U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

[Lis45]

Im not sure in all this where we are supposed to turn our society over to sexual deviants and where you decide how and where others should speak out or how effective that will or wont be? The fact is that people like me are gaining more and more power and may soon have enough political power to preserve the moral standards of our society. So you seem to just be speaking in circles by saying we shouldn't try to preserve the moral health of our society and then when its clear you lose that debate ..change your argument to we cant make a difference . I say we should and can make a difference in our society and have a very real and moral responsibility as Christians to do that very thing.

LOL...like political power is going to preserve morality. You go ahead and "gain" your power. It is useless. He did not lose any debate. I don't know where you get this being a "win-lose" debate. It seems to me you are the one who got mad because he truthfully answered your false "you tube" video accusations with a dose of reality.

 

[Lis45]

Yea is very clear how godly you are .... so godly you defend and promote the gay agenda on this forum while telling other Christians that God don't really want us to fight evil...have you even read the bible?

You are clueless. You still have zero understanding of anything I have said. *shakes her head*

 

[Lis45]

Again, you attack me personally as "defending this perversion."

You ignore me. That's okay, Mitspa. You seem to worship this American Dream where all that is legal is good and all that is illegal is bad. Unfortunately, THAT AMERICA NEVER EXISTED!

We had legal prostitution, and still do in one state. We had legal slavery. We had an oppressive government that stifled the Freedom of Speech under Adams and Jefferson. We had a president send US soldiers to incarcerate people who were making alcohol because they refused to pay local state fees (even though they weren't in the states that demanded the fees). We had a Vice President and a Treasurer fight in a duel. We had a Treasurer who sought to make the states useless and the Federal Government the center of all power.

Your war was lost during the Presidency of George Washington.

So, declaim the government. Prophecy God's warning to mankind. That's fine. But do not argue for an America that never was or will be. We are prophecying the True Kingdom of God, which will have God on the throne and no mere man, but God Himself in flesh. His name is Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

We are to be apart from all of this. We are supposed to be serving God, not a three colored flag.

But, you will ignore all of this and claim I'm defending gay marriage. Even though I denounce the very government that made it law. You have faith in a false system. Its corrupt, and cannot stand. All nations are corrupt and cannot stand.

Finally!!! Another Christian who actually GETS IT!!

 

[Mitspa]

LOL...like political power is going to preserve morality. You go ahead and "gain" your power. It is useless. He did not lose any debate. I don't know where you get this being a "win-lose" debate. It seems to me you are the one who got mad because he truthfully answered your false "you tube" video accusations with a dose of reality.

If you think that the promotion and approval of wickedness don't cause wickedness to grow and have more power? You have missed a large part of scripture and evident facts. His argument that we as believers should just be passive in the face of the perversion of our society is silly and he knows it cannot be defended with any sort of sound logic nor biblical truth....

 

[Mitspa]

Here is the logic of some...God don't want us to take the time to speak out against the perversion of our society or resist in any way really.... But what He really wants is for us to take the time to attack other believers and argue that others should not speak against or resist wickedness..,.even help promote the gay agenda.


Amazing how some in the Name of Christ have become so twisted in their minds that they could try to make a biblical argument against the promotion of righteousness while they defend the growth and spread of wickedness.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15



justpassinthrough

 

[crossnote]

It's so much easier for man to "fight against" than it is for man to "love" in the way God does (and you hit it right on, T. in how he has commanded us to love and to serve others). It is definitely not a passive thing...in fact it's HARD and requires full time moment to moment submission to God. None of this fighting people are doing over religion, government, and politics is getting anyone anywhere. In fact, it does just the opposite...it keeps the anger rising, the hateful hating, and the division widening...all the while the commandments of Christ get pushed to oblivion because we're so busy fighting...or defending...as if God Himself needs our help in doing so...and there his commands to us lie buried beneath it all as if they are insignificant..or don't really matter...and that's exactly what the devil enjoys most about all of this craziness. No..God does not need our help to fight evil....he has already won that fight....our job is to do what Christ has commanded..that is where the battle of life and death is truly won.

Soo in the arena of abortion let's say, we are to just remain silent politically and love one another? After all, Christ has won!?

Proverbs 31:9 (KJV) Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

 

[Lis45]

If you think that the promotion and approval of wickedness don't cause wickedness to grow and have more power? You have missed a large part of scripture and evident facts. His argument that we as believers should just be passive in the face of the perversion of our society is silly and he knows it cannot be defended with any sort of sound logic nor biblical truth....

that is not what his argument is...that's where you have missed the mark. He never said for Christians to be "passive"...What he did say is that Christians need to be active IN CHRIST....because that is where the real battle is both fought AND won. I really believe you just don't understand that concept.

 

[Lis45]

Soo in the arena of abortion let's say, we are to just remain silent politically and love one another? After all, Christ has won!?

Proverbs 31:9 (KJV) Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

This is what I say. Start reaching out to the women who are actually having them. That is where you will make the true difference.

 

[Desdichado]

This is what I say. Start reaching out to the women who are actually having them. That is where you will make the true difference.

Well yeah. That and outlawing it. There are some people who owe their existence to both.

 

[Lis45]

Here is the logic of some...God don't want us to take the time to speak out against the perversion of our society or resist in any way really.... But what He really wants is for us to take the time to attack other believers and argue that others should not speak against or resist wickedness..,.even help promote the gay agenda.


Amazing how some in the Name of Christ have become so twisted in their minds that they could try to make a biblical argument against the promotion of righteousness while they defend the growth and spread of wickedness.

It's amazing to me that you have once again twisted your own gross misinterpretation of what these "other believers" have said into some kind of "scriptual truth". The "argument", as you have turned it into, which is in actuality, a "debate", isn't over whether these things are wicked or not. It's over how best to "fight" that "wickedness"....and it's the same way Jesus Christ Himself showed by and through THE VERY LIFE HE LIVED, that he conquered that "wickedness". That is HOW we fight. That is his point.

 

[crossnote]

This is what I say. Start reaching out to the women who are actually having them. That is where you will make the true difference.

IC, "Christians, outta da pool!!"

 

[Mitspa]

that is not what his argument is...that's where you have missed the mark. He never said for Christians to be "passive"...What he did say is that Christians need to be active IN CHRIST....because that is where the real battle is both fought AND won. I really believe you just don't understand that concept.

Active in Christ means you stand for righteousness and the good of your society...not set by why wickedness and perversion take over.

 

[Mitspa]

This is what I say. Start reaching out to the women who are actually having them. That is where you will make the true difference.

So we cant resist evil and do good at the same time? funny because that's exactly what we are told to do...

 

[Mitspa]

It's amazing to me that you have once again twisted your own gross misinterpretation of what these "other believers" have said into some kind of "scriptual truth". The "argument", as you have turned it into, which is in actuality, a "debate", isn't over whether these things are wicked or not. It's over how best to "fight" that "wickedness"....and it's the same way Jesus Christ Himself showed by and through THE VERY LIFE HE LIVED, that he conquered that "wickedness". That is HOW we fight. That is his point.

Have you read the bible?

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.do you

Do you not understand that these are Jesus direct Words to His church ...?

 

[Lis45]

Active in Christ means you stand for righteousness and the good of your society...not set by why wickedness and perversion take over.

Active in Christ means BEING the very righteousness He imputed to you. You can "stand" for it all you want...but without being HIS very righteousness, and not your "own" for which you have none, your words are empty and lost to a lost world.

 

[Mitspa]

Active in Christ means BEING the very righteousness He imputed to you. You can "stand" for it all you want...but without being HIS very righteousness, and not your "own" for which you have none, your words are empty and lost to a lost world.

Do you think that righteousness is without moral standards? Of course its not and its a righteousness that is vexed by wickedness...If a real believer (righteous in Christ) is not vexed in their soul when they see this wickedness...they have no understanding of what it means to be "righteous" its just a religious term that they have been taught.

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 ¶ And delivered righteous Lot, vexed with the filthy conduct of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their lawless deeds.


any believer that claims to be "righteous" in Christ and does not uphold His moral precepts and is not offended when wickedness grows...I doubt they really walk with Christ?

 

[Lis45]

Do you think that righteousness is without moral standards? Of course its not and its a righteousness that is vexed by wickedness...If a real believer (righteous in Christ) is not vexed in their soul when they see this wickedness...they have no understanding of what it means to be "righteous" its just a religious term that they have been taught.

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 ¶ And delivered righteous Lot, vexed with the filthy conduct of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their lawless deeds.


any believer that claims to be "righteous" in Christ and does not uphold His moral precepts and is not offended when wickedness grows...I doubt they really walk with Christ?

that is based on your assumptions that they don't "uphold" His moral precepts or that they aren't "offended when wickedness grows. I can tell you, as a believer in AND a walker with Christ, I do "uphold" His moral precepts, and I also AM offended by "wickedness" when it grows. I, however, cannot "force" another to "uphold" those same precepts, as Christ Himself did not either. It's not my fault that you can't accept the reality of a "sinful" America, that's always been there. The only difference is, what was once hidden from man, yet NEVER hidden from God, has been brought to the light of our attention. Yes, we need a change...we need a change of the hearts and minds of the people. You want to bring the Gospel to unbelievers? You want to "win" the good fight? Then put on the FULL armour of God, NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, but AGAINST THE PRINCIPALITIES of this world AND start LOVING your neighbor, as Jesus COMMANDED. (WHOSOEVER they may be). And really. Did GOD NEED OUR HELP IN DESTROYING SODOM AND GOMORRHA? NO! ​

 

[aforgivensonofGod]

I simply quit jobs that went against my beliefs. I think she should do the same.

K. What happens when they force all Christians to resign from political jobs, from high places, you now have a biased gay agenda that runs the political movement, with no strong Christian foundations. What happens then if this was to happen? Bet your life on it that persecution will come towards Christianity and their belief. There's an importance to have strong Christians standing firm in these powers, because without them, we have no stance in the movement, and we're just giving up our authority to ungodly views, which is exactly what the devil wants, to give up your authority (which he can't take unless you hand it to him.)

So I suggest, instead of quitting so easily, why not try to stay in your place, because where you stand at your currently job, might have such a great influence around you, more than you think. This is why it's important to have a close relationship with the Father, Jesus, and the holy Spirit. Allow God to dictate your steps, and he'll show you what needs to be done next. But too many of us are just resigning due to pressure, and the mind set that, "doesn't matter." No, it does matter.

 

[Mitspa]

that is based on your assumptions that they don't "uphold" His moral precepts or that they aren't "offended when wickedness grows. I can tell you, as a believer in AND a walker with Christ, I do "uphold" His moral precepts, and I also AM offended by "wickedness" when it grows. I, however, cannot "force" another to "uphold" those same precepts, as Christ Himself did not either. It's not my fault that you can't accept the reality of a "sinful" America, that's always been there. The only difference is, what was once hidden from man, yet NEVER hidden from God, has been brought to the light of our attention. Yes, we need a change...we need a change of the hearts and minds of the people. You want to bring the Gospel to unbelievers? You want to "win" the good fight? Then put on the FULL armour of God, NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, but AGAINST THE PRINCIPALITIES of this world AND start LOVING your neighbor, as Jesus COMMANDED. (WHOSOEVER they may be). And really. Did GOD NEED OUR HELP IN DESTROYING SODOM AND GOMORRHA? NO! ​

Accept the reality of a sinful America?.... so we excuse and promote more sin because there is sin...that's insane

And as citizens we have a moral responsibility and right to shape a healthy society that represents the values of our faith.