A study on the ten commandments
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If gentiles were never under the law then what is everyone measured against? Where are the rules? No rules no sin....
God wrote with his own finger how He runs His government. Even the angels obey and the evil angels knew the rules too but one got prideful and coveted God's throne...We see where that got him....
God wrote with his own finger how He runs His government. Even the angels obey and the evil angels knew the rules too but one got prideful and coveted God's throne...We see where that got him....
So you are telling me that the Gentiles have never been under the Ten Commandments?
Here is one quick example that shows you are completely mistaken...
Gen 20:2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.
Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Now please read this verse carefully...
Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.
Abimelech KNEW that the seventh Commandment applied to him and God plainly states that it did...
Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
What is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And what is the result?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Here is one quick example that shows you are completely mistaken...
Gen 20:2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.
Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Now please read this verse carefully...
Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.
Abimelech KNEW that the seventh Commandment applied to him and God plainly states that it did...
Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
What is sin?
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And what is the result?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Wow! I feel the love of Christ right here. I can see how Jesus lived by this message that he was condescending, rude, and claimed a false rightiousness. Or maybe I'm looking at a false Christ? (I hope you see the point I am making)
When you bear the name "Christian" people interpret your actions and think "that must have been what Jesus was like"
When you bear the name "Christian" people interpret your actions and think "that must have been what Jesus was like"
Doctrine of to the way we are to follow for obedience is to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code( rom7:6) you are clinging to the written code, that is the way under the old covenant, not the new.
You ignore the fact Paul states one nan considers one day more sacred/ hoy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind rom14:5
Absolutely, doctrine is NOT based on how we feel, nor is it based on following the written code, but rather the conviction of the holy spirit
You ignore the fact Paul states one nan considers one day more sacred/ hoy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind rom14:5
Absolutely, doctrine is NOT based on how we feel, nor is it based on following the written code, but rather the conviction of the holy spirit
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Acts 15 only proves they did not have to keep the law to be saved as in Acts 15:1 also they did not have to be circumcised.
*James 2:12 KJV*
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
This says we are to be judged by the law of liberty. What is this law? Read the context it is the ten commandments.
*James 2:12 KJV*
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
This says we are to be judged by the law of liberty. What is this law? Read the context it is the ten commandments.
I had a set of legit questions at the beginning of this and if you don't know the answer to some of them that is ok. Please help me out here! Gimme answers and if you don't know, say, "I don't know." But please don't be rude and don't pick and choose the "easy questions". Check out the hard ones and really think about them. Sorry for the large font. I am not yelling. I just really do not want this to get over-looked.
And you misunderstand Acts 15 completely also...
Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
The question was circumcision. If you think that Acts 15 states all that is incumbent on Gentiles, then consider this...
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
So, if you contend that is the Law for the Gentiles, then a Gentile can have other Gods, curse God and take His Holy name in vain, break the Sabbath, murder, steal, lie and lust? How's about explaining this?
Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
The question was circumcision. If you think that Acts 15 states all that is incumbent on Gentiles, then consider this...
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
So, if you contend that is the Law for the Gentiles, then a Gentile can have other Gods, curse God and take His Holy name in vain, break the Sabbath, murder, steal, lie and lust? How's about explaining this?
Hi, sister!
I read your posts above. I´ve came to have the same question as you have. From what I know (and could study), none of us will achieve salvation thought works or the Law. We are under God´s Grace, and by faith we will be saved. Now, does that means that the moral laws of OT should be ignored? No. The 4th commandment, however, is not a moral law. The 2 commandments given by Jesus are a summation of the 10, but they are part of the OT.
The whole focus now is LOVE, not the Law. Does this mean Grace is a license to sin? Not at all. Tell me: if one want to honor Christ, to love Him, serve Him, will we:
- Have other gods besides God?
- Have idols and bow to them?
- Take the name of God in vain?
- Won´t honor our father and mother?
- Kill?
- Commit adultery?
- Steal?
- Bear false witness against our neighbor?
- Covet our neighbors possessions or spouse?
It´s all about loving the Lord above all things and to love our neighbors as ourselves. And again, if we love our neighbors as yourselves, will we:
- Kill?
- Commit adultery?
- Steal?
- Bear false witness against our neighbor?
- Covet our neighbors possessions or spouse?
Of course we all fail and end up sinning, but what matters in not perfection, but yet the direction your life is having. Christ is all!!!
Now, is everybody able to do what Christ´s commandments us to do in His 2 commandments (or the 10 commandments, indirectly)? The answer is no! That´s why we needed His sacrificed and we need God´s Grace. We must have a saving faith, and that means we should obey Him!
God bless you, sister!
I read your posts above. I´ve came to have the same question as you have. From what I know (and could study), none of us will achieve salvation thought works or the Law. We are under God´s Grace, and by faith we will be saved. Now, does that means that the moral laws of OT should be ignored? No. The 4th commandment, however, is not a moral law. The 2 commandments given by Jesus are a summation of the 10, but they are part of the OT.
The whole focus now is LOVE, not the Law. Does this mean Grace is a license to sin? Not at all. Tell me: if one want to honor Christ, to love Him, serve Him, will we:
- Have other gods besides God?
- Have idols and bow to them?
- Take the name of God in vain?
- Won´t honor our father and mother?
- Kill?
- Commit adultery?
- Steal?
- Bear false witness against our neighbor?
- Covet our neighbors possessions or spouse?
It´s all about loving the Lord above all things and to love our neighbors as ourselves. And again, if we love our neighbors as yourselves, will we:
- Kill?
- Commit adultery?
- Steal?
- Bear false witness against our neighbor?
- Covet our neighbors possessions or spouse?
Of course we all fail and end up sinning, but what matters in not perfection, but yet the direction your life is having. Christ is all!!!
Now, is everybody able to do what Christ´s commandments us to do in His 2 commandments (or the 10 commandments, indirectly)? The answer is no! That´s why we needed His sacrificed and we need God´s Grace. We must have a saving faith, and that means we should obey Him!
God bless you, sister!
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A gentile Christian could never have read the 10 commandments nor even knew they existed..nor ever read them in their life on order to live the Christian life..
Jesus is the fulfillment of all the law and prophets. We fulfill all the requirement of the law by being in Christ.
The law had 4 purposes.
1) To reveal our sinful state - Romans 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Jesus - Galatians 3:24
1 Timothy 1:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, ..
We who believe in Jesus are righteous. The law is not for us Christians.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Jesus is the fulfillment of all the law and prophets. We fulfill all the requirement of the law by being in Christ.
The law had 4 purposes.
1) To reveal our sinful state - Romans 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Jesus - Galatians 3:24
1 Timothy 1:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, ..
We who believe in Jesus are righteous. The law is not for us Christians.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
So you will be judged by the Ten Commandments?
You could perfectly obey the ten commandments( if that were possible) and still be condemned to hell.
There is nothing in those commandments about forgiving others, but Jesus said if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven.
And to say heaven is attained by obeying the ten commandments shows you are blinded to the truth.
The ten commandments were the ministration of death according to Paul. Yet you are trying to recreate the old covenant and tell people they have a righteousness of obedience to those laws. I hope you don't sway anyone with your false message
You could perfectly obey the ten commandments( if that were possible) and still be condemned to hell.
There is nothing in those commandments about forgiving others, but Jesus said if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven.
And to say heaven is attained by obeying the ten commandments shows you are blinded to the truth.
The ten commandments were the ministration of death according to Paul. Yet you are trying to recreate the old covenant and tell people they have a righteousness of obedience to those laws. I hope you don't sway anyone with your false message