The Law Debacle Resolved

[eternally-gratefull]

No misquote, seems you have a problem with the words of God, not mine.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

I highlight and underline so people might be able to see the message better.

yep..

So you better be perfect if your under law

Or saved by Christ and come out from under the law.

those are your two choices.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes, fear. Fear that people will see your doctrine for what it really is.

You must have me confused with those who have not the love of God dwelling in their hearts, they have fear. But perfect love casts out fear.

1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You must have me confused with those who have not the love of God dwelling in their hearts, they have fear. But perfect love casts out fear.

1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Perfect love... Right. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question for a brother in Christ. Some love.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No misquote, seems you have a problem with the words of God, not mine.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

I highlight and underline so people might be able to see the message better.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously, you're someone limited to repeating what others tell him. The Greek saws "sin is lawlessness", not "sin is transgression of the law". Here's what it really says:

Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4​

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Perfect love... Right. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question for a brother in Christ. Some love.

And you suggesting I have a mental disorder (post #79) is showing you are truly "in Christ" and showing the love of God in you? LOL Hateful words and attitudes speak volumes to me as well when it comes to those who proclaim to be "in Christ'.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And you suggesting I have a mental disorder (post #79) is showing you are truly "in Christ" and showing the love of God in you? LOL Hateful words and attitudes speak volumes to me as well when it comes to those who proclaim to be "in Christ'.

The way you think? Yeah, I would call it a mental disorder. A mind too afraid to answer a simple yes or no question. Bizarre.

 

[Sirk]

And you suggesting I have a mental disorder (post #79) is showing you are truly "in Christ" and showing the love of God in you? LOL Hateful words and attitudes speak volumes to me as well when it comes to those who proclaim to be "in Christ'.

Why does it offend you..whatever they are suggesting?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously, you're someone limited to repeating what others tell him. The Greek saws "sin is lawlessness", not "sin is transgression of the law". Here's what it really says:

Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4​

I quote scripture and you try to deny it, and you then try to twist it's meaning as if transgressing God's law is not sin somehow? What do you think lawlessness is? LOL!

Daniel considered transgressing the law a sin, just as not obeying Gods voice (commands) is a sin as well.

Daniel 9:11
Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him."

Well, if you don't believe sin is the transgression of the law, then perhaps you'll believe this...

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin:.....

Now, are you going to tell me that Gods law is not righteous as well? LOL

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Why does it offend you..whatever they are suggesting?

It just proves they are unable to bridle their tongues from speaking hateful words, as you know first hand as well. This is not of God's Spirit.

James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The way you think? Yeah, I would call it a mental disorder.

Well, some thought John and Jesus had a devil so I'm in good company then.

 

[Sirk]

It just proves they are unable to bridle their tongues from speaking hateful words, as you know first hand as well. This is not of God's Spirit.

James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

But the bible commands us to bless those who persecute us. Jesus himself said these words....at least to pray for them....same thing really.

 

[Karraster]

But the bible commands us to bless those who persecute us.

Is speaking the truth not a blessing?

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Grace, Law? What about it? How do we resolve it.

KennethC gave me and all a reminder in Just-Me's wonderful thread on PHARISEES.

Here is the solution.

Do what Jesus teaches and did.

If you feel a need to argue this, you need His help right away.

Thank you Just-Me and KennethC..........

Do what Jesus teaches?
We who believe in Him all aspire to do what He has taught and teaches. That is sound advice, Amen brother Jack.

Do what Jesus did?
We cannot raise the dead,walk on water, turn water into wine, be a propitiation for our own sins and the sins of others. We can not do many of the things that only Jesus could. Praise,glory and honor be to Him who saves sinners like us.

[video=youtube;-FHwdx5BIvc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FHwdx5BIvc[/video]
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[Sirk]

Is speaking the truth not a blessing?

I'm afraid to answer you honestly for fear that you will condemn me. Not that I would believe you if you did...just that I got better things to do than get crossways with people on an internet forum.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I quote scripture and you try to deny it, and you then try to twist it's meaning as if transgressing God's law is not sin somehow? What do you think lawlessness is? LOL!

Lawlessness has always been the same from Adam until now: not having faith in GOD and not loving one's neighbor.

 

[Biblelogic01]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously, you're someone limited to repeating what others tell him. The Greek saws "sin is lawlessness", not "sin is transgression of the law". Here's what it really says:

Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4​

And in simple English this means, if one breaks the law, they have sinned.

The OP is on the fact that we should try to be like Jesus, which I agree with.

Now I know we're not perfect, but that should not keep us from striving to be.

That's why Jesus died, so we can obtain that grace and mercy when we fall.

This does not mean He died so we can be intentionally disobedient and then use Him as a get out of jail card.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:2-3
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[atwhatcost]

Atwc, you seem to be 'proving many points' too today, is that your point?

Same point -- either walk it, or don't preach it like you are. None of us walk it perfectly. Is that so hard to admit? Is that too much to agree with? Apparently.

 

[atwhatcost]

I think they know they have been found out to the masses. A cover-up is under way.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/123495-lets-talk-about-pharisees.html


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/122303-how-spot-legalist.html


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/123400-ignore-button-abuse-ignorance-not-bliss.html

Personally, I think Ben had a point. You push the envelope, place the bull's eye on you on multiple posts, just about clogging up the board with them, and then act like you have no idea why everyone is up in arms. Don't play the victim.

(I'm not a victim either.)

 

[JaumeJ]

All you need do is try your best while always confessing your faults to the Father. He forgives us. As long as we truly desire to please Him it is like when the publican prayed asking God to have mercy on him, a sinner. He went home justified while the Pharisee wh thought himself fine and dandy did not. You remember, right?

We must attempt to be perfect for one day we will be perfect. God says so, You will be perfect for I am perfect. This is not a command, it is a promise............just try, and you ae beloved of the Father, and dof the family, and that includes me I believe. Praise God. Obey Him...........amen

No one has answered my question yet. How ..How do we..Do what Jesus teaches and did."

Kefa