The Why

[wincam]

okay then - here it is - it seems the law is for the proud but the gospel for the humble - for a real good grounding and grasp via google see [Hell's best kept secret] - any comments - wincam

 

[wincam]

That God exists having no beginning can be mind boggling,but no matter how you look at it,it is still mind boggling.

It does seem hard to grasp that God can exist having no beginning,like how can He always be.It seems strange to believe that someone,or something,can always exist,but if God did have a beginning,then a God must of created Him,but then there would be no beginning to Gods creating Gods,and that is mind boggling,so no matter how you look at it there can be no beginning,whether God always exists,or Gods are creating Gods.

But believing God always exists having no beginning makes more sense than Gods creating Gods having no beginning,and God is an omnipresent Spirit that fills all space,so where would be the room for the God that created Him,and where would the God get the materials to create this God.

It makes more sense that God has no beginning,and space keeps going without stop,than Gods are creating Gods,with no beginning,and space has an endpoint.

So no matter how you look at it,there still has to be no beginning.

The thing is where did God get physical matter,did He poof it from nothing,for it did not come from Spirit,for they are separate things.Either God used His Spirit to create the physical things,or physical matter always exists,which is more mind boggling than God always exists.

It appears that physical matter also always exists,and God takes that matter and forms it in to whatever He wants.

Maybe there was a big bang,not evolution,but God caused the physical matter to appear that way,so He could use it,but still it is hard to believe that if God as an omnipresent Spirit,the only substance in the universe,before He created anything,caused physical matter to appear from nothing.

there just is no matter no matter who says or thinks otherwise - more later - meanwhile any comments - wincam

 

[wincam]

Re: The Sabbath

the Sabbath is not a specific day and was made for man who after labouring six days should rest on the seventh day of the week - so now not many have done this before even after all these years so go take a look at your calendars and see what day starts the week and what day ends it and we will discuss further - wincam

 

[Blain]

Re: The Sabbath

the Sabbath is not a specific day and was made for man who after labouring six days should rest on the seventh day of the week - so now not many have done this before even after all these years so go take a look at your calendars and see what day starts the week and what day ends it and we will discuss further - wincam

Well I am not sure about the not working part but the sabbath was also to honor and spend time with God wasn't it? so in that sense everyday is the sabbath for us.

 

[Laodicea]

But you are following after the written code rather than the holy spirit, that is the true difference here

So what law is written on the heart? It is written in Jeremiah. Before it was written on stone now the same law is written on our heart.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV
(31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
(33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


Before the law was written on stone now God writes the same law on our heart.

 

[james57]

So what law is written on the heart? It is written in Jeremiah. Before it was written on stone now the same law is written on our heart.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV
(31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
(33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


Before the law was written on stone now God writes the same law on our heart.

If a requirement to observe a Saturday Sabbath has been written on the heart I can absolutely, categorically, 100% assure you, no one can be a christian if they do not have heartfelt conviction they sin by not observing a Saturday Sabbath. If you have a minister that tells you people can be christians if they do not observe a Saturday Sabbath because they do so in ignorance, they sin in ignorance, find another minister for he doesn't grasp the basics of the new covenant.

If you do not understand the law on the heart MUST bring heartfelt conviction of sin when you break it, you do not understand the basics of the christian faith. I don't mean this unkindly, but as you are following the letter rather than the spirit there is so much you cannot know

 

[AboundingGrace]

1. What does it mean to say that the law is engraved on our hearts? How does this idea show the perpetuity of the law, even under the New Covenant?

I liken the Word of God being engraved in our hearts in the same way that the palm of the hand has indentions in the skin. Such indentions last for a lifetime.

The law itself is of God's love being displayed to us, for us to obey and thus walk in love toward everyone, the law is not meant to be legalistic rules. Rm.13:8-10.

 

[james57]

So what law is written on the heart? It is written in Jeremiah. Before it was written on stone now the same law is written on our heart.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV
(31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
(33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


Before the law was written on stone now God writes the same law on our heart.

This is the spiritual reality.
The christian has been born again of the holy spirit. Christ lives in them through the spirit. They have been supernaturally changed into someone who in their heart wants to obey God, and they MUST KNOW in their heart how God wants them to live. They love God. This is what you cannot see. God wants a persons love, and heartfelt praise and worship and thanks for what he has done for them through Christ.
The idea God favours one day over another to receive that praise and worship from christians joining together is to fail to understand what it truly means to have the fulness of the holy spirit in you. You should be meditating on God every day of the week, giving him heartfelt praise and worship all seven days
The Israelites were not born again under the old covenant.

The real problem is not you wanting to observe a Saturday Sabbath, the problem is you INSISTING everyone else must for you are refusing to accept what is written in the bible by doing that( rom14) But as I told you, you must follow after the holy spirit to understand paul

 

[Powemm]

Science has yet to explain healings still occurring supernaturally

 

[Laodicea]

This is the spiritual reality.
The christian has been born again of the holy spirit. Christ lives in them through the spirit. They have been supernaturally changed into someone who in their heart wants to obey God, and they MUST KNOW in their heart how God wants them to live. They love God. This is what you cannot see. God wants a persons love, and heartfelt praise and worship and thanks for what he has done for them through Christ.
The idea God favours one day over another to receive that praise and worship from christians joining together is to fail to understand what it truly means to have the fulness of the holy spirit in you. You should be meditating on God every day of the week, giving him heartfelt praise and worship all seven days
The Israelites were not born again under the old covenant.

The real problem is not you wanting to observe a Saturday Sabbath, the problem is you INSISTING everyone else must for you are refusing to accept what is written in the bible by doing that( rom14) But as I told you, you must follow after the holy spirit to understand paul

This is nothing but the love gospel. Get rid of God's law and just have the love gospel. Well Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments". What are the commandments of Jesus? Since Jesus is the I AM and the I AM is the one who gave the ten commandments then the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus.

Do you believe Jesus is the I AM? Do you believe Jesus is God? If yes then you have to agree the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus.

 

[james57]

This is nothing but the love gospel. Get rid of God's law and just have the love gospel. Well Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments". What are the commandments of Jesus? Since Jesus is the I AM and the I AM is the one who gave the ten commandments then the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus.

Do you believe Jesus is the I AM? Do you believe Jesus is God? If yes then you have to agree the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus.

How can I believe Jesus is the I am, according to what you believe it is impossible for me to be a christian

 

[james57]

This is nothing but the love gospel. Get rid of God's law and just have the love gospel. Well Jesus said "If you love me keep my commandments". What are the commandments of Jesus? Since Jesus is the I AM and the I AM is the one who gave the ten commandments then the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus.

Do you believe Jesus is the I AM? Do you believe Jesus is God? If yes then you have to agree the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus.

A person goes to a church one sunday and becomes a christian. The law is immediately written on their mind and placed on their heart. Will they immediately know/ be convicted they must observe a Saturday Sabbath? NO!!!!
They will be convicted they shouldn't steal, kill, lie, commit adultery etc, but they WILL NOT immediately be convicted of observing a Saturday Sabbath
How will they become convicted to follow that belief? If the follow after the written code
Paul tells us we don't do that, we follow after the spirit.

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code rom7:6

Before you say that does not include the ten commandments please read the next five verses

You do know you could perfectly obey the ten commandments( if that were possible) and still be condemned to hell dont you?

The standard if you like is not the ten commandments it js higher than that. The fact you keep stressing those commandments you are living under the system of old covenental law, not living in the truth of the new covenant

 

[wincam]

Re: The Sabbath

Well I am not sure about the not working part but the sabbath was also to honor and spend time with God wasn't it? so in that sense everyday is the sabbath for us.

here we go - off on a tangent - it seems it is impossible for some to stick with and answer the original - please have a look at your calendar/calendars and report back and oblige - wincam

 

[wincam]

Science has yet to explain healings still occurring supernaturally

and so does religion really for even Jesus could not work miracles in certain places and under certain circumstances but what goes unnoticed is He constantly said "not I but thy faith has made thee whole" - wincam

 

[Brother_Don]

None of you have enough conviction to actually stand on where your belief leads

The difference here is

Under the new covenant the christian is called to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code( rom 7:6)

The written code( law) was to be followed under the old covenant.

Many today insist on following after the written code rather than the holy spirit.
That is why they are comfortable with the old testament and gospels, but cannot understand the message of Paul
For as Jesus said. The disciples could not yet bear the knowledge he would like to teach them but when the holy spirit came upon them he would lead them into all truth
Those who follow the letter rather than the spirit therefore cannot understand Paul's message

The Holy Spirit is going to be and do all God says, the Holy Spirit will not guide us away from Truth. So if the Word says something, we know the Holy Spirit will guide us into that Truth.

 

[Brother_Don]

If a requirement to observe a Saturday Sabbath has been written on the heart I can absolutely, categorically, 100% assure you, no one can be a christian if they do not have heartfelt conviction they sin by not observing a Saturday Sabbath. If you have a minister that tells you people can be christians if they do not observe a Saturday Sabbath because they do so in ignorance, they sin in ignorance, find another minister for he doesn't grasp the basics of the new covenant.

If you do not understand the law on the heart MUST bring heartfelt conviction of sin when you break it, you do not understand the basics of the christian faith. I don't mean this unkindly, but as you are following the letter rather than the spirit there is so much you cannot know

you keep calling us saturday Sabbath keepers. It's called 7th day Sabbath keepers. How can the Sabbath be the first day of week? We can't turn the 1st day of week to 7th.

 

[james57]

The Holy Spirit is going to be and do all God says, the Holy Spirit will not guide us away from Truth. So if the Word says something, we know the Holy Spirit will guide us into that Truth.

The word gives 613 ot laws, how many do you follow? For you are using logic that because something I written it is a truth you must follow
I repeat, you follow after the written code rather than the holy spirit. That is old covenant, not new

 

[james57]

you keep calling us saturday Sabbath keepers. It's called 7th day Sabbath keepers. How can the Sabbath be the first day of week? We can't turn the 1st day of week to 7th.

If you respond to a post it would be nice if you could respond to the points made in it. I realise you follow the written code to obedience rather than the holy spirit, that is erring, to insist everyone else foes the same compounds the error.
Paul plainly states one man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers everyday alike. Each one should be fully convinced I his own mind rom14:25

They are the words of a spirit filled man chosen to be the chief exponent of the NC to the world

You refuse to accept what he wrote because you want to follow after the written code

 

[wincam]

The word gives 613 ot laws, how many do you follow? For you are using logic that because something I written it is a truth you must follow
I repeat, you follow after the written code rather than the holy spirit. That is old covenant, not new

imagination is useless here so lets really have a look at all those in the past and even now claiming to follow special inspiration by the HS = division, discord, disharmony, disillusionment, contradictions and confusion = all attributed to inspiration by the HS = blasphemy of and by the HS - wincam

 

[Brother_Don]

If you respond to a post it would be nice if you could respond to the points made in it. I realise you follow the written code to obedience rather than the holy spirit, that is erring, to insist everyone else foes the same compounds the error.
Paul plainly states one man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers everyday alike. Each one should be fully convinced I his own mind rom14:25

They are the words of a spirit filled man chosen to be the chief exponent of the NC to the world

You refuse to accept what he wrote because you want to follow after the written code

i refuse to receive a fable of what Paul wrote, one person see's Paul saying one thing, the other person the opposite. i receive what i believe to be Pauls Truth, not what the carnal mind see's.