The Why

Brother_Don · Dec 12, 2015

Likewise, the fact that in no language do we see “Sabbath” similarly linked with Sunday, the first day of the week, is an obvious confirmation that this day never was considered the biblical Sabbath until later religious leaders tried to substitute Sunday for the true Sabbath day.
Arabic: Sabet
Armenian: Shabat
Bosnian: Subota
Bulgarian: Sabota
Corsican: Sàbatu
Croatian: Subota
Czech: Sobota
Georgian: Sabati
Greek: Savvato
Indonesian: Sabtu
Italian: Sabato
Latin: Sabbatum
Maltese: is-Sibt
Polish: Sobota
Portuguese: S ábado

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

Brother_Don said:

I have to be honest here. If people do not have the courage to stand on where their beliefs lead, I would not I am afraid take their posts seriously. Christianity means more to me than that
If I have a belief, I know I am obligated to stand on where that belief leads, not ignore it. I repeat, that shows weak faith and a lack of true conviction in christianity

Brother_Don · Dec 12, 2015

Word Origin and History for Saturday
Old English Sæterdæg, Sæternesdæg, literally "day of the planet Saturn," from Sæternes (genitive of Sætern ; see Saturn ) + Old English dæg (see day ). Partial loan-translation of Latin Saturni dies "Saturn's day" (cf. Dutch Zaterdag, Old Frisian Saterdi, Middle Low German Satersdach ; Irish dia Sathuirn, Welsh dydd Sadwrn). The Latin word itself is a loan-translation of Greek kronou hemera, literally "the day of Cronus."

Unlike other day names, no god substitution seems to have been attempted, perhaps because the northern European pantheon lacks a clear corresponding figure to Roman Saturn. A homely ancient Nordic custom, however, seems to be preserved in Old Norse laugardagr, Danish lørdag, Swedish lördag "Saturday," literally "bath day" (cf. Old Norse laug "bath").

German Samstag (Old High German sambaztag) appears to be from a Greek *sambaton, a nasalized colloquial form of sabbaton "sabbath," also attested in Old Church Slavonic sabota, Polish sobota, Russian subbota, Hungarian szombat, French samedi.

Saturday night has been used figuratively to suggest "drunkenness and looseness in relations between the young men and young women" since at least mid-19c. Saturday-night special "cheap, low-caliber handgun" is American English, attested from 1976 (earlier Saturday-night pistol, 1929).

Grace777x70 · Dec 12, 2015

The law is not dead...it's that us Christians are the ones dead to the law

Romans 7:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Galatians 2:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Christ fulfilled the law for us. Now we live by laws too..

1) the law of love

2) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus

3) the law of faith

4) the law of liberty in Christ Jesus

A Christian would never have to know the law from the OT and he would fulfill all the purpose of the law by the life of Christ in them. A Christian could have never even seen the 10 commandments before ( or any commandment for that matter ) and in effect would never need to..in order to live by Christ's life with in them....

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

The christian is dead to the law of righteousness rom3:20-22, rom 3:28, rom 10:4, gal2:21, phil3:9 etc

Blain · Dec 12, 2015

james57 said:

I would say we are dead to the law of condemnation not of righteousness. Think about this being dead is to cease completely not move not desire not follow not even any consciousness. So if we were dead to the law we would not follow it we would not live out in our hearts and we would not even notice it anymore, but if the law is not dead and if Jesus said he came to fulfill the law literally living it out and we are to follow his example then we are not dead to it either we are only dead to the condemnation of it but we are alive in the righteousness of it

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

Blain said:

I would say we are dead to the law of condemnation not of righteousness. Think about this being dead is to cease completely not move not desire not follow not even any consciousness. So if we were dead to the law we would not follow it we would not live out in our hearts and we would not even notice it anymore, but if the law is not dead and if Jesus said he came to fulfill the law literally living it out and we are to follow his example then we are not dead to it either we are only dead to the condemnation of it but we are alive in the righteousness of it

absolutely blain we are dead to the condemnation of the law for Christ is our righteousness, he died for our sins

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

There is nothing wrong with Gods good and holy laws. They are perfect, righteous and good. The problem was the law of righteousness for it condemned. No law of righteousness no condemnation. Remove the penalty of sin and you remove the condemnation of the law. You do not have to remove what is perfect, holy righteous and good, only the penalty that brought the condemnation

Brother_Don · Dec 12, 2015

james57 said:

Not sure of what you are saying. i stand on the Word and being led by teachings of Jesus. Satan has twisted the Almighty's TRUTH into something totally opposite. my beliefs lead me to being closer to Jesus and His ways, and how we will spend eternity. Is the answering you?

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

Brother_Don said:

Do you agree with what I have written below to someone else? If not, please tell me why:

If you do believe in observing a saturday Sabbath I wonder I you will have the courage to face the truth other Saturday Sabbath keepers refuse to address.
You accept the law God desires you to keep is placed on the heart of the believer dont you.
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

Once you know Gods laws you are conscious of your shortfall of obedience to those laws, and your shortfall of obedience I your sin. No christian can hide from the law written on their mind and placed on their hear , they must be aware the sin when the break it.
Therefore, if a person has no conscience they commit sin by not observing a saturday Sabbath there can only be two possibilities. Either the holy spirit did not write that particular law on the mind and place it on the heart of the believer, or if he does place that law on the heart of a believer in which case no one can be a christian unless they have heartfelt conviction they sin by refusing to observe a Saturday Sabbath. Will you and rememberthesabbathday face the fact, or will you turn away from it as all other Sabbath observers do and be in denial of it?
Maybe it I just me, but if I had a certain belief I could not bury my head in the sand as to the consequences of where my belief led, my conscience would not allow it

Brother_Don · Dec 12, 2015

james57 said:

Do you agree with what I have written below to someone else? If not, please tell me why:

If you do believe in observing a saturday Sabbath I wonder I you will have the courage to face the truth other Saturday Sabbath keepers refuse to address.
You accept the law God desires you to keep is placed on the heart of the believer dont you.
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

Once you know Gods laws you are conscious of your shortfall of obedience to those laws, and your shortfall of obedience I your sin. No christian can hide from the law written on their mind and placed on their hear , they must be aware the sin when the break it.
Therefore, if a person has no conscience they commit sin by not observing a saturday Sabbath there can only be two possibilities. Either the holy spirit did not write that particular law on the mind and place it on the heart of the believer, or if he does place that law on the heart of a believer in which case no one can be a christian unless they have heartfelt conviction they sin by refusing to observe a Saturday Sabbath. Will you and rememberthesabbathday face the fact, or will you turn away from it as all other Sabbath observers do and be in denial of it?
Maybe it I just me, but if I had a certain belief I could not bury my head in the sand as to the consequences of where my belief led, my conscience would not allow it

My belief leads to Gods promises.

Brother_Don · Dec 12, 2015

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 7:1

prove-all · Dec 12, 2015

james57 said:

you may search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation,
and you cannot find one line or verse authorizing the change of
the 7th day Sabbath to the 8th day Sunday observance

the Bible enforces the keeping holy of the seventh-day Sabbath—and that
the sole authority for Sunday observance is based on edicts of men.

the tribe of Judah,the responsibility of preserving the knowledge of the correct day

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

an oracle was a person or agency considered to interface wise counsel or prophetic predictions or
precognition of the future, inspired by the gods. As such it is a form of divination"to speak"

There is no question as to which day is the Sabbath day to a Jew.Yet, it is not a Jewish day!
the Sabbath began at a time when the tribe of Judah did not even exist

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

prove-all said:

you may search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation,
and you cannot find one line or verse authorizing the change of
the 7th day Sabbath to the 8th day Sunday observance

the Bible enforces the keeping holy of the seventh-day Sabbath—and that
the sole authority for Sunday observance is based on edicts of men.

the tribe of Judah,the responsibility of preserving the knowledge of the correct day

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

an oracle was a person or agency considered to interface wise counsel or prophetic predictions or
precognition of the future, inspired by the gods. As such it is a form of divination"to speak"

There is no question as to which day is the Sabbath day to a Jew.Yet, it is not a Jewish day!
the Sabbath began at a time when the tribe of Judah did not even exist

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

You are not responding to the reason I wrote the comment I did.

Please read comment 33.

I was bemoaning the fact Sabbath keepers dont have the courage to face where the beliefs lead

prove-all · Dec 12, 2015

james57 said:

and I was pointing out that sunday observence from saturday is not in the bible period

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

prove-all said:

None of you have enough conviction to actually stand on where your belief leads

The difference here is

Under the new covenant the christian is called to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code( rom 7:6)

The written code( law) was to be followed under the old covenant.

Many today insist on following after the written code rather than the holy spirit.
That is why they are comfortable with the old testament and gospels, but cannot understand the message of Paul
For as Jesus said. The disciples could not yet bear the knowledge he would like to teach them but when the holy spirit came upon them he would lead them into all truth
Those who follow the letter rather than the spirit therefore cannot understand Paul's message

prove-all · Dec 12, 2015

james57 said:

so my saying there is no bible verse authorise for sunday change,

is not taking a stand or showing my convictions?

I will side with the bible on this regard

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:
a good understanding have all they that do his commandments:
his praise endureth for ever.

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

prove-all said:

But you are following after the written code rather than the holy spirit, that is the true difference here

james57 · Dec 12, 2015

So my brothers you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another, to him that was raised from the dead rom7:4

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit, and not the old way of the written code( law) verse 6

mpaper345 · Dec 12, 2015

Utah said:

That God exists having no beginning can be mind boggling,but no matter how you look at it,it is still mind boggling.

It does seem hard to grasp that God can exist having no beginning,like how can He always be.It seems strange to believe that someone,or something,can always exist,but if God did have a beginning,then a God must of created Him,but then there would be no beginning to Gods creating Gods,and that is mind boggling,so no matter how you look at it there can be no beginning,whether God always exists,or Gods are creating Gods.

But believing God always exists having no beginning makes more sense than Gods creating Gods having no beginning,and God is an omnipresent Spirit that fills all space,so where would be the room for the God that created Him,and where would the God get the materials to create this God.

It makes more sense that God has no beginning,and space keeps going without stop,than Gods are creating Gods,with no beginning,and space has an endpoint.

So no matter how you look at it,there still has to be no beginning.

The thing is where did God get physical matter,did He poof it from nothing,for it did not come from Spirit,for they are separate things.Either God used His Spirit to create the physical things,or physical matter always exists,which is more mind boggling than God always exists.

It appears that physical matter also always exists,and God takes that matter and forms it in to whatever He wants.

Maybe there was a big bang,not evolution,but God caused the physical matter to appear that way,so He could use it,but still it is hard to believe that if God as an omnipresent Spirit,the only substance in the universe,before He created anything,caused physical matter to appear from nothing.

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