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KohenMatt

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#81

People, unfortunately swear with "Jesus Christ" and not "Yeshua Christ." (How do you spell Yeshua?)
Even within the Hebrew Roots/Messianic movement there is a lot debate and division on how to spell and say the names.
Yeshua
Y'shua
Yahoshu
Yahweh
YHWH
The Name

Again I'll say to all parties involved. Stop arguing about how to say the name. The letters are not the issue. The person they describe is.

Signed,
Matt
Mateo
Matiyahu
Mathias
Mat

(They all refer to me.)
 
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atwhatcost

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#82
I'd recommend you improve your reading comprehension and then read my post again.
I use the KJV and nowhere does it say Jesus Christ in it in the old testament.
In my bible Jesus Christ is a man born of Mary by the holy Spirit. Again, I don't find that event in the old testament.

Since recommendations seem to be a key word for you, I'd also recommend you study Hebrews and learn the difference between the old and the new covenants. You know the covenant Christ the man ushered in because the old one was faulted.
I'd also recommend you and others stop trying to pretend you are part of old testament Israel and stop clinging words and terminology that was never meant for you.
Since we're going into recommendations, I recommend you stop assuming 3/5ths of the Bible is irrelevant.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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#83
I'd recommend you improve your reading comprehension and then read my post again.

I use the KJV and nowhere does it say Jesus Christ in it in the old testament.
There's nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills.

I use the KJV as well and...? In case you haven't yet heard, the scriptures weren't originally written in English. The Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew with small portions of it written in Aramaic and the New Testament was written in Greek. As such, you're merely reading English words in your Bible which in no way supersede either the Hebrew or Greek which came before them.

Furthermore, every time that you read the name "Jesus" in your Bible, you're reading the English equivalent of the Greek "Iesous" which itself is the equivalent of the Hebrew "Yeshua", so what's your problem? Are we limited to your English which, ironically, was borrowed from another country (England)? Perhaps we should find some Native Americans and learn how His name is said by original Americans so as to not further offend your sensitivities? Not only does Jesus' name originally appear in Hebrew in our Bibles, but "Christ" or "mashiyach" (Messiah) originally appears in Hebrew too and its Greek equivalent is "Christos" from which we derive our English word "Christ". As such, Jesus Christ or Yeshua mashiyach is actually found in the Old Testament if we know where to look for him.

In my bible Jesus Christ is a man born of Mary by the holy Spirit. Again, I don't find that event in the old testament.
Try reading Isaiah 7:14 where it was foretold.

Since recommendations seem to be a key word for you, I'd also recommend you study Hebrews and learn the difference between the old and the new covenants. You know the covenant Christ the man ushered in because the old one was faulted.
I'd also recommend you and others stop trying to pretend you are part of old testament Israel and stop clinging words and terminology that was never meant for you.
So, just because I rightly pointed out that "Yeshua" appears 78 times in the Hebrew of the Old Testament, I don't understand the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament and I'm clinging to Old Testament Israel? Do you have anything to bring to this discussion besides wild accusations? Apparently not. By the way, I've read the book of Hebrews numerous times, but I cannot help but wonder if you ever have. Why? Well, because in Hebrews chapter 4, where the writer is clearly speaking of Joshua, the KJV translates it as Jesus. As somebody else here already pointed out, Joshua foreshadowed Jesus and their names are basically the same.
 
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Galahad

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#84
We're speaking in general terms brother and any study of languages will tell you Semitic languages are designed to be functional whereas our language is more colorful and abstract. That does not mean you can not find abstract concepts in Semitic languages or functionality in English :) Be blessed.
Grammar, language is not math. Rules, laws in math. Language, not so fixed. You read and believe what others have surmised. When it comes to language and speaking and grammar, more changes and alternatives exist.
3+2=5. 2+3=5. 5=2+3.

I love Jesus in my heart.
In my heart I love Jesus.
Not necessarily the same.

Now knock it off, Jonah, Jonnah! :eek:



 
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atwhatcost

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#85
What is the Hebrew word for "salvation"?
From Strong's Concordance
יְשׁוּעָה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Total KJV occurrences: 78
 
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atwhatcost

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#86
Didy's from the Netherlands.

if you're using chrome, you can right-click on the flag and search google for the image. may need to add "flag" to the search string :)
I am, so... yippee! Because I'm infinitely nosy about those flags I rarely recognize. lol
 

crossnote

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#87
It's a no wonder that Paul had both a Greek and Hebrew mind set as he ministered to the Church, made up of Jew and Gentile...and as I recall he never once made an issue of the name Iesous, Jesus, (God saves), whatever.
 
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atwhatcost

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#88
I've eaten at a McDonald's in Israel. They're quite popular there.

But you can't order a cheeseburger. It's not on the menu at all.
Whoa! Outside the tomatoes and lettuce what's to love about their sandwiches if no cheese? (Beef hates me too. lol)
 
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Galahad

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#89
It's a no wonder that Paul had both a Greek and Hebrew mind set as he ministered to the Church, made up of Jew and Gentile...and as I recall he never once made an issue of the name Iesous, Jesus, (God saves), whatever.
Thank you, notecross. I that like. :eek:
 
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atwhatcost

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#90
Galahad said it well.... "Why would you want to create confusion?"

I pray to God, often, as "Daddy". But I would not try to confuse people by normally referring to God as "Daddy."
I've been known to call him "our Dad" on this site. Context works. There has been no confusion.
 

KohenMatt

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(In heaven)

God: Why should I let you in heaven?
Man: Because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
God: Wrong name. See you later.

or

God: Why should I let you in heaven?
Man: Because of the sacrifice of Yeshua.
God: Wrong name. See you later.

Do either of these seem likely to anyone else?
 
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Galahad

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#92
(Beef hates me too. lol)
For some strange reason, I don't find that hard to believe. So in this it case it's not, unbelievable! It's believable! Believe me, it is.:eek:
 
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Galahad

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#93
For some strange reason, I don't find that hard to believe. So in this it case it's not, unbelievable! It's believable! Believe me, it is.:eek:
I wrote it, but I'm busting up. I am. That is funny. It's hilarious. Someone agree. C'mon. It's funny. Laugh people.
 
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Grammar, language is not math. Rules, laws in math. Language, not so fixed. You read and believe what others have surmised. When it comes to language and speaking and grammar, more changes and alternatives exist.
3+2=5. 2+3=5. 5=2+3.




I love Jesus in my heart.
In my heart I love Jesus.
Not necessarily the same.

Now knock it off, Jonah, Jonnah! :eek:



LOL. Perhaps Jeff Benner does a better job of explaining things than I do About the Ancient Hebrew Culture My apologies If I haven't explained properly.
 
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Galahad

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#95
I wrote it, but I'm busting up. I am. That is funny. It's hilarious. Someone agree. C'mon. It's funny. Laugh people.
Man, when AT ATwhatcost reads it, I'm doomed. You talk about anger. Sin is a brewing. :eek:
 
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I've been known to call him "our Dad" on this site. Context works. There has been no confusion.
Have you ever told an unbeliever, "Our Dad created the universe?" Probably not. Because they would be confused by you throwing something like that in the works.

That is simply my point. We have no business possibly confusing people by using a name we happen to like that they might not understand at all.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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#97
(In heaven)

God: Why should I let you in heaven?
Man: Because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
God: Wrong name. See you later.

or

God: Why should I let you in heaven?
Man: Because of the sacrifice of Yeshua.
God: Wrong name. See you later.

Do either of these seem likely to anyone else?
Nope.

I've cast out demons in the name of Jesus.
The early church cast them out more than likely in either the name of Yeshua or the name of Iesous or both.

Somebody will get it.
 
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Galahad

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#98
LOL. Perhaps Jeff Benner does a better job of explaining things than I do About the Ancient Hebrew Culture My apologies If I haven't explained properly.
If it's ancient and the explainer wasn't there, I ain't impressed. I got the same information he has. So I'll review the ancients and still not agree with your authority.

Jonah, Jonnah, explain your own position. Okay. Seriously. Learn it so well that you don't rely on link a dinks.
 
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Galahad

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#99
Nope.

I've cast out demons in the name of Jesus.
The early church cast them out more than likely in either the name of Yeshua or the name of Iesous or both.

Somebody will get it.
But you ain't been able to ban some members in Jesus name, have you? If so, I've got one for you. AT What Cost is it for me to have you do that?
 
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If it's ancient and the explainer wasn't there, I ain't impressed. I got the same information he has. So I'll review the ancients and still not agree with your authority.

Jonah, Jonnah, explain your own position. Okay. Seriously. Learn it so well that you don't rely on link a dinks.
I think if any of us thinks we can explain something better than someone who has devoted half their life to the study of the subject in question, then we are probably seriously deluded about a lot of other things, too.