What's the difference between the enemy and karma?

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NoRedemptionBeyondRepair

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What's the difference between the works of the enemy and karma or Mother Nature?
Is everything bad from the enemy? How do we know if the enemy is working?
Is the enemy considered to be "satan" or "demons" or both at times?
Is cancer and sickness from the enemy?
I read these verses and made me wonder about how the enemy worked.

1 Peter 5:8 Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. Stand firm against him, and be strong in your faith. Remember that your Christian brothers and sisters all over the world are going through the same kind of suffering you are.

John 10:10 The thiefs purpose is to kill steal and destroy. He hates you and wants you cut off completely from God forever.
 

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What's the difference between the works of the enemy and karma or Mother Nature?
Is everything bad from the enemy? How do we know if the enemy is working?
Is the enemy considered to be "satan" or "demons" or both at times?
Is cancer and sickness from the enemy?
I read these verses and made me wonder about how the enemy worked.

1 Peter 5:8 Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. Stand firm against him, and be strong in your faith. Remember that your Christian brothers and sisters all over the world are going through the same kind of suffering you are.

John 10:10 The thiefs purpose is to kill steal and destroy. He hates you and wants you cut off completely from God forever.
Works of the enemy...lying, deception, instills doubt, aims to pull our heart away from God.
Karma...a superstition of pagans which is sort of a 'reaping what you sow' but without the true God.
Mother Nature...a pagan substitute for Father God. Nature is fallen and is not our Mother.

God can use good or evil and he can allow the devil to work calamity but God has also the power to turn evil intentions of satan around for good. Whether it is God or the enemy at work, we are to look to God for guidance and strength.

The enemy is Satan and his demon cohorts and our flesh (fallen nature).

Sickness ultimately is from satan thru the Fall but God allows it at times.

(wish there were more sincere questions like this on CC, instead of the constant squabbling)
 
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People in the west don't even have a clue what karma is. It is that your actions in this life affect your reincarnation in the next life. Nothing to do with what comes around goes around. (If you are nice to someone today, someone will be nice to you tomorrow. That is coincidence, not karma!)

Obviously as Christians, we do not believe in reincarnation and certainly not karma. The Bible is clear that "it is appointed for man to die once, after that, the judgement." Hebrews 9:27

As for evil, it exists. But Jesus conquered it. So instead of focusing on evil and Satan, why not focus on Jesus?

Do you know Jesus as your Lord and Saviour? It is not just about praying a prayer and going on with your life. It is about repenting, turning from your own sin and evil, and following after Jesus the rest of your life.

That means seeking God in prayer, reading the Bible, and fellowshipping with other Christians. PM me if you want to know more.
 
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What's the difference between the works of the enemy and karma or Mother Nature?
Works of the Enemy: Evil/ill intent of a scorned being.
Karma: An eastern notion having to do with fate.
Mother nature: A personification of nature, possibly of ancient Greek origin.
 
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People in the west don't even have a clue what karma is. It is that your actions in this life affect your reincarnation in the next life. Nothing to do with what comes around goes around. (If you are nice to someone today, someone will be nice to you tomorrow. That is coincidence, not karma!)

Obviously as Christians, we do not believe in reincarnation and certainly not karma. The Bible is clear that "it is appointed for man to die once, after that, the judgement." Hebrews 9:27

As for evil, it exists. But Jesus conquered it. So instead of focusing on evil and Satan, why not focus on Jesus?

Do you know Jesus as your Lord and Saviour? It is not just about praying a prayer and going on with your life. It is about repenting, turning from your own sin and evil, and following after Jesus the rest of your life.

That means seeking God in prayer, reading the Bible, and fellowshipping with other Christians. PM me if you want to know more.
I'm not solely focusing on evil..."Obviously" I just didn't know. Post like yours Angela make me not want to ask questions. Your post only sounded condescending and unhelpful to me and "obviously" like I should have already known...


"Do you know Jesus as your Lord and Saviour? It is not just about praying a prayer and going on with your life. It is about repenting, turning from your own sin and evil, and following after Jesus the rest of your life.

That means seeking God in prayer, reading the Bible, and fellowshipping with other Christians. PM me if you want to know more."

Stop assuming sh*t about me just because I asked some questions! How am I gonna stand up if I don't even know my enemy? I read my bible...daily! Even well into the night! I pray, and I seek Jesus. So before you arrogantly jump the gun and patronize me or others for that matter with asking if I even know Jesus and what Christians "obviously" should know or don't know with the do's/donts, maybe you should take a step back and not be so judgmental on my "saved" state.
 
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Works of the enemy...lying, deception, instills doubt, aims to pull our heart away from God.
Karma...a superstition of pagans which is sort of a 'reaping what you sow' but without the true God.
Mother Nature...a pagan substitute for Father God. Nature is fallen and is not our Mother.

God can use good or evil and he can allow the devil to work calamity but God has also the power to turn evil intentions of satan around for good. Whether it is God or the enemy at work, we are to look to God for guidance and strength.

The enemy is Satan and his demon cohorts and our flesh (fallen nature).

Sickness ultimately is from satan thru the Fall but God allows it at times.

(wish there were more sincere questions like this on CC, instead of the constant squabbling)
Why do you think God allows it sometimes? For punishment?
 
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There are different versions about Karma. Within Buddhist philosophy Angela is correct in that it refers to how the actions in this life will affect their re-birth and next life. So its not one Christians accept. But there are many other sociologists who think of it more in terms of - if you do good it has its own rewards - either because u get something back in return (even if its just that people like you) or you have caused good in the world that ripples out through people. The same is said for when you do bad things. An aggressive remark to someone may come right back at you as an aggressive remark or at the least cause harm to that person who in turn suffers and that suffering affects those around her.

I like the latter version of Karma and I actually try to think about it a lot because I'd like to think it helps me be a better person and stops me doing some of the crap Im tempted to do.

Ás for the rest of your questions...theres others here that have answered it better than I could so I'll leave it at that. And don't worry about asking questions - what floats through your head as questions or doubts floats through all our heads or did at some point. :)
Zoii
 

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Karma and Mother nature are not Biblical concepts but both pagan.. I know many other people have explained this position but I think I should just touch on it again...

The theory that you do good and good things happen to you... Well if this was true: why was Christ crucified, whipped, tortured, spit on, and turned away from... He saved the world with His life, yet the best action the world has ever known does not reward Him with Karma...

Now it is true that God uses everything for good for those who love Him (Romans 8:28). But notice the verse says "For those that love God". This puts a specific meaning and purpose.. This means that if you are a good person who does not love God, than the verse does not apply... Which means that the definition of Karma is not true.

Another reason I hate "Karma" so much is because it is a huge stumbling block for people to accept Christ...

Example: whenever you are preaching the Gospel, people will retort "I am a good person". Some people think that they say this because it means that their good deed outweigh their bad and therefore they do not get sent to hell...
I have another theory, I think it is because the term Karma has been so ingrained in the American culture that they believe since they call themselves good, that only good things will come to them: thus negating hell from their lives... I know it follows the same end result but the means are completely different.

The belief in Karma is very very unbiblical... And I would caution you highly to not accept it...




Also the term mother nature, suggests that Nature, is it's own supreme being. Without the need of God... If you want me to elaborate on this I can... But I would suggest staying away from this term as well...
 
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Oh u see I think of Karma as a principle of life - not some mystical force (though I know others do ). The principle being, if your a nice person you tend to have better interactions with people, you tend to be more positive and generally more positive things happen to you and those connected with as a result of your attitude.

The reverse is true too
 

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Now to get to your question about
Is everything bad from the enemy? How do we know if the enemy is working?
Is the enemy considered to be "satan" or "demons" or both at times?
Is cancer and sickness from the enemy?
I read these verses and made me wonder about how the enemy worked.

I will try to answer them.
Satans Goal is to overthrow God and become God... This is not possible because God is God, He is the "I AM".
Anyways, God is Love, Truth, Life... These actions, feelings, and characteristics that we know, are resemblances of God Himself. The word love does not describe Gods feelings but describes God himself (1 John 4:8) (1 John 4:16).
Since the words love, truth, holiness, etc. are God, than whatever is not of God is against God. (Matthew 12:30)
This means that Satan is not Love, Truth, Holiness, or Life... But he is Lies, Hate, Sin, and Death.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So yes everything Bad is from Satan... He is the father of evil.




I would suggest that the enemy is Satan, the reasoning for this is because Satan is the father of evil.

As Christians we only do Good because of Christ, our redeemer. Since He payed for us in blood.
The enemy does evil because they belong to Satan and are in chains to him.
Ephesians 6:12 says 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So now, you can look at this in two ways. First, if America was at war with England. Some people would say "Obama is at war with Queen Elizabeth." And that would be correct. others might say "America is at war with England" and that would also be correct. In both cases the enemy (whether it be england or america) was shown. So the answer could be both in my opinion.



Cancer and Sickness are repercussions for our sin... It is a fallen world... Cancer and Sickness are because of our sin. And our ancestors sin... Romans 5:12-18
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


Also Revelations 21:4 suggests that pain and suffering was not in Gods original design.. Since he is going to bring the creation back to it's Glory once He comes back since he holds the deed in his hand. Because he rose from the grave.


Now can satan cause pain and suffering and disease... Yes, you can see that in the book of Job he caused all of these things.
 

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Oh u see I think of Karma as a principle of life - not some mystical force (though I know others do ). The principle being, if your a nice person you tend to have better interactions with people, you tend to be more positive and generally more positive things happen to you and those connected with as a result of your attitude.

The reverse is true too
Can u explain that if that principle of life is true... Why was Christ rejected by everyone... And why did people hate him when he only wanted to bring them eternal life...
Yet, Satan brings death and destruction and people worship his ways...
 
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Oh I think its an extension of what the new testament teaches... be a decent person. The rest I guess is my own logic of what I think. If your a nasty person sooner or later bad things r going to come your way... mayb in your marriage, mayb ur kids will hate you, mayb u will get arrested.... or maybe ur anger will make u walk in front of a truck

On the other hand being a nice person brings the reverse rewards. Now if u are asking me to support this from the bible ... then I don't know it well enough to do that - im just saying what I think n what I try n live to
 

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Oh I think its an extension of what the new testament teaches... be a decent person. The rest I guess is my own logic of what I think. If your a nasty person sooner or later bad things r going to come your way... mayb in your marriage, mayb ur kids will hate you, mayb u will get arrested.... or maybe ur anger will make u walk in front of a truck

On the other hand being a nice person brings the reverse rewards. Now if u are asking me to support this from the bible ... then I don't know it well enough to do that - im just saying what I think n what I try n live to
Okay so since you cannot find a bible verse and still think that this view is correct... Let me ask you this...

Why do drug lords and cartel kings have millions of dollars, and they prosper like crazy...
While honest hard working men are lucky to have a roof over their heads?

Why do liars and cheats get rich and prosper...
While honest men struggle...



And it is not an extension of what the New Testament teaches...

The New Testament as well with the Old Testament teaches that you are a horrid and evil person that is damned to hell. BUT by the grace of God and through His death on the cross you can have eternal life...

It does not matter whether you have sinned once or a trillion times... Christ has payed this sin...
And the new testament teaches that if you follow Christ the world will hate you...(John 15:18) (Matthew 24:9)(Matthew 10:22)


The Bible teaches that if you are the best person you can be (by following Christ) the world will hate and persecute you. That people will turn against you, and those people could be your family, spouse, and children.

So your world view is incorrect.
 
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The drug dealer gets jailed n the honest man may still not be wealthy but has the respect of people. Simple examples n not unbiblical. Im not asking u to share my view. Im just saying what i feel is a good way for me to think
 

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The drug dealer gets jailed n the honest man may still not be wealthy but has the respect of people. Simple examples n not unbiblical. Im not asking u to share my view. Im just saying what i feel is a good way for me to think
It is unbiblical... Let me give you some bible versus since you cannot see simple examples that show the world for what it is.

Job 21:7
Why do the wicked live on, growing old and increasing in power?

Psalm 73:3
For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

Jeremiah 12:1
Righteous art thou, O LORD, when I plead with thee: yet let me talk with thee of thy judgments: Wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper? wherefore are all they happy that deal very treacherously?




As you can see here, your view on 'Karma' contradicts reality.
 
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Maybe calling it karma is not a good word for it. Maybe what you sow you will reap is a better way of putting it. its biblical.
 
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as for a difference, when we sow to the flesh its pleases the enemy, the flesh is the enemy. When we sow to the Spirit it pleases God, God is Spirit.
 
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It is unbiblical... Let me give you some bible versus since you cannot see simple examples that show the world for what it is.

Job 21:7
Why do the wicked live on, growing old and increasing in power?

Psalm 73:3
For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

Jeremiah 12:1
Righteous art thou, O LORD, when I plead with thee: yet let me talk with thee of thy judgments: Wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper? wherefore are all they happy that deal very treacherously?




As you can see here, your view on 'Karma' contradicts reality.
@T-Laurich if it pleases u to call it wot u like that's OK...I wasn't suggesting u think like I think...or anyone else for that matter - Im just expressing my opinion and how I like to behave (well at least try to) . I think acting positive n kind ripples through the world and often like a wave comes back to you. Acting hatefuly does the same thing, and like a wave often comes back to you in some fashion.

you don't need to live like how I think...I'm not suggesting that for a moment T_laurich - though personally ive always had a problem how the wicked can rape murder and despise all their life and if they repent in the last moments of their life they get the warm welcoming arms of jesus.... that has always seemed unfair to me though I know that's what the bible says.
 

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karma says good things happen to you because you've done good things, and bad things, because you've done bad things.
it is self-centered: it says you are in control of your own blessings.

but God is the one who gives all good things, and God doesn't give us what we deserve; He gives us mercy.

karma is like working for righteousness, and for rewards, and it has no mercy or grace. when you are blessed, karma says you are the one to thank for it. it is true that we people reap what they sow, but God also blesses all people, and tests us with troubles to cause us to grow, when we haven't done things that karma would say explain those things.

think about Job - does karma fit with his story? Job't friends were telling him, in effect, it's because of karma that he suffered - but the truth is, it wasn't. and that we are saved by God's grace, because we believe the One who did the work to save us - this isn't karma at all.

karma has this idea that if we do some 'good' things it can outweigh other things we do that are wrong. that there is a sort of balance scale we should try to tip in our favor, so if we do wrong, we should do a bunch of right to make up for it. but the gospel - that no amount of right on our part can tip that scale, instead, Christ has put a 20-ton rock on the other side, declaring us righteous by faith, and unless we deny Him, the scale ain't moving anymore, and 'good' and 'bad' things that happen to us in this life originate from other forces.

karma is a subtle lie - there is some truth, because yes, actions have consequences, but there is a deception in karma, because God's actions also have consequences, great consequences for us! and these outweigh our own. also, there are 'consequences' in all of our lives with unseen 'actions' and 'actions' whose 'consequences' are forgiven.
 
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Why do you think God allows it sometimes? For punishment?
I asked those questions too.

I found a few answers in the book of Job. Sometimes bad things happen to test us. The Bible says that rejoice when trials come because it leads to patience. I can find the verse latter of you like, but there are many reasons we might be facing hardship. Sometimes it might be chastenment to have us turn back to God.

However if in our hearts we know we never departed from God as Job was faithful then we must pray and allow God will be done and ask Him for understanding.


People should not be false as eliphaz and job other friends were and accuse him of sin when they have no basis. Remember Jesus suffered and died on the cross and was sinless. Sin causes suffering but it might not be the victims sin that is the cause.

Don't know if that makes any sense.

Hope God keeps and blessed you and you keep asking questions. Questions are a sign of intelligence and deep thought. I hope everyone strives to understand God