The Bible Has Been Translated Too Many Times to be Trusted?

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I have read through the Bible,which I am not saying that I am more knowledgable than any other saint,because of that,because I do not view myself as better at the word,but we all tell each other things we do not know,or understand thoroughly,but the Bible is the same theme throughout the Bible,Old Testament,and New Testament.

Even if someone believes the Bible is not the original interpretation,it still stands out,both Old,and New,that Jesus is the savior,be saved,led by the Spirit,and love,for love is the fulfilling of the law,do not go along with the world,especially when they are heading towards the beast kingdom,and wait to be united with Jesus.

Even if you only knew that,and went by that,congradulations to you.
 
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mpaper345 said:
I have read through the Bible,which I am not saying that I am more knowledgable than any other saint,because of that,because I do not view myself as better at the word,but we all tell each other things we do not know,or understand thoroughly,but the Bible is the same theme throughout the Bible,Old Testament,and New Testament.

Even if someone believes the Bible is not the original interpretation,it still stands out,both Old,and New,that Jesus is the savior,be saved,led by the Spirit,and love,for love is the fulfilling of the law,do not go along with the world,especially when they are heading towards the beast kingdom,and wait to be united with Jesus.

Even if you only knew that,and went by that,congradulations to you.
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I liked this response best for the question. It is what I am meaning by "plotline". Despite various translations through both in many languages and time itself, the Bible plotline as you have described is the same. Both in the context of the Bible itself, but also in the context outside of the Bible as it being a mere book of books.

The counter-argument though is obviously if the translations are different and the Bible changed that the plotline be different. I'm no official scholar or anything, but I suppose I am a scholar in the semantic sense of can read and write as every on this forum and the internet. Nevertheless I am familiar with some the English renderings and English language. So I know beyond pure belief that indeed the plotline is same in many of the English translations, and even from some studies of few others by other people in either old or foreign tongues, even here, seems to me same in them too.

Lol some people like the math,I'm not a fan of it, but when I encounter this I see it as something like this. 2+2=4 many people say this when trying to demonstrate a certain truth, often absolute truth. Well if that be so that 2+2=4 then behold 2+2 = 70-66 = 100/25 = 1*1+1 = -144,000+144,004 = X. Lol that is the translations themselves. Different equations, same answer. In a way so to the different answers given here in this thread.
 
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sassylady said:
I just read the KJV. Each new translation just gets farther and farther from the original meaning. What is scary to me is how many times I have heard a speaker/pastor say "I like how it sounds in this translation". It is not important for us to like how it sounds, we need the truth.
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I understand your loyalty is to the absolutes of God. But if God never ventured to go to get men by way of understanding their needs to get to His absolutes how short would the bible be? He used parables as re-stated absolutes to gather people to it, not distract them from it. You are right to hedge a bet that Satan will do his best to counterfeit. But worry not Jesus says He's got it under control. Simply apply yourself to the Spirits lead is all. We need not be a victim of Satan's deviant cunning to slap people of our own family in the church over a perceived rightness. When I say, "I like the way it sounds..." I never have lost the spirit's conviction over a translated value over a paraphrased one, I simply am drawn closer to the same truth [not a different one] by way of it's explanation. I don't memorize or put that version on my shelf wearing a crown, I simply use it to get me closer to His absolutes better. "Be anxious about nothing.........." It may not be important to like how it sounds, that I agree with, but it is important to actually live in truth where the rubber meets the road, if liking the way it sounds, and it is not in error, and by liking the way it sounds helps me gather closer to that Spiritual reality in my walk so be it.
 
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I'm not going to lie, Im just waiting on someone to go all KJV-Only on this thread. Those people are normally quite humorous in their ignorance.
 
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AWATUKEE Thank you for the information
 
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I'm curious how those of you reading this would respond to such a claim.
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For those who believe that God has inspired the Bible, there is no greater proof than He would never allow the integrity of the Bible to be violated to a degree that it cannot be of guidance to the believers.
 
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For those who believe that God has inspired the Bible, there is no greater proof than He would never allow the integrity of the Bible to be violated to a degree that it cannot be of guidance to the believers.
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I couldn't agree more. All Scripture is God-Breathed and we can trust in it as being the absolute truth of what God wanted to convey to us for salvation and eternal life, as well as with all biblical topics.
 
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thebesttrees said:
For those who believe that God has inspired the Bible, there is no greater proof than He would never allow the integrity of the Bible to be violated to a degree that it cannot be of guidance to the believers.
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Yes, save two things, it doesn't alter the deity of Christ Jesus, and it never contradicts the Holy Spirit in the Spirits guiding in us. Ultimately, even the bible must be based on faith.
 
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Brother_Don said:
we can always trust the Almighty, Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to clear things up.
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Amen, Brother Don.

If we seek the Holy Spirit's guidance, we will never be led astray.
 
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I would say that is not correct as the word of God is still available to all as God promises the perpetuity of the word.......! And there are numerous "good" translations of the word and not to mention the Greek texts and Hebrew texts available for those who will put in the effort and study the words....!
 
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Nautilus said:
I'm not going to lie, Im just waiting on someone to go all KJV-Only on this thread. Those people are normally quite humorous in their ignorance.
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I wouldn't say that I am "KJV-Only", but I do like it and it is my favorite. If that makes you happy and smiley, then PTL!
 
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I testified in a trial concerning an estate inheritance of thousands of acres of forest. A challenger produced many old letters stating that his family was given the land about the time of the American Civil War. My part was to find and record locations of stacks of rocks marking property corners, and values of parcels of timber. The true owners of the lands, except a few parcels, were able to produce older wills and deeds showing a different line of heirs that didn't match the modern claims.

The original Bible source manuscripts were but single letters entrusted to couriers that took those letters to specific recipients. Once delivered, if they were valued, copies were made and distributed. As copies pf copies emerged, it became easier and easier for scribes to recognize which were in agreement with oldest copies. The faux copies then were burned or erased and copied over. Some faux copies survived. Regardless, ever increasing technologies are affirming which scripts that have survived are the oldest, which are word for word accurately copied. Later copies that were "close" can be useful, but are trumped by the older that agree copy to copy.

If you wrote a letter in 1932 to a relative admitting you burned granny's house down to keep the Law from finding her whiskey still back in 1931, some might copy that letter by hand and send it to other relatives who might want to know what happened to the grand old mansion. Then someone finds a copy in 2013 that states the opposite happened, that the Law burned it down trying to destroy the still. Just a few words changed everything. So the rumor goes out against the truth, until a few produce identical copies proved to be from the late 30's stating the truth. Over time more older copies are found. If the older and older letter copies all or mostly agree, they establish what your original letter revealed, making it harder and harder to promote the false statement.
 
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Hyvent said:
I'm curious how those of you reading this would respond to such a claim.
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How much do you know about the original languages to qualify you to make such an outrageous claim?
 
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There are about 5200 to 5300 extant manuscript's (copies) of the Bible, there are three main manuscript's that the world use today. The Codex Vaticanus (Catholic), Codex Sianaicus (corrupted text of the modern versions), and the Textus Receiptus, the name koined by a Printer, that what the King James is based on and every Bible prior to the King James. Of those 5200 manuscripts we have to date 95% agree with the TR, while only 5% agree with the Catholic Bible and 5% agree with the revered Modern Bibles. :eek:
 
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How much do you know about the original languages to qualify you to make such an outrageous claim?
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See to me it is not how much we know at all, original languages or otherwise. It is if I know the one who knows it all, and I am led by Him that knows it all thru the spirit that testifies to my heart., my only question is if God is making that claim? If He isn't I simply slip by those who are. In this case it is He who says, the claim is outrageous, both by Word and by spirit. God doesn't leave me dumb in this process of life in the spirit, but He doesn't require my knowledge as a prerequisite to faithful living and eternal life. Ultimately, what we are talking about is not whether or not we are teachers of bible history here, we are talking about whether or not we should trust the bible in modern form. If you knew everything about original language and said not to follow it, I still would believe it based on who I know, not on what I know. Apologetics can support God but Faithfulness can bypass Apologetics in a heartbeat.
 
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One beef I have:

I acknowledge the KJV isn't the re-inspired Word of God.. that some churches similar to mine actually do believe..but then it is a common notion among todays christians to not read it because of something along the lines of 'its archaic'... 'the old English is too hard to read'

Now some of these christians probably studied Shakespeare at High School or College. They most likely took great attention to it and appreciated it.. and would never rip it up or stop reading it.

The KJV is THE SAME KIND OF ENGLISH AS SHAKESPEARE!!!

It's beautiful.. majestic.. classical English.

Once you get used to it.. it's very concise.. clear and easy to read.

So to all who would go to the point of poo pooing the KJV because it is old English.. you wouldn't do that with other classical literature your English teacher gave you at High School and College!

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wattie said:
One beef I have:

I acknowledge the KJV isn't the re-inspired Word of God.. that some churches similar to mine actually do believe..but then it is a common notion among todays christians to not read it because of something along the lines of 'its archaic'... 'the old English is too hard to read'

Now some of these christians probably studied Shakespeare at High School or College. They most likely took great attention to it and appreciated it.. and would never rip it up or stop reading it.

The KJV is THE SAME KIND OF ENGLISH AS SHAKESPEARE!!!

It's beautiful.. majestic.. classical English.

Once you get used to it.. it's very concise.. clear and easy to read.

So to all who would go to the point of poo pooing the KJV because it is old English.. you wouldn't do that with other classical literature your English teacher gave you at High School and College!

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Amen, Amen, Amen. Beautiful and Majestic. That's what the Holy Spirit has made it for me also. Everything comes together wonderfully in the KJV. Who could ask for more? My Portuguese Bible translates from KJV almost word for word.
 
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See to me it is not how much we know at all, original languages or otherwise. It is if I know the one who knows it all, and I am led by Him that knows it all thru the spirit that testifies to my heart., my only question is if God is making that claim? If He isn't I simply slip by those who are. In this case it is He who says, the claim is outrageous, both by Word and by spirit. God doesn't leave me dumb in this process of life in the spirit, but He doesn't require my knowledge as a prerequisite to faithful living and eternal life. Ultimately, what we are talking about is not whether or not we are teachers of bible history here, we are talking about whether or not we should trust the bible in modern form. If you knew everything about original language and said not to follow it, I still would believe it based on who I know, not on what I know. Apologetics can support God but Faithfulness can bypass Apologetics in a heartbeat.
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This is not at all about how much we know, it is about a way of reading the text to see what the text reveals.
 
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