Do Cops Lives Matter?!

[AgeofKnowledge]

He's a 74 year old card carrying communist, closely associated with the Communist Party USA (though he likes to present himself as a democratic socialist for political reasons), who's sole platform is taxing everyone 100% to fund a Marxist social program platform.

The result would be a rapid decline in productivity as people just stopped working, inventing/innovating, etc... at material levels due to the profit motive being removed which is exactly what precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union.

The leftards love him because he promises to tax every producer to give them "free" stuff, fully embraces homosexuality and alternative immoralities, fully embraces abortion on demand, etc...

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He's just another misguided loser looking to remake society in his anti-Christ image. He can get in line with the rest of them.

Isnt he a socialist?

 

[Jak795]

Although there are very real instances of cops doing horrible things, like killing men for no reason, I do think the media does a good job at convincing Americans to believe that the police are their enemies, and that we need to rise against them.


We immediately rebuke those who claim that because one person of one group of people does wrong, the entire group is our enemy. We should be making this same stance for police officers, as well.

Indeed, cops are human beings. They make mistakes, they aren't perfect. But treating a whole group as your enemy because there are a few bad applies in the bunch is very irrational.

 

[Dude653]

The problem is that we have a militarized police force who are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Also they are trained to escalate the situation when it can often be resolved without violence. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained

 

[GodIsSalvation]

The problem is that we have a militarized police force who are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Also they are trained to escalate the situation when it can often be resolved without violence. Across the entire nation timer police officers need to be retrained

Yea, but until some action is taken for some sort of gun control, the only option is sadly that the police will have to keep being armed more just try to keep up. They have to be so hard and on edge because things are now so violent. So you can see the obvious downward spiral. If guns are so easily accessible the criminals get bolder and build up arsenals. The more criminals build up arsenals the more the police have to get militaristic and iron-fisted in their conduct. The more the police get militaristic the more people want guns for fear of the government thus making the overall pool of guns wider and more easily available to criminals. The more criminals get guns the more the police have to get militaristic. It's not a cycle, it's a downward spiral and either it is broken and made straight or we hit the bottom and that won't be good for anyone no matter their opinion on the gun.

 

[skipp]

Indeed, cops are human beings. They make mistakes, they aren't perfect. But treating a whole group as your enemy because there are a few bad applies in the bunch is very irrational.

We do the same thing with teachers. Modern Americans as a whole tend not to like authority figures too much.

 

[Bushido8000]

Indeed, cops are human beings. They make mistakes, they aren't perfect. But treating a whole group as your enemy because there are a few bad applies in the bunch is very irrational.

the "few bad apples" argument is pretty dead now. ive interacted with cops A LOT (including sharing workplaces with them). The problem is that even if a cop is "good", he must backup and follow the words/actions of a bad cop in his unit. "good" cops don't testify against "bad" cops most of the time. Characters like the ones in "Courageous" simply don't exist in the real world. You'll see a candid shot of a cop doing a good deed, but this is a deed in between days where the same cop is harassing people in hopes of scoring the all-profitable fine or arrest nowadays. Unfortunately, privatized prisons and the war on drugs made crime more profitable for cops/politicians.

This means that even if a cop was somehow miraculously "good", he/she would still be "bad" by proxy. This is one of the reasons why most departments wont allow people with high IQs to become police officers. It's easier to take orders when you can't think critically about what you are doing to your country and it's people.

Instead sending drug offenders to abstinence-based treatment facilities, we make it a crime and send them to prison. Everyone financially wins (well...almost everyone)

 

[Dude653]

the "few bad apples" argument is pretty dead now. ive interacted with cops A LOT (including sharing workplaces with them). The problem is that even if a cop is "good", he must backup and follow the words/actions of a bad cop in his unit. "good" cops don't testify against "bad" cops most of the time. Characters like the ones in "Courageous" simply don't exist in the real world. You'll see a candid shot of a cop doing a good deed, but this is a deed in between days where the same cop is harassing people in hopes of scoring the all-profitable fine or arrest nowadays. Unfortunately, privatized prisons and the war on drugs made crime more profitable for cops/politicians.

This means that even if a cop was somehow miraculously "good", he/she would still be "bad" by proxy. This is one of the reasons why most departments wont allow people with high IQs to become police officers. It's easier to take orders when you can't think critically about what you are doing to your country and it's people.

Instead sending drug offenders to abstinence-based treatment facilities, we make it a crime and send them to prison. Everyone financially wins (well...almost everyone)

You are correct. The same companies who only private prisons all the companies who supply the SWAT teams with weapons. It's all about money. Presents are a lucrative business. America incarcerates more people than any country in the world. Also our police kills more people than any country in the world.

 

[atwhatcost]

And another cop has been shot and killed....


Police seek suspects after officer shot dead north of Chicago -reports

I seriously think cops across the country should either:
1. Get a bad case of the Blue flu for 1-2 days to remind everyone who they are.
2. Quit.

Then all lives will matter again. Their lives matter, but it's like only to them anymore. So maybe it's time for them to save themselves for a while.

 

[dcontroversal]

It seems unlikely hey....!

 

[kaylagrl]

I seriously think cops across the country should either:
1. Get a bad case of the Blue flu for 1-2 days to remind everyone who they are.
2. Quit.

Then all lives will matter again. Their lives matter, but it's like only to them anymore. So maybe it's time for them to save themselves for a while.

Good point! I feel bad for the wives and families of police officers right now.

 

[Jak795]

The problem is that we have a militarized police force who are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Also they are trained to escalate the situation when it can often be resolved without violence. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained

I don't think militarized police force is a bad thing. Especially when the argument of what kind of equipment they should use comes up. That's a flimsy argument in itself. Anybody that fears what equipment they use is someone that has bad intentions in mind. Criminals still have access to firearms illegally, but yet little to nothing is done about it. So until we do get a system in place that cuts off supply to criminals. That's more of what we should be concerned about.

 

[Jak795]

America incarcerates more people than any country in the world. Also our police kills more people than any country in the world.

This is a grey area with a lot of depending factors.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I don't think militarized police force is a bad thing. Especially when the argument of what kind of equipment they should use comes up. That's a flimsy argument in itself. Anybody that fears what equipment they use is someone that has bad intentions in mind. Criminals still have access to firearms illegally, but yet little to nothing is done about it. So until we do get a system in place that cuts off supply to criminals. That's more of what we should be concerned about.

Personally I am not a fan of the militarization of the police. I think it is a shadow of bad things to come. I think Dude makes a good point too that it escalates what are rather mundane situations and creates a bad atmosphere.

Nevertheless, your point is the stronger point. For as long as the criminals have access to military style weapons the police will have to have military style equipment just to keep up. The only way one can validly argue to demilitarize the police is if the criminals' access and capabilities to military style weapons is diminished.

It's a bad spot we're in, but it's not too late to change it for the better just yet, but that door is closing.

 

[Jak795]

We do the same thing with teachers. Modern Americans as a whole tend not to like authority figures too much.

Because it's the way the general mentality in the country has changed. Anybody that tries to be the enforcer of the rules is the bad guy. A teacher should and has every right to discipline a student that acts out in class. There's a difference between abuse and proper punishment for violating school policy.

I grew up with teachers that wouldn't take any guff from a student that showed out. They weren't scared of dealing with you accordingly. They were very respectable people.


Personally, I think most teachers nowadays don't get enough credit for their work. They put up with so much and get very little in return.

 

[kodiak]

The problem is that we have a militarized police force who are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Also they are trained to escalate the situation when it can often be resolved without violence. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained

Actually police are trained to protect.......and the escalation of force is not caused by police. They are trained when to use each technique. If they or someone else is being met with deadly force, they can use deadly force, the highest force on the chart they learn. The lowest force on the chart is voice commands....If they can, they will just talk the person down.

the "few bad apples" argument is pretty dead now. ive interacted with cops A LOT (including sharing workplaces with them). The problem is that even if a cop is "good", he must backup and follow the words/actions of a bad cop in his unit. "good" cops don't testify against "bad" cops most of the time. Characters like the ones in "Courageous" simply don't exist in the real world. You'll see a candid shot of a cop doing a good deed, but this is a deed in between days where the same cop is harassing people in hopes of scoring the all-profitable fine or arrest nowadays. Unfortunately, privatized prisons and the war on drugs made crime more profitable for cops/politicians.

This means that even if a cop was somehow miraculously "good", he/she would still be "bad" by proxy. This is one of the reasons why most departments wont allow people with high IQs to become police officers. It's easier to take orders when you can't think critically about what you are doing to your country and it's people.

Instead sending drug offenders to abstinence-based treatment facilities, we make it a crime and send them to prison. Everyone financially wins (well...almost everyone)

Cops dont have to backup the actions of other cops.....I dont know where you get your facts, but over 90% of the police force are good and most would try to stop another cop from a bad action/hold them accountable. Our justice system is based on classical theory....that is why they are sent to jail......and people with higher iqs dont normally want to become cops....and their reasoning is pay is not good and you put your life in danger......

 

[Jak795]

Personally I am not a fan of the militarization of the police. I think it is a shadow of bad things to come. I think Dude makes a good point too that it escalates what are rather mundane situations and creates a bad atmosphere.

Nevertheless, your point is the stronger point. For as long as the criminals have access to military style weapons the police will have to have military style equipment just to keep up. The only way one can validly argue to demilitarize the police is if the criminals' access and capabilities to military style weapons is diminished.

It's a bad spot we're in, but it's not too late to change it for the better just yet, but that door is closing.

I believe someone said it at best that it's an endless cycle were in. Criminals get access to illegal weaponry, law enforcement has to get better gear to keep up. Something in the equation has to change and that's the criminal side of it. But I do agree on better discipline. But that can also be a grey area, depending on the circumstances.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I believe someone said it at best that it's an endless cycle were in. Criminals get access to illegal weaponry, law enforcement has to get better gear to keep up. Something in the equation has to change and that's the criminal side of it. But I do agree on better discipline. But that can also be a grey area, depending on the circumstances.

I agree, but it's not a cycle, for if it were a cycle it wouldn't be so bad because they'd keep each other in check. It's a downward spiral, and that means there's crash sooner or later, being anarchy and mass violence or authoritarian tyranny. Neither one being particularly desirable since either one is a no-win situation for both the pro-gun and anti-gun person..

 

[jonl]

Back in the 1960’s the politicians, social scientists, educators, church leaders, the media -- all strongly advocated mass integration, saying (paraphrased), “trust us, mass integration will work, everybody just has to cooperate.”

However, for everything that was done – mass relocation, neighborhood integration, jobs, schools, welfare, etc., -- things might be starting to unravel. For all the good intentions, the police ended up doing all the enforcing while most social scientists, business leaders, politicians and church leaders mass exodused to the suburbs. Now they’re all starting to blame the police for not doing their job right. What did they expect the police to do, when criminal elements were getting more violent out in the streets, and their civilian backups were in their suburban houses watching Netflix with doors locked and guns ready?

And all this has happened with a flourishing economy. What if there was an economic crisis?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

It is time to put an end to this “the police are militarizing” nonsense once and for all. The following was written by Dallas area law enforcement officer Doug Deaton two years ago.

"The vast majority of claims regarding the “militarization” of American police can be traced to the works of two men: Peter Kraska and Radley Balko.

"Their writings, and subsequent conclusions about “militarization” of police, are based on cherry-picking of data, a demonstrated willingness to use incomplete source material – such as preliminary or anecdotal reports of police misconduct vs. final court decisions regarding the same incidents – and extensive use of post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning.

"Their work is rife with confirmation bias and has been used by numerous critics as a foundation upon which to build a large but flimsy body of writings on “militarization” that does not stand up to serious scrutiny. Unfortunately, Kraska and Balko’s work is regularly cited by radicals from both the right and left to support extreme agendas.

"The best salesmen of the “militarization” theme write in a way that feeds the grievances and bitterness of readers throughout the political landscape. The most vitriolic commentary regarding “militarization” is based on deeply flawed thinking by emotional people who tend to believe everything they read. These cannot be bothered to verify the facts reported by their favorite authors. People who read only those sources they agree with (and the sources those sources agree with) can be easily led down a false intellectual path.

"Police in the 1950s could – and did – use serious force much more often than modern officers. Searches, seizures, and arrests that were commonplace in the ‘50s would today be thrown out of court and cause the officer to be stripped of his or her license and become the focus of a criminal investigation.

"A review of the available literature reveals a widespread belief that the mere use of protective equipment by police officers signifies a growing police state employing hordes of cops eager to trample on the Constitution.

"The truly puzzling aspect of the use of specialized equipment and protective gear by firefighters, athletes, and race car drivers is seen as a logical response to potential hazards. The cop who uses a helmet, rifle-rated body armor, and an AR-15 to deal with dangerous criminals is deemed guilty of “overkill.”

"All too often, accusations of “militarization” are based more on perception than facts. The critics look at how police look instead of what an officer actually does. Many never consider that the use of military-inspired technology and equipment has pervaded almost every aspect of American life. If law enforcement has become militarized, then the same is true for trauma medicine, aviation, video games, deer hunting, satellite television, GPS navigation, and those giant SUVs the soccer moms drive.

"The last time I checked, actions taken by police officers – including those undertaken while using a helmet, body armor, rifle, and armored vehicle – were still governed by state law, case law, and department policy, all of which were enacted by lawfully elected representatives who were put in place by the citizens of a constitutional republic.

"Those who believe that American law enforcement has become “militarized” should educate themselves about court rulings and laws passed during the past 10 years regarding citizens’ rights to carry firearms in public, use force to protect themselves and their property, and be free from police searches of their homes, vehicles, and persons.

"With very few exceptions, those rights have been and continue to be re-affirmed, reinforced, and expanded by legislation and court decisions. Legal requirements for police departments to be transparent to the public, through open records and FOIA requests, are more powerful than they have ever been.

"There are more restrictions and mandates controlling the actions of police authorities now than at any time in American history. The sky is not falling."

Police militarization and one cop's humble opinion (edited for space)

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I agree. The DOJ report on the Ferguson police department should be sent to every department in the U.S. as a precursor to doing exactly that.

However, this will not stop the African American demographic from engaging in the present levels of criminality, immorality, and dissocialization they do and since they will not then external control is required to regulate it.

The number one reason why African-American social movements to reform law enforcement have failed dismally is because in almost every case, the African-American(s) being touted had a history of committing criminal acts and were in the process of committing criminal acts when they died up to and including assaulting the arresting police officer and trying to take his firearm away from him.

I see most African-Americans supporting criminals, criminality, and immorality solely because the people being regulated by law enforcement for it are black.

Personally, I'm not going to support criminals, criminality, or immorality period regardless of race. If Michael Brown was wholly Caucasian, I wouldn't support him because of that. Dude gets supported or not based on his behavior, the situation, and the context: period.

Why? Because I'm a realist not a racist. Oh but blacks can't be racists because they don't have any power. Tell that to every victim of a black male who's been assaulted, robbed, raped, and/or murdered.

The problem is that we have a militarized police force who are trained to treat us like we are the enemy. Also they are trained to escalate the situation when it can often be resolved without violence. Across the entire nation, police officers need to be retrained