Whoever stands before God in their own righteousness will fail. Bob was looking at his life. God has a strict standard and strict rules that we need to pass to enter His kingdom, and no one that has ever lived (except Christ) is good enough because "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3. But if Christ is covering us when we walk in front of the Judge, He will not see any fault. Heaven isn't cheap to get into, God is strict about what goes in.
Then pastor Bob died....
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I have never thought you ridiculous, your ideas of people with titles isn't ridiculous either there is truth in it but at the same time not every person with such a title is like that and also I would prefer you speak more about God and more about growing in faith than you do about such people. It's clear you have been hurt by such people and so you speak about them almost all the time but people don't dislike your posts because you speak of this but rather because of how much you do
Blain, what I have been saying for ages is when titles are worn and the clerics in place, this hampers the growth of Christians. This places the saints into silence to the back of the bus, their gifts, for the most part, ignored. Sit while paying a team to do it all. That's not Christ's vision for His body. Go back and read all my other threads. I know I'm constantly repeating scriptures and will do so until someone finally sees them for what they are. God bless. Be free from religion, be free in Christ.
And one more thought. Sometimes I know I'm ridiculous. When I was a kid my mom told me if I don't straighten up, she was gonna slap me silly! Well.....here I is!
And one more thought. Sometimes I know I'm ridiculous. When I was a kid my mom told me if I don't straighten up, she was gonna slap me silly! Well.....here I is!
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Yes. Acts 20 In verse 17 'And from Miletus he(Paul) called the elders of the church(ecclesia).
vs.33 Paul is still talking to the elders/shepherds. 'I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yes, you yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35 I have showed you all things, how that so laboring you ought to support the weak.......
The Message. With these bare hands I (Paul) took care of my own basic needs and those who worked with me: .....I have demonstrated to you (pastors) how necessary it is to work on behalf of the weak and not exploit them (take money from them).
vs.33 Paul is still talking to the elders/shepherds. 'I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yes, you yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
35 I have showed you all things, how that so laboring you ought to support the weak.......
The Message. With these bare hands I (Paul) took care of my own basic needs and those who worked with me: .....I have demonstrated to you (pastors) how necessary it is to work on behalf of the weak and not exploit them (take money from them).
Yet, I am not unaware that you use scriptures in your rants about false teachers corrupt and money grubbing preachers and people who under titles who are corrupt and such but that doesn't make it about God or for God. I can add scriptures about eating healthy or add scriptures about any kind of subject but that doesn't make it about God it's still just about the eating healthy all I did was add scriptures to try to make it appear to be Godly but it's not about God it's about eating healthy.
In the same way all those scriptures you post don't make about God it's still just about the same stuff you always talk about, many people think if you add scripture you are right in your view or that it makes your post valid but it doesn't.
In the same way all those scriptures you post don't make about God it's still just about the same stuff you always talk about, many people think if you add scripture you are right in your view or that it makes your post valid but it doesn't.
Acts 4:34-37
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Seems that tithes is a mute point if you have to give to the Church your home and land, then obviously you would give all your wages of your labor also.
Wonder who bought their lands and houses?
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Seems that tithes is a mute point if you have to give to the Church your home and land, then obviously you would give all your wages of your labor also.
Wonder who bought their lands and houses?
NT doesn't talk percentages. As many as r led of the Spirit, these are the sons of God. So if you r not led of the Spirit, even with giving, you are a 'child' of God, immature, and lacking discernment, being led of greedy men, not by the Holy Spirit.
Who is really your lord and master, Christ or the 'pastor'? Write that check, faster, faster! Sorry, I sometimes kick into the poet thing.
Who is really your lord and master, Christ or the 'pastor'? Write that check, faster, faster! Sorry, I sometimes kick into the poet thing.
You keep pushing money...what if lets say the house needs repair and they have the materials, couldn't the pastor help the weak that way without being paid.
So you do believe in tithing just as long as it is led by the Spirit? The way you wrote led me to believe that you were against all tithing. I love living in a small town, I have yet to meet a pastor that pushes tithing unless it is led by the Spirit for each individual person.
So you do believe in tithing just as long as it is led by the Spirit? The way you wrote led me to believe that you were against all tithing. I love living in a small town, I have yet to meet a pastor that pushes tithing unless it is led by the Spirit for each individual person.
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From our perspective David had every right to kill or "preach" against Saul. We are on dangerous ground going after(condemning judgement) Gods men................even if we think they are "messing" up or they are clearly "messing" up. God will deal with them.
New American Standard Bible
So he said to his men, "Far be it from me because of the LORD that I should do this thing to my lord, the LORD'S anointed, to stretch out my hand against him, since he is the LORD'S anointed."
New American Standard Bible
So he said to his men, "Far be it from me because of the LORD that I should do this thing to my lord, the LORD'S anointed, to stretch out my hand against him, since he is the LORD'S anointed."
John wrote of Diotrephes error. Paul wrote of wolves rising up in the midst of the folks. Warnings abundant about the false cleric system.Matt.20 'it shall not be so among you'.
David and his men were on the run from Saul. David didn't seek to kill him but he sure wasn't going to just lay down with his mouth shut and let Saul kill him.
No one is going to try to kill pastors, just pointing out the gross errors they are caught up in. No where in the NT are we ordered to stand down and turn a blind eye to heresy, false doctrine, false teachers, false apostles, false traditions of men, hirelings, wolves, false prophets, apostasy, etc., etc..
We are commanded to expose them and set the sheep free from their ungodly grip. Now many men that are caught up in the exalted for pay paradigm of 'pastor', are ignorant of what they are doing? They are just doing what they've been taught and it's destroying sheep nonetheless. They need to wake up to what the bible really says.
David and his men were on the run from Saul. David didn't seek to kill him but he sure wasn't going to just lay down with his mouth shut and let Saul kill him.
No one is going to try to kill pastors, just pointing out the gross errors they are caught up in. No where in the NT are we ordered to stand down and turn a blind eye to heresy, false doctrine, false teachers, false apostles, false traditions of men, hirelings, wolves, false prophets, apostasy, etc., etc..
We are commanded to expose them and set the sheep free from their ungodly grip. Now many men that are caught up in the exalted for pay paradigm of 'pastor', are ignorant of what they are doing? They are just doing what they've been taught and it's destroying sheep nonetheless. They need to wake up to what the bible really says.
They were helping Paul as itenerent preachers, not fixed in a local assembly. They freely received and they freely gave out the gospel, without charge.
They had a legal right to support as such, but Paul refused, for the most part, to accept it, lest the gospel be hindered by those that would accuse Paul of profiting.
Thats ok if you don't get it right away because of all the religious money flow we see today. You got to slow down and study this out on your own. It will shock and shake your concept of what you thought church should be.
Compare the first century ecclesia with what we falsely call 'church' today, and you'll find little resemblance.
They had a legal right to support as such, but Paul refused, for the most part, to accept it, lest the gospel be hindered by those that would accuse Paul of profiting.
Thats ok if you don't get it right away because of all the religious money flow we see today. You got to slow down and study this out on your own. It will shock and shake your concept of what you thought church should be.
Compare the first century ecclesia with what we falsely call 'church' today, and you'll find little resemblance.
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Visited a church this morning and the pastor made a comment that being a preacher and being a pastor are different. One difference he said is that a preacher preaches and goes to the next church, revival, etc., while a pastor teaches and is willing to lay down his life for his flock. He said "People may think it's for the money. Believe me, it's not. The reason I take minimal pay is because the money is for the church and its needs, like the roof repair a few years ago which cost $40,000. Those who do it for a living are called hirelings", and then he proceeded to quote John 10 verses 12 and 13. The message was on Eph:11-16, and the comment he made pertained to verse 11.
Psalm 119: 121,122,126,128
I have done judgment and justice, leave me not to my oppressors.
Be surety for thy servant for good: let not the proud oppress me.
It is time for Thee, Lord to work: for they have made void Thy law. (With their traditions. I guess some things never change).
Therefore I esteem all Thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way. (I like the way God laid things out. I know, I know. Silly me).
I have done judgment and justice, leave me not to my oppressors.
Be surety for thy servant for good: let not the proud oppress me.
It is time for Thee, Lord to work: for they have made void Thy law. (With their traditions. I guess some things never change).
Therefore I esteem all Thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way. (I like the way God laid things out. I know, I know. Silly me).
