Who wrote the 4 gospels of the New Testament and when?

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When was the whole BC/AD thing invented? I thought it was somewhere in the early 700's.
 

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When was the whole BC/AD thing invented? I thought it was somewhere in the early 700's.
A 6th century monk, Dionysius Exiguus, devised this dating system
in 525 AD, but it was not widely used until after 800 AD.
 

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i said the apostles didn't date the miracles that jesus performed,these were major events. I know they somtimes mention "in the time of " but this doesn't even specify the year! A king could reign for 30 or 40yrs,it's very vague,show me in scripture where an actual date is put on an appearance or miracle carried out by Jesus!?
As a matter of fact, Luke dated all of Jesus' miracles between 25 A.D. and 28 A.D. Notation of the Jewish feasts in the Gospels should allow you to pinpoint the precise year each occurred.

Clement of Rome, in chapter 5 of his only extant epistle, mentions the martyrdom of both Peter and Paul.

Since this epistle is known to have been written before Clement's own martyrdom in 67 A.D.; All of Peter's and Paul's writing, miracles, and missionary work must have occurred between 28 A.D.and 67 A.D.

In Acts, Luke's mention of the duration of Paul's sojourn in various cities gives us clues on when Paul returned to Antioch and Jerusalem.


These dates are much earlier than those suggested by (so called) Modern Scholarship.

If, as tradition suggests, Paul was acquitted after His imprisonment in Rome, and went to Spain; then everything must have occurred much earlier than most suspect. But, early dating has better historical support than any other theory.
 

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As a matter of fact, Luke dated all of Jesus' miracles between 25 A.D. and 28 A.D. Notation of the Jewish feasts in the Gospels should allow you to pinpoint the precise year each occurred.

Clement of Rome, in chapter 5 of his only extant epistle, mentions the martyrdom of both Peter and Paul.

Since this epistle is known to have been written before Clement's own martyrdom in 67 A.D.; All of Peter's and Paul's writing, miracles, and missionary work must have occurred between 28 A.D.and 67 A.D.

In Acts, Luke's mention of the duration of Paul's sojourn in various cities gives us clues on when Paul returned to Antioch and Jerusalem.


These dates are much earlier than those suggested by (so called) Modern Scholarship.

If, as tradition suggests, Paul was acquitted after His imprisonment in Rome, and went to Spain; then everything must have occurred much earlier than most suspect. But, early dating has better historical support than any other theory.

Originally Posted by MarcR

In searching for what day of the week Abib 14 fell on in 28 A.D. I ran across this article which, IMO, reliably fixes the date of Jesus crucifixion at Wednesday Abib14 28 A.D.
http://www.biblicaltheology.com/Rese...msundarP01.pdf

Since I have long been persuaded that 28 A.D. is the correct year. I must now rethink my belief in a Thursday crucifixion.

I have up till now rejected a Wednesday crucifixion; because I could not see how Jesus could rise on the 3rd day and rise on Sunday.

I must now try to reconcile those requirements.

Originally Posted by MarcR



I believe that Luke 2:2 places the census decree in 6 B.C. and Jesus' birth in 5 B.C.; thus putting His death on the cross in 28 A.D. Going back 483 years brings to 455 B.C., which was the eleventh year of Artaxerxes Longimanus. This is consistent with Ezra Chapter 7. Ezra 7:18 does not specifically mention a command to build the wall; but does not preclude it. We know that when Nehemiah joined the work in the 20th year of Artaxerxes Longimanus (Neh 2:1), that the building of the wall was in progress already.

So then, seventy weeks are decreed Dan 9:24. The command to build the wall was given in 455 B.C. Jesus was born in 5B.C. Jesus was born in 5B.C., and was crucified ('cut off') in 28 A.D. (Dan 9:25)

The Seventieth week is reserved for 'Jacob's Trouble' (Jer 30:7) the Great tribulation (Rv 2:22, Rv 7:14).





Originally Posted by MarcR

TIBERIUS

3. Reign: In 13 A.D. (or according to Mommsen 11 A.D.) Tiberius was by a special law raised to the co-regency. Augustus died August 19, 14 A.D., and Tiberius succeeded. A mutiny in the Rhine legions was suppressed by Germanicus. The principal events of his reign (see also below) were the campaigns of Germanicus and Drusus, the withdrawal of the Romans to the Rhine, the settlement of the Armenian question, the rise and fall of Sejanus, the submission of Parthia. In 26 A.D., Tiberius retired to Capreae, where rumor attributed to him every excess of debauchery. On March 16, 37 A.D., Tiberius died at Misenum and was succeeded by Caius.
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Assuming Mommson is correct (A reasonable assumption since he was a leading archeologist of his time) 11A.D. +15= 26 A.D. 26+2.5 =29.5.

We now have a disparity of +/- 7 mos. This can be explained by differences in how years werte reconed to begin by different Rabbinic sects.

Some Rabbinic sects reckon with years beginning on Abib1; and counting any part of a year as a year. Other Rabbinic sects reckon the king's reign to begin on Adar 29, and only count entire years.

This could mean that what is called in Luke the 15th year of Tiberius could be the 14th year of Tiberius by Daniel's reckoning of time.




I believe that I have resolved all difficulties! In the year 27 A.D. Passover (Abib 14) fell on a Thursday.

Since Mary was already pregnant when the Census was decreed; Jesus could have been born as early as Sukkot, 6 B.C. His ministry started at age 30 (24-25 A.D) Which would put the command to build the wall in Jerusalem at 456 B.C. still meeting all necessary conditions to satisfy Ezra chapter 7.
If Jesus' ministry began before Passover in 25 A.D.; then Passover 27 A. D would be the third of His ministry.

If Titus' coregency began in the fall of 11 A.D (Julian); then the Hebrew Calendar year which subtended 26-27 A.D. would have been His 15th; thus satisfying Luke 3.
 

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Hi MarcR!

say, what source are you using for Clement dieing in ad 67? everything I've found so far gives a date in the 90's...
 

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Hi MarcR!

say, what source are you using for Clement dieing in ad 67? everything I've found so far gives a date in the 90's...
I stand corrected!!! I had misread something in the translator's notes. No intent on my part to be misleading!

The notes said 97 and my eyes transposed the 9 to a 6.
 
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I have been doing some research and it appears that the four gospels were not written by anyone who actually knew Jesus,the earliest,Mark was apparently written somewhere between 60 and 80 years after Jesus's death,Mathew between 70 and 100,Luke and John after 93yrs of His death and all in Greek,not Hebrew and not by jews. What I can't understand is why the Appostles themselves didn't actually write anything down or did they?
The apostles didn't write down anything but everything that is in the gospels are based on their testimonies except John who was apparently written by Mary Madgelene. If you pay attention, you will find that the style is very ladylike. Mark and Matthew are basically the same gospel with Matthew copying Mark for most of his materiel. For Luke, I am not still decided if it is really the doctor or a disciple of Paul.
 

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The apostles didn't write down anything
So how do you know this?

but everything that is in the gospels are based on their testimonies
True, and on personal experience in the cases of Matthew and John.

except John who was apparently written by Mary Madgelene.
unadulterated rubbish with no basis in fact or early evidence.

If you pay attention, you will find that the style is very ladylike.
well I have paid attention and read it hundreds of times and I see nothing ladylike about it.

Mark and Matthew are basically the same gospel with Matthew copying Mark for most of his materiel.
A simple comparison will serve to demonstrate what a foolish statement this is.

For Luke, I am not still decided if it is really the doctor or a disciple of Paul.
we await your decision with bated breath. Was it Phoebe? or Syntyche?
 

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Originally Posted by MarcR

In searching for what day of the week Abib 14 fell on in 28 A.D. I ran across this article which, IMO, reliably fixes the date of Jesus crucifixion at Wednesday Abib14 28 A.D.
http://www.biblicaltheology.com/Rese...msundarP01.pdf

Since I have long been persuaded that 28 A.D. is the correct year. I must now rethink my belief in a Thursday crucifixion.

I have up till now rejected a Wednesday crucifixion; because I could not see how Jesus could rise on the 3rd day and rise on Sunday.

I must now try to reconcile those requirements.

Originally Posted by MarcR

As I have pointed out before this would presumably mean that the women went to the tomb on the Friday.


I believe that Luke 2:2 places the census decree in 6 B.C. and Jesus' birth in 5 B.C.;
There is no evidence that there was a census in 6 BC. What Luke 2 refers to is probably the twenty fifth anniversary of Augustine's reign when a census was required and fealty was to be sworn to Augustine, although it may be that in order to please Augustus Herod held it early..,



 
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So how do you know this? Education



True, and on personal experience in the cases of Matthew and John. This is your point of view without justification

unadulterated rubbish with no basis in fact or early evidence. This a serious hypothesis hold by some leading scholars.
http://ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html
Mary Magdalene: Author of the Fourth Gospel?



well I have paid attention and read it hundreds of times and I see nothing ladylike about it. I don't want to insult you but you seem to jump to the roof very quickly without checking anything that disturb your views.


A simple comparison will serve to demonstrate what a foolish statement this is.
Again you jump to the roof without doing any search.



we await your decision with bated breath. Was it Phoebe? or Syntyche?
I put my answers in you quote for clarity! Not a nice way to welcome newcomer
 

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Originally Posted by valiant
So how do you know this?/quote]

Pat - Education
If your views are based on education. God help education.


True, and on personal experience in the cases of Matthew and John.
This is your point of view without justification
there is plenty of justification for it.

unadulterated rubbish with no basis in fact or early evidence.
This a serious hypothesis hold by some leading scholars.
It is not held by ANY leading scholars. It is held by internet freaks.

well I have paid attention and read it hundreds of times and I see nothing ladylike about it.
I don't want to insult you but you seem to jump to the roof very quickly without checking anything that disturb your views.
LOL my views are based on an advanced theological education, a knowledge of what REAL scholars say, a knowledge of New Testament background, and a recognition of the absurd.

A simple comparison will serve to demonstrate what a foolish statement this is.
Again you jump to the roof without doing any search.
I have written what are recognised as scholarly commentaries on both Matthew and Mark so I am sure I know what they contain, and the fallacy of your statement.

we await your decision with bated breath. Was it Phoebe? or Syntyche? who wrote Luke?


I put my answers in you quote for clarity! Not a nice way to welcome newcomer
Someone who tried to mislead as you did must expect to be shown up. If you can't take the heat at 55 you shouldn't be in the kitchen making foolish suggestions.
 

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The apostles didn't write down anything but everything that is in the gospels are based on their testimonies except John who was apparently written by Mary Madgelene. If you pay attention, you will find that the style is very ladylike. Mark and Matthew are basically the same gospel with Matthew copying Mark for most of his materiel. For Luke, I am not still decided if it is really the doctor or a disciple of Paul.

So the bolded part gave me my biggest laugh of the day! I'm glad I wasn't drinking tea at the time, or I might have choked I was laughing so hard!

Just so you know, I have an MDiv from a reputable and accredited seminary. I have never heard such nonsense in my life.

As for lady-like, what kind of garbage is this? If you read the papers I wrote, you would not be able to tell my gender. This is stereotyping of the most bizarre sort! Women did not go to school in ancient Palestine. And certainly not prostitutes! That is just an historical fact. Mary Magdelene (please note the correct spelling!) did NOT write the book of John. And what is a "lady-like" style anyway???

John is a theological masterpiece. It was written by the apostle John, who shares many first hand experiences, that are not shared elsewhere. Contrary to Dan Brown's works of fiction Mary Magdelene was NOT in the inner circle of disciples.

I am all for discovering that maybe Hebrews was written by Priscilla or something like that. But I doubt that will ever happen. And that women who are called should be in ministry. But this kind of New Age twisting passes beyond the pale of active imagination into the realm of outright lies.

My thought is that you need to post links to websites to support your nonsense, so your half baked theories can be properly refuted. Or books would be fine. But from what you have written, I am pretty sure you don't read credible sources like books!
 

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As I have pointed out before this would presumably mean that the women went to the tomb on the Friday.
If Passover (Abib 14) had indeed been on a Thursday; then Friday Abib 15 would have been a Levitical Sabbath.



There is no evidence that there was a census in 6 BC. What Luke 2 refers to is probably the twenty fifth anniversary of Augustine's reign when a census was required and fealty was to be sworn to Augustine, although it may be that in order to please Augustus Herod held it early..,
As previously pointed out:

Quirinus held a census in Judaea after the banishment of Archelaus (Joseph. Ant. 18:1, 1), which took place B.C. 6.
(from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Both McClintoc & Strong, and Josephus are highly regarded references; and, IMO, are more credible than your unsupported claim of no evidence.
 
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Originally Posted by valiant
So how do you know this?/quote]



If your views are based on education. God help education.






there is plenty of justification for it.





It is not held by ANY leading scholars. It is held by internet freaks.





LOL my views are based on an advanced theological education, a knowledge of what REAL scholars say, a knowledge of New Testament background, and a recognition of the absurd.





I have written what are recognised as scholarly commentaries on both Matthew and Mark so I am sure I know what they contain, and the fallacy of your statement.

we await your decision with bated breath. Was it Phoebe? or Syntyche? who wrote Luke?




Someone who tried to mislead as you did must expect to be shown up. If you can't take the heat at 55 you shouldn't be in the kitchen making foolish suggestions.
Very interesting behaviour! Never saw that!
 
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So the bolded part gave me my biggest laugh of the day! I'm glad I wasn't drinking tea at the time, or I might have choked I was laughing so hard!

Just so you know, I have an MDiv from a reputable and accredited seminary. I have never heard such nonsense in my life.

As for lady-like, what kind of garbage is this? If you read the papers I wrote, you would not be able to tell my gender. This is stereotyping of the most bizarre sort! Women did not go to school in ancient Palestine. And certainly not prostitutes! That is just an historical fact. Mary Magdelene (please note the correct spelling!) did NOT write the book of John. And what is a "lady-like" style anyway???

John is a theological masterpiece. It was written by the apostle John, who shares many first hand experiences, that are not shared elsewhere. Contrary to Dan Brown's works of fiction Mary Magdelene was NOT in the inner circle of disciples.

I am all for discovering that maybe Hebrews was written by Priscilla or something like that. But I doubt that will ever happen. And that women who are called should be in ministry. But this kind of New Age twisting passes beyond the pale of active imagination into the realm of outright lies.

My thought is that you need to post links to websites to support your nonsense, so your half baked theories can be properly refuted. Or books would be fine. But from what you have written, I am pretty sure you don't read credible sources like books!
It is good for the health to laugh! I love to laugh myself it always changed my mood and my friends mood. I did not go to seminary but university and apparently the approach is different. Literacy style is very important to understand the content of a book and the author message. None of the twelve disciples was able to write or read, all were illiterate. Mary neither was able to write but in those times illiterate people make use of scribes. I am not aware of any serious scholars except fundamentalist who would says that John wrote the fourth gospel. I repeat not a single serious scholar. How would defend such a position when doing critical and impartial analysis. From you answer, It is clear that seminary and university have nothing in common. Looks like university are much more critic than seminary. put two links about Mary which you have not look at so far... This is my last post related to thi topic given your hostile and narrow-mind reaction from you and vaillant.
 
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It is good for the health to laugh! I love to laugh myself it always changed my mood and my friends mood. I did not go to seminary but university and apparently the approach is different. Literacy style is very important to understand the content of a book and the author message. None of the twelve disciples was able to write or read, all were illiterate. Mary neither was able to write but in those times illiterate people make use of scribes. I am not aware of any serious scholars except fundamentalist who would says that John wrote the fourth gospel. I repeat not a single serious scholar. How would defend such a position when doing critical and impartial analysis. From you answer, It is clear that seminary and university have nothing in common. Looks like university are much more critic than seminary. put two links about Mary which you have not look at so far... This is my last post related to thi topic given your hostile and narrow-mind reaction from you and vaillant.
This is ridiculous! You should write joke books for a living. None of the twelve apostles could read or write? Do tell! Haha!
 
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I stand corrected!!! I had misread something in the translator's notes. No intent on my part to be misleading!

The notes said 97 and my eyes transposed the 9 to a 6.

Exactly why we walk by faith and not by sight ;) haha
 
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This is ridiculous! You should write joke books for a living. None of the twelve apostles could read or write? Do tell! Haha!

HAHAH YEAH NO DOUBT.... pretty sure that Matthew sitting at the receit of customs as a tax collector had to know how to read and write......
 
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This is ridiculous! You should write joke books for a living. None of the twelve apostles could read or write? Do tell! Haha!
HAHAH YEAH NO DOUBT.... pretty sure that Matthew sitting at the receit of customs as a tax collector had to know how to read and write......
I think there is a church where people get together to laugh like that, forget the name. Here another joke and hope it works as well as the others. Bart Erhman a distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and a leading authority on the Bible and the life of Jesus wrote that :)

Several significant studies of literacy have appeared in recent years showing just how low literacy rates were in antiquity. The most frequently cited study is by Columbia professor William Harris in a book titled Ancient Literacy. By thoroughly examining all the surviving evidence, Harris draws the compelling though surprising conclusion that in the very best of times in the ancient world, only about 10 percent of the population could read at all and possibly copy out writing on a page. Far fewer than this, of course, could compose a sentence, let alone a story, let alone an entire book. And who were the people in this 10 percent? They were the upper-class elite who had the time, money, and leisure to afford an education. This is not an apt description of Jesus’s disciples. They were not upper-crust aristocrats.
In Roman Palestine the situation was even bleaker. The most thorough examination of literacy in Palestine is by a professor of Jewish studies at the University of London, Catherine Hezser, who shows that in the days of Jesus probably only 3 percent of Jews in Palestine were literate. Once again, these would be the people who could read and maybe write their names and copy words. Far fewer could compose sentences, paragraphs, chapters, and books. And once again, these would have been the urban elites.
Source: Ehrman, Bart D. (2012-03-20). Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (Kindle Locations 702-712). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
 
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The apostles didn't write down anything but everything that is in the gospels are based on their testimonies except John who was apparently written by Mary Madgelene. If you pay attention, you will find that the style is very ladylike. Mark and Matthew are basically the same gospel with Matthew copying Mark for most of his materiel. For Luke, I am not still decided if it is really the doctor or a disciple of Paul.
What the heck have you been drinking tonight?