No substance in Trumps message

[Viligant_Warrior]

The problem with Trumps detractors is that they are unable to attack his positions without shining the light on their own ridiculous positions. This is why they go after his character instead.

He is the only Republican candidate who doesn't have a detailed "Positions" page on his website, so they have nothing to attack but his character -- which is, in my opinion, (does that meet with your approval, buddy? ) just as empty and useless as is his "Positions" page, which is a "Johnny-OneNote" recitation of bland generalities and no substance on immigration.

 

[Desdichado]

He is the only Republican candidate who doesn't have a detailed "Positions" page on his website, so they have nothing to attack but his character -- which is, in my opinion, (does that meet with your approval, buddy? ) just as empty and useless as is his "Positions" page, which is a "Johnny-OneNote" recitation of bland generalities and no substance on immigration.

Given how much work candidates actually put into those pieces, it probably doesn't matter.

 

[Sirk]

Given how much work candidates actually put into those pieces, it probably doesn't matter.

Very true. Aside from the fact that somebody else writes them FOR them....history proves that it's mostly empty words anyway. It seems that politicians are very adept at telling their followers exactly what they want to hear and that's good enough. lol.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obama's "blizzard of campaign lies" evidences there is little to no actual accountability involved when candidates "chameleon" by presenting themselves as one person to get elected and then reveal their true nature afterwards and do the exact opposite.

I don't even bother with what candidates say. It's a waste of time. I look at their record, what they've done in the past, as the roadmap to what they'll do in the future.

In the case of Obama, the truth was right there in his historical behavior not in his words. But the average voter is grossly ignorant and easily deceived. Obama took advantage of that and successfully exploited it outright lying, as a matter of course, to get elected.

The Chief Strategist for Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, David Axelrod, has written a book which discusses Obama's premediated campaign of lies toward winning election thru deceit. It's a fascinating read. For example, Obama purposefully deceived American voters by claiming he opposed same-sex marriage while he expressed to David that he supported homosexual marriage all along. David said Obama was a serial liar who used lying as a strategy to win whenever he believed it lying would help him.

And why not? Obama is an immoral, amoral, person who cannot be held criminally or civilly accountable for his lies win or lose. Lying is just a tool in his toolbox to deceive others to get what he wants.

And that's really the problem isn't it. There's no systemic accountability for a liar who gains office by deceit. The worst that can happen is people won't reelect them if they figure it out. Of course, they'll just mitigate that by lying further. Lol.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Very true. Aside from the fact that somebody else writes them FOR them....history proves that it's mostly empty words anyway. It seems that politicians are very adept at telling their followers exactly what they want to hear and that's good enough. lol.

That's why you gotta go by their record. It's not a 100% indicator of what they'll do, but by knowing what their record is in the past you can get a fair grasp of their attitude, their policy stances, and how they would go about governance. Only problem where this pertains to Trump is just like with Fiorina and Carson, he has no record.

 

[Sirk]

Obama's "blizzard of campaign lies" evidences there is little to no actual accountability involved when candidates "chameleon" by presenting themselves as one person to get elected and then reveal their true nature afterwards and do the exact opposite.

I don't even bother with what candidates say. It's a waste of time. I look at their record, what they've done in the past, as the roadmap to what they'll do in the future.

In the case of Obama, the truth was right there in his historical behavior not in his words. But the average voter is grossly ignorant and easily deceived. Obama took advantage of that and successfully exploited it outright lying, as a matter of course, to get elected.

The Chief Strategist for Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, David Axelrod, has written a book which discusses Obama's premediated campaign of lies toward winning election thru deceit. It's a fascinating read. For example, Obama purposefully deceived American voters by claiming he opposed same-sex marriage while he expressed to David that he supported homosexual marriage all along. David said Obama was a serial liar who used lying as a strategy to win whenever he believed it lying would help him.

And why not? Obama is an immoral, amoral, person who cannot be held criminally or civilly accountable for his lies win or lose. Lying is just a tool in his toolbox to deceive others to get what he wants.

And that's really the problem isn't it. There's no systemic accountability for a liar who gains office by deceit. The worst that can happen is people won't reelect them if they figure it out. Of course, they'll just mitigate that by lying further. Lol.

This is the job the media is supposed to do. One way that we could hold the politicians accountable is thru the media. By simply turning it off. The problem is that most people are conditioned that they need to be told what to believe. There are very few people who actually think for themselves....regardless of political affiliation.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

See: http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/121272-no-substance-trumps-message.html#post2281493

This is the job the media is supposed to do. One way that we could hold the politicians accountable is thru the media. By simply turning it off. The problem is that most people are conditioned that they need to be told what to believe. There are very few people who actually think for themselves....regardless of political affiliation.

 

[Sirk]

See: http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/121272-no-substance-trumps-message.html#post2281493

The establishment is starting to panic that trump could actually win. He is getting Obama sized crowds. Ya ya...I know..they're brainwashed idiots.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

[Los Angeles Daily News] un-endorsement: It’s not too soon to say Anybody But Trump

As an election approaches, it’s best to consider the pluses and minuses of all serious candidates for as long as possible, to keep an open mind until it’s time to choose. This applies to voters and to newspaper editorial boards..

But that principle has exceptions. And the 2016 presidential election presents a big, ugly one.

This editorial board has already heard enough from one candidate. Let’s not be coy: Fourteen months before the general election, we already can say for sure that if Donald Trump is the Republican Party’s nominee, we will not endorse him.

His platform — including impractical immigration proposals based on falsehoods and exaggerations — and his personal style would be bad for America. He would be an election-day loser for a party desperate to reverse its recent fortunes in national races and appeal to a changing voting population. His rise to the top of the Republican candidate polls was funny for a while, but it’s time for the sensible majority of the electorate to stand up and say “enough.”

Consider this a plea to people who wouldn’t think of voting for Trump in November 2016 to state their position to his Republican supporters before they make a terrible mistake.

Amen to that!

 

[skipp]

"A party desperate to reverse its recent fortunes in national races and appeal to a changing voting population"

This type of attitude is why Trump is popular. The GOP establishment is more interested in copying the Democrats on immigration matters than they are in listening to the actual concerns of the American public on immigration. The American public is tired of getting sold out on this. The big shots in the GOP want the Hispanic vote so they are willing to sell us all out to get that. Trump isn't letting them get away with that. That's one reason I like the guy, he's put issues like this in the forefront.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

"A party desperate to reverse its recent fortunes in national races and appeal to a changing voting population"

This type of attitude is why Trump is popular. The GOP establishment is more interested in copying the Democrats on immigration matters than they are in listening to the actual concerns of the American public on immigration. The American public is tired of getting sold out on this. The big shots in the GOP want the Hispanic vote so they are willing to sell us all out to get that. Trump isn't letting them get away with that. That's one reason I like the guy, he's put issues like this in the forefront.

You and Sirk need to wake up to the fact that, outside of Jeb and Graham -- and maybe Gilmore -- the GOP establishment is not running for president!

Man! Trump people whine and complain about the GOP establishment and ignore the fact that of the other 15 remaining, 12 of 'em have never held national office. Sheez!

 

[Sirk]

You and Sirk need to wake up to the fact that, outside of Jeb and Graham -- and maybe Gilmore -- the GOP establishment is not running for president!

Man! Trump people whine and complain about the GOP establishment and ignore the fact that of the other 15 remaining, 12 of 'em have never held national office. Sheez!

But do any of them have the nuts to stand up to the special interest/lobbyists....and furthermore.....I am not a Trump people! If Karl Rove endorses.... it's the GOP establishment. I'm waiting to see who he doesn't endorse. Lol

 

[Sirk]

"A party desperate to reverse its recent fortunes in national races and appeal to a changing voting population"

This type of attitude is why Trump is popular. The GOP establishment is more interested in copying the Democrats on immigration matters than they are in listening to the actual concerns of the American public on immigration. The American public is tired of getting sold out on this. The big shots in the GOP want the Hispanic vote so they are willing to sell us all out to get that. Trump isn't letting them get away with that. That's one reason I like the guy, he's put issues like this in the forefront.

I'm with you on that....and he is popular among hispanics....go figure. Even the conservatives in the hispanic community know that the "Grand old Party" is full of crap. Lol

 

[GodIsSalvation]

You and Sirk need to wake up to the fact that, outside of Jeb and Graham -- and maybe Gilmore -- the GOP establishment is not running for president!

Man! Trump people whine and complain about the GOP establishment and ignore the fact that of the other 15 remaining, 12 of 'em have never held national office. Sheez!

You might want to fact check that one. Off the top of my head I know Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Paul, Graham, and Santorum have all held or are currently holding elected national government offices (all except Kasich being Senators, Kasich was in the House of Representatives.)

I think you mean to say only 12 of the 15 have any actual government experience or a record to speak of.

As for GOP establishment, they all are the GOP establishment. Every single one of them has connections to the GOP prior to this election cycle and have themselves supported or been supported by the GOP establishment. This "anti-establishment" propaganda is just that, propaganda.

 

[maxwel]

That's why you gotta go by their record. It's not a 100% indicator of what they'll do, but by knowing what their record is in the past you can get a fair grasp of their attitude, their policy stances, and how they would go about governance. Only problem where this pertains to Trump is just like with Fiorina and Carson, he has no record.

Yeah, but he makes me laugh.

That has to be worth something.

 

[Sirk]

Yeah, but he makes me laugh.

That has to be worth something.

He talks like me and the guys talk on the jobsite. That is worth a lot. I'm the anti stuffy person. In fact....it is my my mission that when I go to wal mart to create some sort of discomfort in the checkout line. Lol

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Yeah, but he makes me laugh.

That has to be worth something.

He makes me laugh too. There's a whole host of comedians that make me laugh, but they won't become president either.

 

[Sirk]

You might want to fact check that one. Off the top of my head I know Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, Paul, Graham, and Santorum have all held or are currently holding elected national government offices (all except Kasich being Senators, Kasich was in the House of Representatives.)

I think you mean to say only 12 of the 15 have any actual government experience or a record to speak of.

As for GOP establishment, they all are the GOP establishment. Every single one of them has connections to the GOP prior to this election cycle and have themselves supported or been supported by the GOP establishment. This "anti-establishment" propaganda is just that, propaganda.

In the end..there will be only one that doesn't need money to keep it going. Every single one of the others will end up being indebted to someone. An indebted President is no president at all.....no matter how palatable their policy positions are..... IMO.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

In the end..there will be only one that doesn't need money to keep it going. Every single one of the others will end up being indebted to someone. An indebted President is no president at all.....no matter how palatable their policy positions are..... IMO.

Lol so Trump will be indebted to serve himself even more. Trump is all about Trump, everyone knows this all ready.

Trump won't win, I have espied out the Trump Card against Trump. It is a claim he himself made, which if he cannot live up to it, he cannot be president, or if he is elected, the office of president would have to cease to exist lol. Watch and listen to him closely from a few weeks ago, mayhap you will spy it out too.

 

[Sirk]

Lol so Trump will be indebted to serve himself even more. Trump is all about Trump, everyone knows this all ready.

Trump won't win, I have espied out the Trump Card against Trump. It is a claim he himself made, which if he cannot live up to it, he cannot be president, or if he is elected, the office of president would have to cease to exist lol. Watch and listen to him closely from a few weeks ago, mayhap you will spy it out too.

I'll listen but I'm not ready to rule him out yet.