Do Cops Lives Matter?!

[AgeofKnowledge]

You haven't because those of us who hold to the second amendment and natural law won't let you. If you ever gain the political power to; however, you will.

And then I will sit in a prison cell denying the government my tax revenue while costing them tens of thousands of dollars per year to house and feed me for the crime of possessing firearms to protect myself against illegally armed criminals and criminal organizations whom you've empowered, in reality, to victimize now defenseless people.

Truthfully, we already have burdensome gun control regulation in this country. Look at that 22011 World Bank study which found that there was little correlation between the estimated number of civilian-owned guns and homicide rates.

Other factors are at work. Disarming and imprisoning moral people in some misguided effort to stop actual criminals from obtaining firearms will only further social upheaval and propagate more lawlessness.

The left needs to repent of their immoral anti-Christ ideology which has destroyed the family, destroyed the Christian moral fabric, revised the narrative to remove truth and indoctrinate subsequent generations with falsehood and in immorality.

Passing strict gun control to take my guns away from me won't fix any of that. It won't fix what you created in the voting booth. All it will do is add another $60k a year to state and federal budget deficits trending toward socio-economic upheaval and possible collapse while denying them my tax revenue.

But stupid is as stupid does said the fictional character Forrest Gump.

I haven't made you the criminal at all, but unless something is done here to curb gun violence and you gun owners get on board to implement some sort of gun control, but still retain the 2nd amendment, then the criminals will either run amok or the government will turn against you and persecute you.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

You haven't because those of us who hold to the second amendment and natural law won't let you. If you ever gain the political power to; however, you will.

And then I will sit in a prison cell denying the government my tax revenue while costing them tens of thousands of dollars per year to house and feed me for the crime of possessing firearms to protect myself against illegally armed criminals and criminal organizations whom you've empowered, in reality, to victimize now defenseless people.

Truthfully, we already have burdensome gun control regulation in this country. Look at that 22011 World Bank study which found that there was little correlation between the estimated number of civilian-owned guns and homicide rates.

Other factors are at work. Disarming and imprisoning moral people in some misguided effort to stop actual criminals from obtaining firearms will only further social upheaval and propagate more lawlessness.

The left needs to repent of their immoral anti-Christ ideology which has destroyed the family, destroyed the Christian moral fabric, revised the narrative to remove truth and indoctrinate subsequent generations with falsehood and in immorality.

Passing strict gun control to take my guns away from me won't fix any of that. It won't fix what you created in the voting booth. All it will do is add another $60k a year to state and federal budget deficits trending toward socio-economic upheaval and possible collapse while denying them my tax revenue.

But stupid is as stupid does said the fictional character Forrest Gump.

I all ready have political power, this is why I suggest you do something now before we're faced with either anarchy or tyranny. Do you not understand that this is even for your own sake?

I have not empowered the criminals, I am open to disempowering them by any means necessary. If you being unwilling to even consider some rather modest measures to reduce criminal use of guns, then it is you whom empower them by allowing them to get their carnal killing machines.

EDIT: On top of that, I agree that society is becoming more immoral. That is even more of a reason to get the guns out of their hands before it is too late. Adding more guns will not make them more moral, but will only empower the immoral to do evil.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You don't have the political power to disarm the moral citizenry (e.g. people who do not engage in classical criminal activities). If you did, that political will would already have been turned into government legislation and law enforcement would be busy arresting every American that refused to surrender their firearms while engaging in sweeping new prison construction programs to house the millions of Americans that would refuse to cede the right Jesus Himself gave us to bear them.

And, of course, Stalin and Hitler used the same arguments you use. Do you not realize that it's for your own sake for us to disarm you they said. Anarchy or tyranny will result if we don't. Of course, the disarming of the populace gave them totalitarian power over the populace that eventually led to both... a historical fact you appear to be completely ignorant of.

And you haven't empowered criminals because, again, we won't let you empower criminals by removing us from containing them. It's certainly not because you were able to disarm moral people removing us as a deterrent and containing agent so criminals could operate more effectively.

Which points out that you obviously are NOT open to all means to disempower actual criminals (not to be confused with non-criminals whom engage in no actual criminality but whom bad misguided immoral laws like totalitarian leftists propose turn into criminals on paper) for if you were then you would be espousing the benefits of gun ownership for all moral Americans to the society instead of attempting to assist the criminal element in disarming them so they can be more easily victimized.

Instead of empowering moral people to stop immoral people, you would do the exact opposite. The rest of your post is a paranoid nonsensical fallacious rant. Arming the moral demographic in any populace and teaching them to properly use those firearms is a powerful deterrent and positive societal force for lawfulness against criminals and criminality. You've gotten it all twisted around in your head.

Listen, you're not a prophet of God with a special message that America must be disarmed in order for lawfulness to flourish. If it's meds time, then take your meds. That kind of ludicrous nonsense is how you ended up on my ignore lest to begin with.

I all ready have political power, this is why I suggest you do something now before we're faced with either anarchy or tyranny. Do you not understand that this is even for your own sake?

I have not empowered the criminals, I am open to disempowering them by any means necessary. If you being unwilling to even consider some rather modest measures to reduce criminal use of guns, then it is you whom empower them by allowing them to get their carnal killing machines.

EDIT: On top of that, I agree that society is becoming more immoral. That is even more of a reason to get the guns out of their hands before it is too late. Adding more guns will not make them more moral, but will only empower the immoral to do evil.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

You don't have the political power to disarm the moral citizenry (e.g. people who do not engage in classical criminal activities). If you did, that political will would already have been turned into government legislation and law enforcement would be busy arresting every American that refused to surrender their firearms while engaging in sweeping new prison construction programs to house the millions of Americans that would refuse to cede the right Jesus Himself gave us to bear them.

And, of course, Stalin and Hitler used the same arguments you use. Do you not realize that it's for your own sake for us to disarm you they said. Anarchy or tyranny will result if we don't. Of course, the disarming of the populace gave them totalitarian power over the populace that eventually led to both... a historical fact you appear to be completely ignorant of.

And you haven't empowered criminals because, again, we won't let you empower criminals by removing us from containing them. It's certainly not because you were able to disarm moral people removing us as a deterrent and containing agent so criminals could operate more effectively.

Which points out that you obviously are NOT open to all means to disempower actual criminals (not to be confused with non-criminals whom engage in no actual criminality but whom bad misguided immoral laws like totalitarian leftists propose turn into criminals on paper) for if you were then you would be espousing the benefits of gun ownership for all moral Americans to the society instead of attempting to assist the criminal element in disarming them so they can be more easily victimized.

Instead of empowering moral people to stop immoral people, you would do the exact opposite. The rest of your post is a paranoid nonsensical fallacious rant. Arming the moral demographic in any populace and teaching them to properly use those firearms is a powerful deterrent and positive societal force for lawfulness against criminals and criminality. You've gotten it all twisted around in your head.

Listen, you're not a prophet of God with a special message that America must be disarmed in order for lawfulness to flourish. If it's meds time, then take your meds. That kind of ludicrous nonsense is how you ended up on my ignore lest to begin with.

Again, I have said here something has to be done even if you keep the 2nd amendment. You have to implement some type of gun control. You can still keep the second amendment, but if you do not do something then there's only two paths going forward. Either the violence will continue until it is out of hand, or elsewise the government will crackdown sooner or later.

The Christians cannot kill people. Jesus says if a man smites you, turn the other cheek. You would empower the criminals to have easy access to guns with which they will and all ready have victimized Christians.

Adding more guns is like adding gasoline to a fire. It doesn't stop the fire. That has been the policy of the past 15 years, and look what it has got us. More school shootings, more cop shootings, more public rampages, more ability for terrorists to attack us even.

If you want to keep your guns you better start looking for modes of gun control that will let you keep them, but that will make it harder to obtain for the criminals. I don't have to do anything, either the violence will get out of control, which it all ready is so dangerously close to, or the government will have to react in a way that neither you or me want them to.

If the ignorant want to ignore the warnings which are obvious to anyone that can read or watch videos, then so be it, their own blood is upon their own heads.

 

[jonl]

You're a speck on the map with only 11 million people. We have more than 320 million people on a land mass that's 9.842 million km.

In 2012, Belgium's murder rate was 1.6 per 100,000. In 2012, the U.S. murder rate was 4.5 per 100,000. But, if you subtract African Americans (who represent about 13% of the U.S. population), the U.S. murder rate drops in half making it comparable with Belgium only without all the leftist totalitarianism. If you just compare the white demographic for homicide rate in both countries, the U.S. rate is actually lower than Belgium. Think about that.

For perspective, El Salvador's murder rate is trending at 96.8 this year: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-skyrockets/RnCTlaZILn10qLJuIvZ9pL/story.html

Oh, and El Salvador has relatively strict gun control laws in place. El Salvador requires a full background check on every applicant every time a gun is sold and the government reserves the right to deny these gun permit application at their sole discretion as El Salvador has no second amendment. Furthermore, the government maintains a registry for every gun in civilian hands, conduct buy back programs amongst the civilian population, and by law anyone convicted of a criminal act cannot ever legally own a firearm.

Yet their murder rate is 96.8 per 100,000 people.

You might want to read this 2011 World Bank study which found that there was little correlation between the estimated number of civilian-owned guns and homicide rates.

I’ve tried to say for a long time, that most of the violent crimes are committed by blacks and hispanics, but almost everybody preferred to believe psychologists (“just change the environment”) and mainstream media (“everyone is equal”). It all started with massive integration in the 1960’s after many city-wide riots, such as Watts in 1965 which triggered many other riots across the country. The problem with idealists like JFK, MLK, chief justice Earl Warren, is that they believed the psychologists and social media that massive integration would solve the problem.

Almost overnight, big quiet metropolitan cities became poverty-, drug- and crime-infested. I lived in Oakland, Calif. in the 1970’s when Oakland was a relatively crime-free town in the 1960’s. In the 1970’s there was fear in the air, and not many people were seen out in the streets after 6:00 pm (downtown and neighborhoods). I was outside at night waiting for the bus because I didn’t drive then.

The great experiment of massive integration and immigration has not worked, in spite of how the media has tried to sweep the crimes under the rug. IMO, what kept the blacks relatively non-violent all these years, has been strong christian influence from white christians in the South, the North and the West. Now without white christian leadership (or a morally lukewarm church in general), black christians don’t have the good leadership they need.

Meanwhile the police have had to take on more of the front-line defense against minority crime, while liberal politicians keep enacting laws to make it harder for the average citizen to defend themselves. Speculating to the future, IMO, UN police will be brought in to control national crime, but they could be much more of a problem than solution. So having sympathetic, community-type police has been important, but the social equilibrium is under pressure, mainly IMO because people have left God.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

GIS, you're wrong and back on ignore. I've got better things to repeatedly correcting your false assertions and misuse of scripture to "justify" using the government to assist criminals and their criminal organizations in more freely victimizing a disarmed non-criminal population.

 

[Angela53510]

I don't really understand how Australia could get rid of all its guns after one mass murder and never have another one since then. And the homicide rate by guns has steadily decreased to .86 per 100,000.

Australian Institute of Criminology - Homicide statistics

I don't understand how Japan could get rid of all its guns and lower the gun murder rate down to 11 people in one year, (2007) and it was a national scandal when homicides with guns went up to 22 people the next year. That's .06 per 100,000!

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - The Atlantic

In Canada, there is no "right to bear arms" and I am glad. Why? Because I don't carry a gun, no one I know carries a gun. No one I know has ever been threatened by a gun, and other than a psychopath who killed 4 Mounties 10 years ago, with illegal guns, we don't have the gun violence or death per capita that the US has. We have 1.44 gun deaths per 100,000 and the US has 10.64 according to numerous sources. And a certain portion of the population is skewing our results to as high as they are.

2013 homicide rate in Canada lowest since 1966 - Politics - CBC News

Guns are out of control in the US. Police officers, people praying in a church, sitting in a theatre have all been victims of gun murders. It is really sad to see the United States going so downhill. And part of that is the refusal to of Americans to take their heads out of the second amendment "right" hole, and focus on making the country accountable and start taking away guns, so all citizens can be safe.

This continual red herring that "only the criminals" will be armed simply doesn't bear out in the rest of the world. Unless the fabric of American society is so rotten and corrupt that there is truly no hope to stem the tide of gun violence?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Liberals conceal the fact that most gun deaths in America are actually suicides, not murders or accidents and that the US also has a relatively low rate of overall suicide (e.g. we rank 50[SUP]th[/SUP] in the world with nations like Japan, Russia, South Korea and Belgium most which show higher suicide rates than our own despite much tougher gun laws).

And a couple of islands (one with a much higher suicide rate than the U.S. [Japan]) and a freezing nation of only 34 million people who's murder rate is impeded by the weather (e.g. Canada is covered in snow half the year but still managed to post a 2.5 murder rate in 2014) are extremely poor correlations to the U.S. for much of anything to do with this topic. Now Mexico, on the other hand...

 

[Jak795]

From a rational standpoint, yes they do. From an irrational/corrupted standpoint, they don't.

 

[wisebeardman]

Again, some of us know the real problem, and the problem isn't guns.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Although there are very real instances of cops doing horrible things, like killing men for no reason, I do think the media does a good job at convincing Americans to believe that the police are their enemies, and that we need to rise against them.


We immediately rebuke those who claim that because one person of one group of people does wrong, the entire group is our enemy. We should be making this same stance for police officers, as well.

 

[Dude653]

Bernie Sanders said that no one should be pulled from their car and assaulted and then die in jail just for failing to signal a lane change. He is the first of the candidates that I know of that has addressed this issue and that's why he's getting my vote. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained. They are trained to treat us as the enemy when we are the ones who pay their salaries

 

[kaylagrl]

Bernie Sanders said that no one should be pulled from their car and assaulted and then die in jail just for failing to signal a lane change. He is the first of the candidates that I know of that has addressed this issue and that's why he's getting my vote. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained. They are trained to treat us as the enemy when we are the ones who pay their salaries

Isnt he a socialist?

 

[Dude653]

I do not condone any type of violence toward police officers, however I believe they brought this war on themselves. Bernie Sanders in his platform says he plans to demilitarize the police. I believe across the board police officers need to be retrained. They are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Bernie Sanders said that no one should be pulled from their car, beaten and then died in jail for simply failing to signal a lane change. That's why he's getting my vote.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

That's always the left's response: "Take away the guns and nobody gets killed."

Utter freakin' nonsense! The old NRA bumper sticker is just as true today as it was 30 years ago:

And gun control doesn't work when there are literally millions of handguns on the streets awaiting a buyer whose got $50 and an itch to shoot somebody.

You can't stop manufacturing handguns, or shotguns, or rifles, because then the government has nothing to fear from a wronged electorate, and can do anything it wants.

if guns are outlawed a psychotic man cant guy a gun at 7-11 and then go blasting about him

 

[Dude653]

I do not condone any type of violence against police officers, however I'll believe they brought this war on themselves. Bernie Sanders and his campaign has addressed this issue saying that he plans to demilitarise the police. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained. They are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. He also stated that no one should be pulled from their car and beaten Indian guy in jail for simply failing to signal a lane change. That's why he's getting my vote

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

if guns are outlawed a psychotic man cant guy a gun at 7-11 and then go blasting about him

Thats a massive exaggeration

Btw, in my state its very very easy to get a gun, and we have little violence





And I would agree that police do need new training. I have seen videos where a cop shot and killed a man because he ran away. You cant kill a man because he ran away, thats not even close to humane.


But even still, we should defend our police as well, because just as they do wrong to us, civilians do wrong to them. And there are far too many people who use instances of when police do wrong as an excuse to riot and pillage and do terrible things, and by doing that they make the situation much worse. A few bad eggs does not make the whole evil, and needed to be destroyed.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

if guns are outlawed a psychotic man cant guy a gun at 7-11 and then go blasting about him

True ... but only if the psychotic man has submitted to or been committed for psychiatric/mental health care. If he hasn't -- e.g., the shooter of the WDBT news crew refused to seek help despite numerous requests and even demands he do so -- then he can still get a gun a blast away. It isn't the gun's fault. It's the fault of the unbalanced individual who refuses good advise.

 

[kaylagrl]

I do not condone any type of violence toward police officers, however I believe they brought this war on themselves. Bernie Sanders in his platform says he plans to demilitarize the police. I believe across the board police officers need to be retrained. They are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Bernie Sanders said that no one should be pulled from their car, beaten and then died in jail for simply failing to signal a lane change. That's why he's getting my vote.

But....he's a socialist. Sorry cant get my head around that.

 

[Dude653]

Oops sorry for the spam... I was having phone issues