Why I Am An Apostate

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You don't think this is another Catholic hate thread? Well, it is just look at OP

What is wrong with you? Are you for real? The OP is expressing how he came to the truth and you call it BASHING because you are the CATHOLIC CHURCH DEFENDER ????

This is what the OP said in a nutshell.


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Everything went smoothly till I got to the New Testament, and in no time at
all I began to realize that Rome does not always agree with the Holy Bible;
nor does it always agree with Christ. Well; that was not cool with me because I
was, and still am, confident that the Holy Bible as the final authority in all
matters pertaining to faith and practice, and that Christ knew what he was
talking about and meant what he said.

Well; I soon became confronted with a very serious decision. Do I follow
Rome and its Christ; or do I follow the Holy Bible and its Christ?"


I would think you would congratulate him for coming to salvation but instead you assume this as a personal attack because it is YOU that appears to cherish the RC church more than you do proclaiming the TRUTH in the gospels.
 
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Are you a hater of non-Catholics?
No, I just point out your hypocrisy against your brothers and sisters in Christ and how you seem to have no problem condemning us
 
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sydlit

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What is wrong with you? Are you for real? The OP is expressing how he came to the truth and you call it BASHING because you are the CATHOLIC CHURCH DEFENDER ????

This is what the OP said in a nutshell.


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Everything went smoothly till I got to the New Testament, and in no time at
all I began to realize that Rome does not always agree with the Holy Bible;
nor does it always agree with Christ. Well; that was not cool with me because I
was, and still am, confident that the Holy Bible as the final authority in all
matters pertaining to faith and practice, and that Christ knew what he was
talking about and meant what he said.

Well; I soon became confronted with a very serious decision. Do I follow
Rome and its Christ; or do I follow the Holy Bible and its Christ?"


I would think you would congratulate him for coming to salvation but instead you assume this as a personal attack because it is YOU that appears to cherish the RC church more than you do proclaiming the TRUTH in the gospels.
Hi. Just noticed this thread/post. Mind if I join?
 
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I'm sorry but this is just sad. Congratulating a person who became a hater
"What this all boils down to is that God's kin should feel an overwhelming
compulsion to pray to their adoptive Father without their having to be told
to. It should come naturally (so to speak), just as naturally as it came to
Jesus. And they should feel an equally overwhelming revulsion praying to
somebody else.

So then, people with a habit of praying to celestial beings, and/or ordinary
human beings like Christ's mom and departed saints, obviously have neither
the spirit of God's son in their heart, nor the spirit of adoption, compelling
them to call out to its Father. No, the spirit in their heart compels them to
call out to pagan gods."

This is a spot on !!

Those whom walk with Christ could NEVER entertain all the heresy in the RC church. Ive met many a catholic who were saved and absolutely could not stay under the RC roof.

 
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Anyone mind if I join in?
 
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"What this all boils down to is that God's kin should feel an overwhelming
compulsion to pray to their adoptive Father without their having to be told
to. It should come naturally (so to speak), just as naturally as it came to
Jesus. And they should feel an equally overwhelming revulsion praying to
somebody else.

So then, people with a habit of praying to celestial beings, and/or ordinary
human beings like Christ's mom and departed saints, obviously have neither
the spirit of God's son in their heart, nor the spirit of adoption, compelling
them to call out to its Father. No, the spirit in their heart compels them to
call out to pagan gods."

This is a spot on !!

Those whom walk with Christ could NEVER entertain all the heresy in the RC church. Ive met many a catholic who were saved and absolutely could not stay under the RC roof.

So what do you say when people come home to the church like several I know first hand who couldn't deny the truth of the church any longer?
 
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So what do you say when people come home to the church like several I know first hand who couldn't deny the truth of the church any longer?
Id say they are listening to a different spirit. Birds of a feather do tend to flock together.
 
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Id say they are listening to a different spirit. Birds of a feather do tend to flock together.
so, you do hate us and have never considered us brothers and sisters. Very Christian
 
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so, you do hate us and have never considered us brothers and sisters. Very Christian
No, I do not hate you or any other catholic. I dont think anyone who bothers to show you truth hates you but would like to see you come to the truth. I do however disagree with the infused righteousness and all the RC church stands for. It is not of Christ but of another spirit.
 

valiant

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I'm sorry but this is just sad. Congratulating a person who became a hater

Just as Jesus congratulated Peter when his eyes were opened by God?
 

Elin

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No, I just point out your hypocrisy against your brothers and sisters in Christ and how you seem to have no problem condemning us
You have me confused with someone else. . .

Your invective sounds the same as those you accuse.
 

WebersHome

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Core values can be defined as principles and/or beliefs that a person or
organization views as being of central importance.

People often become hostile, defensive, and confrontational when their core
values are attacked because they are so intimately identified with them.

For example: if somebody sincerely believes that Scientology is the cat's
meow; then any criticism of Scientology is viewed by that somebody as hate
speech. At that moment their ego kicks in gear and they're liable to get ugly
if you don't watch out because you're touching upon their worth as a person;
viz: people often react very badly whenever they're demeaned, denigrated,
and/or disrespected in any way, shape, or form.

Such is human nature; but it's not the nature of Christ.

†. Matt 5:39 . .Whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other
also.

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WebersHome

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Some co-workers of mine who soldiered in Viet Nam during the decade of
the 70's, related to me how they were detailed to go out into the jungle and
tally the number of VC dead so that high command could evaluate the
effectiveness of heavy bombing runs. The enemy's bodies were often ripped
to pieces making the dead difficult to count; so what the guys did was
scrounge up enough body parts to assemble a John Doe; then they could
enter the man they assembled into the log as a dead soldier. That came to
be known as a kick-count.

What Catholicism has done is cobble up an alleged biblical prayer by piecing
together excerpts of Gabriel's and Elizabeth's dialogue; in effect, scrounging
up a kick-count prayer.

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the "Hail Mary" is not an in-the-Bible
prayer, but is a developed prayer; and it was developed over a number of
years.

Here's the entire text of the so-called Hail Mary. Words enclosed by brackets
are inserted words.

Hail [Mary] full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb [Jesus].
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

"Hail, the Lord is with thee" was plagiarized from Gabriel's greeting at Luke
1:28 (Douay-Rheims version).

"[Mary] full of grace" is fabricated.

"blessed art thou amongst women" was plagiarized from Elizabeth's greeting
at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

"blessed is the fruit of thy womb" was also plagiarized from Elizabeth's
greeting at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

" Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our
death. Amen.
" is stated by the official Catechism of the Council of Trent to
have been fabricated by the Church itself.

Obviously then, portions of the Hail Mary, in its official form, are borrowed
from the Bible; but the body text of the prayer itself, is not actually in the
Bible; but rather, it's a man-made supplication concocted from plagiarized
excerpts of conversations between Christ's mom, Gabriel, and Elizabeth;
with an ending invocation composed entirely by Roman Catholic imagination.

The Father's legitimate children would never recite a rote mantra like the
Ave Maria because they're commanded to approach the throne of grace with
candor.

†. Heb 4:16 . . Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we
may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

The Greek word for "boldly" is parrhesia (par-rhay-see'-ah) which means all
out-spokenness, i.e. frankness, bluntness, and/or confidence.

In other words: the Father's legitimate children are not supposed to be shy
about speaking up and telling their Father exactly what's on their minds.
Mantras like the Ave Maria are not what I call forthright, out-spoken,
frankness and/or speaking up.

NOTE: I cannot imagine anybody talking to their own mother with rote
mantras so how nutsy is it attempting to contact Christ's mother with rote
mantras?

†. Jude 1:20 . . Continue to pray as you are directed by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit speaks for Christ (John 16:13-14). So then, it is Christ's
wishes that his Father's children communicate with God rather than
somebody else.

†. Rom 8:15-17 . . For you have not received a spirit of bondage again to
fear; but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba!
Father.

†. Gal 4:6 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts calling out: Abba! Father.

He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

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Elin

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He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
You speak like no Catholic I have ever known who once sincerely believed the Catholic Church.

You speak like one who was never really in it, but uses their acquaintance with it to justify their invective.
 
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Some co-workers of mine who soldiered in Viet Nam during the decade of
the 70's, related to me how they were detailed to go out into the jungle and
tally the number of VC dead so that high command could evaluate the
effectiveness of heavy bombing runs. The enemy's bodies were often ripped
to pieces making the dead difficult to count; so what the guys did was
scrounge up enough body parts to assemble a John Doe; then they could
enter the man they assembled into the log as a dead soldier. That came to
be known as a kick-count.

What Catholicism has done is cobble up an alleged biblical prayer by piecing
together excerpts of Gabriel's and Elizabeth's dialogue; in effect, scrounging
up a kick-count prayer.

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the "Hail Mary" is not an in-the-Bible
prayer, but is a developed prayer; and it was developed over a number of
years.

Here's the entire text of the so-called Hail Mary. Words enclosed by brackets
are inserted words.

Hail [Mary] full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb [Jesus].
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

"Hail, the Lord is with thee" was plagiarized from Gabriel's greeting at Luke
1:28 (Douay-Rheims version).

"[Mary] full of grace" is fabricated.

"blessed art thou amongst women" was plagiarized from Elizabeth's greeting
at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

"blessed is the fruit of thy womb" was also plagiarized from Elizabeth's
greeting at Luke 1:42 (Douay-Rheims version).

" Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our
death. Amen.
" is stated by the official Catechism of the Council of Trent to
have been fabricated by the Church itself.

Obviously then, portions of the Hail Mary, in its official form, are borrowed
from the Bible; but the body text of the prayer itself, is not actually in the
Bible; but rather, it's a man-made supplication concocted from plagiarized
excerpts of conversations between Christ's mom, Gabriel, and Elizabeth;
with an ending invocation composed entirely by Roman Catholic imagination.

The Father's legitimate children would never recite a rote mantra like the
Ave Maria because they're commanded to approach the throne of grace with
candor.

†. Heb 4:16 . . Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we
may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

The Greek word for "boldly" is parrhesia (par-rhay-see'-ah) which means all
out-spokenness, i.e. frankness, bluntness, and/or confidence.

In other words: the Father's legitimate children are not supposed to be shy
about speaking up and telling their Father exactly what's on their minds.
Mantras like the Ave Maria are not what I call forthright, out-spoken,
frankness and/or speaking up.

NOTE: I cannot imagine anybody talking to their own mother with rote
mantras so how nutsy is it attempting to contact Christ's mother with rote
mantras?

†. Jude 1:20 . . Continue to pray as you are directed by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit speaks for Christ (John 16:13-14). So then, it is Christ's
wishes that his Father's children communicate with God rather than
somebody else.

†. Rom 8:15-17 . . For you have not received a spirit of bondage again to
fear; but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba!
Father.

†. Gal 4:6 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts calling out: Abba! Father.

He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

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So every prayer you pray comes straight from the bible ? You never pray what's on your heart in your words? I do all the time. Are you gonna tell me I'm wrong praying from my heart? Please show me scripture that says all your prayers must come from the bible.Who said it was a biblical prayer? The first two parts are but not the third
 
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eternally-gratefull

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†. John 6:53 . . Truly, truly, I say to you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son
of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves.

The kind of life about which Christ spoke is eternal life.

†. John 6:54 . . He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

Note the grammatical tense of Christ's "has" verb; it's present tense rather
than future, indicating that people who correctly ingest his flesh, and imbibe
his blood, have eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period.

Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose that transubstantiation is true.
Then according to John 6:54, Christians who take a full communion on
Sunday morning would be endowed with eternal life the very minute that the
elements went down the hatch. In point of fact, the moment they swallowed
the elements, those who ingested them would be impervious to the wages of
sin seeing as how eternal life is immortal; viz: it's a kind of life over which
death has no power.

†. Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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they also would be granted, or given everything else jesus promised to them in all he said.

Never hunger or thirst
Never die
Live forever
Assured that he will raise them on the last day
Live as long as he lives (since he will never die we will ever die)
And finally, Has eternal life (just one aspect)
 
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By the way, not a mantra! Wow can you be more judgemental? How about giving us some of your prayers we can slice and dissect and call wrong?