of our time and those past cannot even agree on this but yet they do realize that there is one common denominator: Christ. We need to be getting our spiritual houses in order so we are ready. Christ coming is eminent.
Yes, we have many brothers and sisters suffering tribulation, even to the point of death but that tribulation is coming from men, and we will suffer tribulation at the hands of men BUT the tribulation "such as the world has never known" will be tribulation from God against mankind. And IMO is part of the wrath of God . . . .
There is no need to be confused.
Separate those verses between
uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles and
certain NT teaching
and you will find certain NT teaching locates the rapture at the end of time, shown here.
All the rest is uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles,
which are interpreted by others in the body of Christ to mean things entirely different,
and none of it with any Biblical authority which NT teaching enjoys.
Separate those verses between
uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles and
certain NT teaching
and you will find certain NT teaching locates the rapture at the end of time, shown here.
All the rest is uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles,
which are interpreted by others in the body of Christ to mean things entirely different,
and none of it with any Biblical authority which NT teaching enjoys.
The tribulation can be described and titled as many things, God's time of judgement, the ultimate test for believers, the end of days, the apocalypse, the time of great sorrows and more.
The tribulation is going to make every horror movie ever made seem like a children's Disney movie,the ground is going to be soaked with blood ppl will be severely tortured and slaughtered ppl hearts will literally give out from fear and hope will be all but gone. anyone who thinks they are strong enough to make in in the tribulation will be very surprised, a normal human and the average Christian would not make it. It's going to require a new kind of believers ones who are supernaturally deeply and richly filled and empowered with the holy spirit and all of God's heart and love.
The tribulation is going to make every horror movie ever made seem like a children's Disney movie,the ground is going to be soaked with blood ppl will be severely tortured and slaughtered ppl hearts will literally give out from fear and hope will be all but gone. anyone who thinks they are strong enough to make in in the tribulation will be very surprised, a normal human and the average Christian would not make it. It's going to require a new kind of believers ones who are supernaturally deeply and richly filled and empowered with the holy spirit and all of God's heart and love.
L
Follow that same formula with the word "Trinity" you will also not find it in the Bible either but we all as Christians believe in the 3 persons in One God.,the Godhead..God the Father., God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
Read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 The Lord does not want us to be ignorant of this when He comes back for us His church. And not only that, but He encourages us to comfort one another with those words.
Don't dismiss the catching away., the rapture of the church. It is not a made up teaching, it is right in the Bible for us to find encouragement in. Some have said it is a new teaching but it has been taught in the Scriptures just like any other truth. Matthew Henry is just one of many I can think of who was born sometime in the 17th century or about that time and it can be found in his commentaries as well. I don't have his commentaries anymore but I think he also used the word rapture. Not sure. But he does teach of the catching away of the church before the tribulation.
OK. i read all these scriptures you suggested and I see nothing in there referring to Heaven being on earth. In fact, I read contrary to this in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 that, "Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air, and so we will always be with the lord."
what version of the bible did you get your interpretation from?
L
Yes, totally agree with you sister. The persecution people are suffering now is from man, not God. When Jesus stood up in the temple, He opened the scroll in Luke 4:18-19 To Isaiah 61:1-2b
Jesus was telling them about the "acceptable favorable year of the Lord" and He CLOSED the book right before the next verse in Isaiah 61:1-2b The day of VENGEANCE of our God was reserved for the 2nd coming. Long-suffering and the cross are associated with His first coming; judgment and a crown with His second. (Ryrie Study Bible notes)
We are in the favorable year of the Lord now before the time of the tribulation period (Rev.3:10) . We are living in what is called the church age, the time of grace when the Gospel is going out all over the world. The believer has already been saved from the wrath to come because Jesus took all the wrath and judgment of God towards us on Himself.
There is NO more wrath for us. When Jesus comes again to meet us in the clouds, He will not be on the earth, the Bible specifically says He HIMSELF will descend from heaven with a shout., with the voice of the archangel., and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words... Knowing Jesus took ALL the wrath and punishment for the believer is not only wonderful for that time, but also for NOW as we are living the Christian life. There is therefore now no condemnation. All our sins were paid for in full. God's judgement for our sins has been totally 100% paid for by Jesus Christ our Savior.
F
What's 'the rebellion'?
I want to ask that person where he gets 'two returns' from?
Who on the planet suggests the Lord REturns..........two times?
Regardless, the Lord returns to earth. With His saints, this time. Not alone.
Acts 1; Zechariah 14; Revelation 17; 19; Jude. They go up...............so that
they can come down : )
Of course it is the same with both raptures:
the smaller pretrib one, and the larger post- or end-trib one
I want to ask that person where he gets 'two returns' from?
Who on the planet suggests the Lord REturns..........two times?
Regardless, the Lord returns to earth. With His saints, this time. Not alone.
Acts 1; Zechariah 14; Revelation 17; 19; Jude. They go up...............so that
they can come down : )
Of course it is the same with both raptures:
the smaller pretrib one, and the larger post- or end-trib one