Protesters and Prayer fill air outside Greater Church of Lucifer

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maxwel

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The day it's illegal to insult people, every preacher in america will be going to jail 5 minutes after his Sunday sermon.

The gospel is an offense to the lost.
When it's illegal to offend people, every Christian willing to share the gospel is going straight to jail.

Freedom of speech is a great thing.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
We aren't going to have it forever.
 
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GuessWho

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The day it's illegal to insult people, every preacher in america will be going to jail 5 minutes after his Sunday sermon.

The gospel is an offense to the lost.
When it's illegal to offend people, every Christian willing to share the gospel is going straight to jail.

Freedom of speech is a great thing.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
We aren't going to have it forever.
So, you think Saint Paul was offending and insulting people? I don't think so. We was very respectful towards the Greeks in his sermon at the Areopagus.

If the American pastors insult people then I am not sure what kind of gospel they share with them. Not the gospel of Jesus Christ, for sure. Because Jesus Christ said go and make disciples and spread the good news. He didn't say go and insult people.
 

GuessWho

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I noticed that some protester women said "God loves them", "they need God"; unlike the Wetboro freaks who insult and verbally attack people and also lie about God.
 

maxwel

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So, you think Saint Paul was offending and insulting people? I don't think so. We was very respectful towards the Greeks in his sermon at the Areopagus.

If the American pastors insult people then I am not sure what kind of gospel they share with them. Not the gospel of Jesus Christ, for sure. Because Jesus Christ said go and make disciples and spread the good news. He didn't say go and insult people.
I was talking specifically and ONLY about laws, because YOU said it should be ILLEGAL to insult someone.

That is just a completely ridiculous thing to say.

The problem with laws against free speech, like "hate speech" laws, is that it's all very subjective.

If you can't understand something so simple, like the danger of laws that are entirely subjective, then there isn't any point in talking about it.
 

maxwel

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The absurd subjectivity of hate speech laws:

They are already arresting preachers, in some places, just for saying, politely, that homosexuality is wrong.
Homosexuals claim that such statements are "offensive" and "insulting"... and so preachers are being arrested.

Wherever free speech is curtailed, the gospel suffers.

Wherever free speech is curtailed, Christians suffer.
 

Desdichado

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I see an interesting culture clash here. That is if Guess Who is, indeed, Romanian.

My girlfriend is from Eastern Europe as well. If there is something I've noticed from my interactions with Eastern Europeans, it is that it typically takes much more to "offend" them than it does Americans. Particularly when it comes to younger generations who were not raised in self-esteem obsessed, lawsuit peppered, PC culture.

All of this to say, GuessWho's threshold for offensive is much higher than it is for Americans. Almost akin to standards of propriety and appreciation for the sacred that used to exist in the United States.
 

Desdichado

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It really is a testimony to how culturally debased Americans have become.
 

GuessWho

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They are not doing something that you don't believe in. Scientologists are doing something that you don't believe in. They are doing something that is entirely antagonist to what a christian believes and it is done to hurt and mock sensitive christians.
I have just seen a documentary about scientology and want to say that it is a crime that this organization is recognized as a religion because it destroys people's souls and bodies and steal their money.

So, for the sake of freedom of speech this criminal organisation is allowed to function under the fraudulent name of "church" which is a term that belongs to Christianity alone: you don't have a Church unless the people gather under the Holy Spirit to worship the Holy Trinity and Jesus Christ.

So, people should protest and speak out against the insanity of "Church of Lucifer" or "Church of Scientology".
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I was talking specifically and ONLY about laws, because YOU said it should be ILLEGAL to insult someone.

That is just a completely ridiculous thing to say.

The problem with laws against free speech, like "hate speech" laws, is that it's all very subjective.

If you can't understand something so simple, like the danger of laws that are entirely subjective, then there isn't any point in talking about it.

I can guarantee the LBGT calls ANY form of talk against homosexuality "hate speech", even when its well thought out reasoning as to why homosexuality is only acting out on arousal, and is not the right thing to do.
If you make a law on "hate speech", youll find that any kind of talk of any kind that a person just doesnt like will become outlawed.
 

Dude653

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I have just seen a documentary about scientology and want to say that it is a crime that this organization is recognized as a religion because it destroys people's souls and bodies and steal their money.

So, for the sake of freedom of speech this criminal organisation is allowed to function under the fraudulent name of "church" which is a term that belongs to Christianity alone: you don't have a Church unless the people gather under the Holy Spirit to worship the Holy Trinity and Jesus Christ.

So, people should protest and speak out against the insanity of "Church of Lucifer" or "Church of Scientology".
And how exactly are they stealing people's money? Could I not say the same thing about all these televangelists?
 
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LanceA

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So I guess this church's leader won't be doing coffee meetings with the local pastors. Or maybe they should invite them.
 
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Odd comments about insult.

I have been accused of insulting people here by simply stating theology and my experience and making observations.
Anyone can take offence at anything, but that does not make it wrong to cause offence or take offence. People do it all the time.

What is wrong is to commit sin.

Now if you call a church a certain name, you do it to stir up attention, because it generates publicity. Most if not all these types of groups are nutcases and cannot even agree among themselves what they believe. Unless they do something obviously evil, leave them alone, it is of little consequence.