IS GOD SOVEREIGN

Josefnospam · Feb 19, 2016

What a great honor our Sovereign God has bestowed on his people

The HONOR of being partakers of his Divine nature
The HONOR of being called his son, or daughter
The HONOR of calling the Great Jehovah God, "My Father"
The HONOR of being in a living union with Jesus Christ, the true and living God ..... FOREVER

Did you ever notice what a great difference there is between the God who is revealed in the Bible and the god that is being preached today? The God of the prophets and apostles is not even similar to the god of todays preachers. The modern concept of God, which is prevalent today, even among those who profess to believe the Bible is a miserable misconception and a terrible perversion of the truth.
The God of the 20th century is a helpless, effeminate creature who commands the respect of no truly thoughtful man. The god of this age is nothing more than an emotional, sentimental, sympathetic being without any real power. The god who is preached in most pulpits, even in the most conservative churches , is an object to be pitied, not a GOD to be worshiped.
To say that God the father has purposed the salvation of mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race and that God the holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ, when with common observation it is apparent that the great majority of our fellow men are dying in sin and passing into a hopeless eternity is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated .

I state this very plainly but there is no escaping this conclusion. Let me be perfectly understood. To say that God is trying his best to save all men, but that the majority of men will not let God save them is to say that the will of God is impotent and the will of man is omnipotent. that is nothing short of blasphemy! Many try to blame Satan but that doesn't work. If Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then Satan is almighty and God is no longer supreme. And that is also blasphemy.

Brethren, if we believe God is sovereign and worship him in spirit and truth, then the GREAT HONOR of being his child is bestowed upon us. What a blessing it is to give God all the honor, praise and Glory due his name FOREVER, Jesus Christ the Lord.

Grace777x70 · Feb 19, 2016

God is sovereign ....however His will is not always being done on this earth....there is a difference from being in charge and being in control of everything...He is not in control of everything that happens on this earth now....here is a short video about it..

[video=youtube;L9XuZKweX-0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9XuZKweX-0[/video]

John146 · Feb 19, 2016

Do we sin? Is it God's will that we sin? Of course not. Sovereign is a secret password to let others know you are a Calvinist.

phil112 · Feb 19, 2016

Josefnospam said:

I have no clue where you go to church but you should go somewhere else. I have never heard such a god preached from a pulpit and I have been in several churches.

kaylagrl · Feb 19, 2016

Josefnospam said:

What a great honor our Sovereign God has bestowed on his people

The HONOR of being partakers of his Divine nature
The HONOR of being called his son, or daughter
The HONOR of calling the Great Jehovah God, "My Father"
The HONOR of being in a living union with Jesus Christ, the true and living God ..... FOREVER

Did you ever notice what a great difference there is between the God who is revealed in the Bible and the god that is being preached today? The God of the prophets and apostles is not even similar to the god of todays preachers. The modern concept of God, which is prevalent today, even among those who profess to believe the Bible is a miserable misconception and a terrible perversion of the truth.
The God of the 20th century is a helpless, effeminate creature who commands the respect of no truly thoughtful man. The god of this age is nothing more than an emotional, sentimental, sympathetic being without any real power. The god who is preached in most pulpits, even in the most conservative churches , is an object to be pitied, not a GOD to be worshiped.
To say that God the father has purposed the salvation of mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race and that God the holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ, when with common observation it is apparent that the great majority of our fellow men are dying in sin and passing into a hopeless eternity is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated .

I state this very plainly but there is no escaping this conclusion. Let me be perfectly understood. To say that God is trying his best to save all men, but that the majority of men will not let God save them is to say that the will of God is impotent and the will of man is omnipotent. that is nothing short of blasphemy! Many try to blame Satan but that doesn't work. If Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then Satan is almighty and God is no longer supreme. And that is also blasphemy.

Brethren, if we believe God is sovereign and worship him in spirit and truth, then the GREAT HONOR of being his child is bestowed upon us. What a blessing it is to give God all the honor, praise and Glory due his name FOREVER, Jesus Christ the Lord.

Could you please explain this verse to me Matt 7-"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

NayborBear · Feb 19, 2016

You bet yer sweet shank ponies God is sovereign!

You can bet your sweet shank ponies, on this as well. ALL of satan's efforts, are focused into reasoning a man away from Gods' sovereignty (apostasy). And, wherever Gods' sovereignty is not? Chaos, and confusion run rampant.

One of satans' many accomplishments, has been the melding of his own existence, while simultaneously, at the same time, negating Gods' sovereignty, replacing it with his (supposed) own!

bikerchaz · Feb 19, 2016

Josefnospam said:

I liked reading this, it made me smile to myself, although I don't think I quite agree with who is being preached from the pulpit. Saying that, there was an incident a while ago when the pastor of my church went to an inter church thing and gave the word at a Methodist church one Sunday morning. I met one of the Methodist parishioners that week and we talked a bit, as she was a neighbour of mine, but within the conversation she mentioned how we were "another religion" and it was good to here something different.
I have presumed most churches are the same overall, the pastor is there to do a job and has been to seminary and got qualified to preach, got a house, a nice parish and a job for life. The Church I went to was a Spirit led, independent Church and as such became quite different from most churches around us. It soon became clear that the "growing in maturity" Paul talked about would turn the normal church upside down, it leaves the pew sitter with a dilemma, because of responsibilities. It also puts the preacher out of a job eventually, because we should all be growing to full maturity and picking up the reigns of the role of preacher, pastor, or vicar as we grow. If someone then wants a job to teach new Christians how to grow into mature ones they will have to look elsewhere. Our church as a group of people who meet in a building became redundant, we now have church in every living room and parlour, the focus is on 'us being Church' and growing to full maturity. The responsibility is very big, in fact it weighs so heavy that over half the former church members now go elsewhere to be fed, instead of feeding themselves and learning to cook (spiritually).
The upshot of all this is 'relationship' as a child being able to call God 'daddy', it is a wonderful thing, and being saved as well, there is no end to His wonderful provision.
It seems to me that this relationship is what is missing from the church teaching, surly the 'Good news' is that there can be a reconciliation between man and God through accepting what Jesus did on the cross as a covering for our sinful nature. Here to is a bug bear for the world, because they do not see themselves as sinful, the world immediately turns these phrases into an accusing tirade on the worlds view, saying " you are accusing me before you know me". But we do know that every human truly understands there is more to this life than just existing, Paul talks about the things God has made known to men and that they will have no excuses when stood before Jesus on "that day".

phil36 · Feb 19, 2016

For some reason posted twice see below.

phil36 · Feb 19, 2016

I think we can all agree God is Sovereign.

That means God is both in charge and in control.

Isaiah 45:6-7 ESV

That people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.

Proverbs 19:21 ESV

Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.

Jesus commanded evil, Demons, sickness, nature...sounds like a God in charge and in control to me. I also believe God has a determined plan and purpose cf. Jer 29:11; Rom 8:28; Matt 19:26; Prov 16:4.

Psalm 2..also shows who is in charge and control..the one Sovereign God.

Grace777x70 · Feb 19, 2016

He did a great job being "in charge" by bringing Hitler and the other tyrants to come about to try to destroy people. Then He wants us to pray against such people.

God is not schizophrenic. He doesn't bring evil and then have Jesus come to undo the works of satan. So God is working against the Son?...foolish religious nonsense...

No, we as man on this earth have a part to play working with Him in kingdom authority under His headship and direction to destroy the works of the enemy.

This scripture would make God a thief and against Jesus.

John 10:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

Acts 10:38 (KJV)

[SUP]38 [/SUP] How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. ( no schizophrenia here )

1 John 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. ( no schizophrenia here )

God's purposes will prevail and He uses the prayers of the saints to get things done on the earth as well. Not everything that happens is from God. Jesus rebuking the storm would have been rebuking God.

Grace777x70 · Feb 19, 2016

Sometimes things get lost by the translators too......let's look at Isaiah 45:7 afresh. Here is a view that would be consistent with Jesus revealing the true nature of the Father to us.

Darkness is the absence of light. The absence of light existed before God created light (Genesis 1:2). So, God didn’t really “create” darkness. But God forms the light and defines anything other than light as darkness. Likewise, the Lord doesn’t create evil, but establishes peace and calls anything else evil.

Vine’s Expository Dictionary says that the Hebrew word “RA’,” which was translated “evil” in this verse, “refers to that which is ‘bad’ or ‘evil,’ in a wide variety of applications.”

Vine’s usage note on this word in this verse says, “In Isaiah 45:7 Yahweh describes His actions by saying, ’...I make peace, and create evil [RA’]...’; moral ‘evil’ is not intended in this context, but rather the antithesis of SHALOM (‘peace; welfare; well-being’). The whole verse affirms that as absolute Sovereign, the Lord creates a universe governed by a moral order. Calamity and misfortune will surely ensue from the wickedness of ungodly men.”

Therefore, this verse is saying that God creates moral order and defines anything that doesn’t conform to that morality as evil. Only in that sense does He create evil. He determines or defines what evil is. This is not saying the Lord originates or promotes evil.

The Scriptures do say the Lord sent evil angels among people (Psalms 78:49). This is in reference to the death angel passing among the Egyptians and killing all the firstborn (Exodus 12:29-30). This angel wasn’t evil in the sense that it was demonic, but it was evil in the sense that it brought evil or punishment upon the Egyptians.

The American Heritage Dictionary says the word “evil” means not only “morally bad or wrong; wicked,” but it also means “harmful, injurious.” The death angel and other angels who brought the plagues on Egypt were “evil” in the sense that they were harmful to the Egyptians. This is the way “the evil spirit from the LORD” (1 Samuel 16:14-16) was upon Saul. This wasn’t a demonic spirit but a godly angelic spirit that was sent for punishment upon Saul. It was God’s judgment upon Saul. Things like that will not happen to us as New Testament believers. All of our judgment has been placed on Jesus (see my note at John 12:32).

Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.

phil36 · Feb 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Hi Grace777,

I find your post hard to follow. God is not the author of sin and he des not sin, however, would you not agree with scripture that God has used evil for His purposes? That means he is in charge and in control.

Hab 1:5-11; Prov 16:4; Rom 8:28 (all things means all things - good and bad ask Joseph).

The best example is the cross... who crucified Jesus, was it pontias, the religious elite, the people or God. Ultimately it was God himself it was His plan - he used evil to accomplish His purpose.

Grace777x70 · Feb 19, 2016

Here is a short video that will make things clear....only 11 minutes long.....enjoy...

[video=youtube;LmJT6nTTk0A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmJT6nTTk0A[/video]

crossnote · Feb 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

If His will is not being done it is only because He is not allowing it to be done...which is His will.

crossnote · Feb 19, 2016

Just because evil happens, it does not mean God is not in control of it...

Genesis 50:20 KJVS
[20] But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Magenta · Feb 19, 2016

I find it helpful to think of God's will as being three fold:

Permissive (He allows self will in humanity, also called free will = the birth of evil)

Moral (best exemplified in His commandments, fulfilled by love = the antidote to evil)

Sovereign (He is in control of all things, not seeking our counsel to accomplish His purposes)

NotmebutHim · Feb 19, 2016

What we have to remember is that anything we perceive to be out of God's control is, in fact, in His control. His decretive will and His sovereignty is too much for our finite minds to comprehend.

As the Scriptures say:

"A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps" - Proverbs 16:9

"There is no wisdom or understanding or counsel against the Lord" - Proverbs 21:30

"God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" - Numbers 23:19

"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, “What have You done?” - Daniel 4:35

There are other examples of course, but I'll leave it here.

phil36 · Feb 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Hi grace777,

Did you actually listen to what this woman is saying...She seems a bit confused. listen to 3.19- 3:26 that seems a very starnge thing to say considering what scripture says... Is God in control of your day to day life..just previous to this she says ''God wants to be a part of your life....He loves you, then she says ' is God in control of your day to day life...not always [my paraphrase]. So how can one tell if God is or isnt in control (yes I watched the vid...) it was a confused message if you actually listen very carefully.

Again, if a King is not in control he is not in charge. This does not anull your freedom in Christ... it excludes man thinking he is free in himself..which even christians still think they are.

Hab 1:5-11; Prov 16:4; Rom 8:28 (all things means all things - good and bad ask Joseph).

The best example is the cross... who crucified Jesus, was it pontias, the religious elite, the people or God. Ultimately it was God himself it was His plan - he used evil to accomplish His purpose.

Grace777x70 · Feb 19, 2016

I had no trouble with what she was saying ...it made perfect sense to me...

..so if I go out and kill everyone in a nursing home...is God controlling me to do that?..of course not...you have to use some context when we listen to things...

God can certainly bring good out of bad things but He doesn't cause the bad things to happen in order to bring out the good...that's a sick "god" from a construct of our own minds.

Jesus is perfect theology...show me where He caused bad things to happen to people. Show me where He put sickness on them...show me where He destroyed people's lives.

Jesus is the exact representation of the Father's true nature. So, just show me the scriptures of Jesus bringing sickness and destruction onto people while He was here on this earth while revealing the true nature of the Father and we'll go from there..thanks!

phil36 said:

Grace777x70 · Feb 19, 2016

This is a great scripture that shows God can bring good out of bad things done...in this case the life of Joseph. This does not show that God caused his brother's to treat him like they did. God doesn't do things to bring about evil.

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