Is the Old Testament the Old Law? Should we Follow it?

[just-me]

The term Law used by Christians is inaccurate. The Hebrew name Torah which is translated as Law really means Teaching or instruction. Originally it was the term used just for the five books of Moses but later included the whole of the Old Testament.
Jesus fulfilled the whole of the Torah. He emphasised the spirit of the Torah rather than the letter. An example of this is his teaching on Adultery. In modern Judaism the idea has been extended to the teachings of the Rabbis in the Talmud and other
Jewish writings.

I agree. The word "law" from the Greek to the English is a general nomenclature for 4 things within the law ingredient (Torah), and most don't know how to distinguish their differences.

(בְּרִיתִ) Covenant (Exodus 24:7) confederacy, league
(תּוֹרָה) Law Torah “decalogue” (Exodus 24:12), the related Greek word “dialog” is reasoning with a spoken word
(צָוָה) commandment (Deuteronomy 1:3) to constitute
(דָּבָר ) “10 commandments” 10 sayings/10words (Exodus 34:28)
(עֵדוּת) testimony placed within the ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:2)

Notice that the Hebrew words are not the same, but they are all connected in the same purpose.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who are you to interpret bible like that compared to christians who interpret it as "Follow the same laws as the jews"

But thanks for your opinion

So it is different, Who says christians interpret that way you just said? Christians I know do not interpret it that way. so what makes you more right then them?

I guess what Paul said in gal 3 means nothing?

That was arrogant dude. If you want people to listen to you. Try to lighten up a little bit, and at least show where I was wrong.

 

[Least]

Since you know about their beliefs, do you know if they are followers of the 119 ministries? And are you?

I have no idea what the 119 ministries are. However, if you are tying to lump people together into a certain movement based on a few things that you believe are similar, the same argument can be made of certain Jehovah's witness or Catholic teachings that "seem" to line up with what you believe, along with other religious sects. That does not make you a Jehovah's witness or a Catholic...right? I don't follow the once saved always saved doctrine, but I can agree with some of the things that they share that are biblical. That doesn't make me part of that specific sect.

I've known Just_us_two for a few years, and I am confident about saying that she sticks with the word and is diligent about studying and seeking the truth in Christ, as we all should be. That would probably end 99 percent of all arguments.

We should all share that common bond as brothers and sisters in Christ.

It also has nothing to do with following specific people...if we were all seeking the truth in Christ alone, I have a feeling that absolutely wonderful things would happen here on CC that would witness to many people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

? I dont believe you are interpreting it correctly according to logic.
Jesus said this While preaching to the people, there arent people under the Old and under the New covenant, why are we New?
The bibles were written way after jesus death, so you have to take what Jesus said and make sense with it.

Please correct me if im wrong.

The OT was written before, in fact it had been 400 years since there was even a prophet.

So you are wrong saying bible was written after.. only 1/2 right.

 

[just-me]

Commandments are a word spoken by implication of a matter or thing, do to a cause that results in action, the giving of advice concerning an affair, that necessitates an answer, accompanied with an explanation. The character of the One speaking is defined with what is said, as the name given to one that defines His or her personage. The name of God in this case.


In Hebrew it is written as “Ten Words” instead of “Commandments” addressing Ten different things concerning God's testimony. This it to indicate Ten instructions about Ten generalized things.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I use those terms, just not on this site because it's confusing to some.
I'm not Hebrews Roots.
Good job at judging.
You do know that God is a Hebrew God? Has been and always will be.
Stop bashing on the language used.
If I start using German are you going to start saying "GERMAN ROOTS!!!"

Just because someone is stating something that doesn't agree with you interprutation, doesn't give you the right to judge on who they are, or their background.

so its ok for you to judge.. thanks, I see who you are.. Again, your arrogance is showing..you need to put a daiper on or something, so the stink of arrogance does not flood the room.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

shotgunner,that's not what he said at all,why don't you read the whole thread and see that he's just asking that Jesus said we should follow the law,that law being of the OT,the nt wasn't yet written! If Jesus said to follow the law then we should follow the law of the OT because that must be the law jesus was referring to

No. Jesus told us to follow the faith of abraham, not the law of moses.

Why do people always assume things, instead of thinking them through.

 

[just-us-2]

...
I've known Just_us_two for a few years, and I am confident about saying that she sticks with the word and is diligent about studying and seeking the truth in Christ, as we all should be. That would probably end 99 percent of all arguments.

We should all share that common bond as brothers and sisters in Christ.

It also has nothing to do with following specific people...if we were all seeking the truth in Christ alone, I have a feeling that absolutely wonderful things would happen here on CC that would witness to many people.

I agree - and wouldn't it be great if people could study together without arguing?
That is nearly a forgotten art here in cc.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again,
Contentious = Not agreeing with you.

I am amazed he is still in here, and not like some who came before him and are no longer here.

 

[MarcR]

I know it is taught upon many of us today that we don't need to follow the Old Laws, and that it was brought only for the Jews and not christians.. But who claimed this? Many christians still say that we Should follow the law..

Under what reason should i believe this?

When Jesus says specifically in the bible to follow the Old Laws...?



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Where did that teaching to not follow it come from.
Please tell me your opinion on if we should follow it or not.

thank you.

Heb 7:9-19
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
KJV

 

[FreeNChrist]

Commandments are a word spoken by implication of a matter or thing, do to a cause that results in action, the giving of advice concerning an affair, that necessitates an answer, accompanied with an explanation. The character of the One speaking is defined with what is said, as the name given to one that defines His or her personage. The name of God in this case.


In Hebrew it is written as “Ten Words” instead of “Commandments” addressing Ten different things concerning God's testimony. This it to indicate Ten instructions about Ten generalized things.

Do your ten "words" still have penalties attached to them, as Commandments do, or are they just suggested instructions?

 

[Biblelogic01]

Anyway, to the OP, I do apologize for that small rant.

There's a few basic things you can look at here when coming to a determination on whether to follow or not follow.

AND BEFORE I CONTINUE; ANYTHING I STATE IS JUST MY UNDERSTANDING AND I'M NOT TELLING OTHERS TO DO OR THEIR WAY IS WRONG (posting that just so other's don't start getting all bashy bashy).

We start from the beginning, well kind of the beginning, this is all found in Genisis-Deuteronomy.
You have Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
God blesses Abraham.
Then Issac, receives the same blessing.
Jacob receives same blessing again and God changes his name to Israel.
Go a few generations later, you have Moses brings the children of Israel out of Egypt.
Now with that if you look at the scriputres, these were not just Hebrews, their were Egpytians with them as well, foreigners.
After this Moses goes up Mt. Sinai and God gives Moses His instructions for being the God of the Israelites.
It's a covenant between God and those who want to be His.
God gives His nation a name, and that is Israel.
Now we go years down the line to what I call Israel's fall. This is all found in the prophets
The kingdom of Israel is in a wreck and splits up.
The northern kingdom abandoned God's ways and broke His covenant and got scattered amongst the nations (as prophecied).
The southern kingdom kept God's ways, but eventually got very prideful and arogant with it and start twisting and adding to it.
Multiple times it's prophecied about the split and the aftermath, the one that sticks out the most as far as this topic is probably Ezekiel.
In Ezekiel 34, we see God speak through Ezekiel chastizing the leadership of Israel. God states basically they're not fit to lead Israel anymore, and they're just like a bad shepherd. God says ultimately He is the good shepherd and He will send Himself to gather His flock and restore.
Now an intersting thing on top of this, God states He's also going to bring gentiles into the mix, and not just the actual decendants of the whole house of Israel, but gentiles as well. Now when reading the ending passages of Ezekiel 34, when it's prophecied that God as the good shepherd will bring all these people together, God is still calling His people Israel. So there is no change in who God's people are; whether someones Jewish, Egyptian, Greek, German, Texan (had to put that one in there XD ), they're all the same and His people are called Israel.

Now we go way futher down the years and we get to Jesus.
In John 10 Jesus speaks of Him being the good shepherd coming to gather His sheep.
This is a reference to the prophecy in Ezekiel.
Jesus came back to make a way and gather Israel back together as a whole.
You can also look further where Paul talks about grafting.

So if one reads all these passages, and studies them. Then all you have to do is connect the dots.

And I'll leave it at that.

Pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit, and then go study.
If you want scripture/verse references private message me.
Blessings

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you want to believe the truth of what Jesus taught, you'll have to believe something else too, such as what Jesus told the non-believing Pharisees.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 5:46-47

so why do you not believe his writings? why are you still following a law, which was given as a schoolmaster. and placed us in slavery, and was given only to the unrighteous?

Yuo do realise by saying you follow law. Your claiming you are unrighteous do you not?

And why are yuo so angry at those of us who have found the righteousness of Christ through faith want to grow in Christ, and not be held back by a schoolmaster who's job has been completed?

Sadly. the people those words were spoken to realised the truth of the words. And graduated from the schoolmaster.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree - and wouldn't it be great if people could study together without arguing?
That is nearly a forgotten art here in cc.

How can we study together, even in peace as agreeing to disagree, when we have people like you who claim anyone who does not believe as you do is a child of satan?

 

[just-me]

I am amazed he is still in here, and not like some who came before him and are no longer here.

I would suppose that the mods like the scripture that I quote. LOL Ya think?

 

[Least]

I am amazed he is still in here, and not like some who came before him and are no longer here.

That made me sad. I miss a few who are no longer here. One in particular who had a lot of great things to share.

 

[just-us-2]

Anyway, to the OP, I do apologize for that small rant...So if one reads all these passages, and studies them. Then all you have to do is connect the dots.

And I'll leave it at that.

Pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit, and then go study.
If you want scripture/verse references private message me.
Blessings

That is the best 'nutshell' version of the story I have ever heard and it is accurate!

 

[just-me]

That made me sad. I miss a few who are no longer here. One in particular who had a lot of great things to share.

Ya there are a number of good people that no longer contribute in CC. May the Lord keep them and protect them as they continue and glorify His Holy Name.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That made me sad. I miss a few who are no longer here. One in particular who had a lot of great things to share.

I miss some of them too.

They are gone while some are still here..Thats sad.

 

[MarcR]

I know it is taught upon many of us today that we don't need to follow the Old Laws, and that it was brought only for the Jews and not christians.. But who claimed this? Many christians still say that we Should follow the law..

Under what reason should i believe this?

When Jesus says specifically in the bible to follow the Old Laws...?



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Where did that teaching to not follow it come from.
Please tell me your opinion on if we should follow it or not.

thank you.

Gal 3:1-11
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
KJV


The Law speaks of several covenants; but many were with specific people. There are two covenants that we must choose between because a person cannot be under both at the same time.

You can be under the covenant of Leviticus chapter 26, and try to earn your Salvation; or you can be under the covenant of Jeremiah 31, and receive Salvation as a gift. God will still honor both covenants; but it is necessary to choose one or the other.