Be born again from water and Spirit John Chapter 3

[Grace777x70]

LOL...good one!....it's kinda hard to wash the baby from the inside before they even get out...that made me laugh..thanks!

i think that if you have put your trust in Jesus the Christ to redeem you from sin,
then you should be baptized in H[SUB]2[/SUB]O as soon as you can,
to show everyone that you have already been born again.

when a baby is born, the doctor washes him or her soon afterwards -- but not before

 

[mpaper345]

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Bible says that baptism does save us,not by the washing of the flesh,but a good conscience toward God.

Some people think baptism is not necessary for salvation,but it appears that we have to identify with the man Christ Jesus,which the sins of the world were placed on Him,and He died,was buried,and was resurrected,and we have to do all 3 by repenting of our sins,and being baptized,which is for the remission of sins,and receiving the Holy Spirit.

Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

John knew that Jesus did not need to be baptized unto repentance,for He is sinless,but Jesus said it had to be done to fulfill all righteousness.If Jesus was baptized,who was sinless,and did not need to be baptized,except to fulfill righteousness,then who are we to think we do not need to be baptized,or it is not important,especially when we are sinners,and it is for the washing away of sins.

We have to identify with the man Christ Jesus,by the 3 things He went through,by repenting of our sins,being baptized in water,which we are baptized into His death,when He laid down the sins of the world,and receive the Spirit,resurrect to newness of life.

 

[mailmandan]

In John 3:5, Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit" He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit. To automatically read baptism into this verse simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Notice in John 7:38, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER. 39 But this He spoke concerning the SPIRIT.. If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or means of becoming born again. In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. *Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. *Living water is not water baptism. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.

In John 3:5, Jesus makes reference to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit (the source of living water) at the moment of salvation and not to becoming born again by water baptism, as taught by false religions and cults.

 

[WebersHome]

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The Watch Tower Society's NWT translates a portion of John 4:24 like this:

"God is a Spirit"

The Watch Tower Society spelled "Spirit" upper case; but not all translators
do. For example the NIV, the NAS, and the NASB spell "spirit" lower case.

Anyway, the NWT has Christ moving on to say:

"and those worshiping him must worship with spirit"

The Kingdom Interlinear doesn't translate the Greek word έv as the English
word "with" rather, as the word "in".

Seeing as how the Interlinear trumps the NWT; then we should plug "in" into
Christ's statement, so that it looks like this:

"and those worshiping him must worship in spirit"

It looks to me that Christ was saying that his Father wants people to worship
Him spirit to spirit; which is a bit problematic for Jehovah's Witnesses
because according to Watch Tower Society theology, humans are entirely
physical. If it's true that humans lack a spirit component to their existence,
then in their natural-born, totally organic condition, humans are incapable of
worshipping God as He would like.

This is a crucial issue because according to Christ, spirit to spirit worship of
God isn't optional; no, it's a must.

The answer to this dilemma is of course the living water about which Christ
spoke with the Samaritan woman in the fourth chapter of John. That water
equips people with a spirit component to their existence in which they can
worship God as He would like; hence Christ's statement that no one can enter
the kingdom of God unless they are first born of water (John 3:5).

Seeing as how Christ allowed no exceptions; then even Old Testament
luminaries like Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth,
Daniel, and David too; all, at some time in their lives, had to partake of the
living water in order to qualify for entry into the kingdom of God.

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[thepsalmist]

Hello I believe that born again from water means baptism .How you think?

To me, water means ... The Word, truth, the bible ... JESUS CHRIST.

 

[valiant]

Hello I believe that born again from water means baptism .How you think?

John 3:8 says
The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the voice thereof, but know not whence it comes and whither it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

doesn't sound like water baptism to me. more like Isaiah 44.1-5 and John 4.10-14

 

[WebersHome]

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It's a bit curious to me why people guess at the nature of the water Jesus
spoke of with Nicodemus when he explained it in the very next chapter
during his conversation with the Samaritan woman.

The final call in the Bible is an invitation to step up and request the very same
water that Jesus offered that woman.

†. Rev 22:17 . . And the Spirit and the bride say: Come. And let the one who
hears say: Come. And let the one who is thirsty come. Let the one who
wishes take the water of life without cost.

According to John 3:5, the water isn't optional, no, it's or-else.

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[mailmandan]

John 3:8 says
The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the voice thereof, but know not whence it comes and whither it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

doesn't sound like water baptism to me. more like Isaiah 44.1-5 and John 4.10-14

Doesn't sound like water baptism to me either. Simply reading this verse in context would give one no reason to assume Jesus was speaking of water baptism, unless one was looking to read into the passage a "preconceived idea or theology." John 3:5 fits perfectly with John 4:10-14. It's interesting that you mentioned Isaiah 44:1-5. Also we read in the Old Testament:

In Jeremiah 2:13, God Himself is called the "fountain of living water." For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living water, (compare with John 4:14 - ..fountain of water springing up into everlasting life) And hewn themselves cisterns--broken cisterns that can hold no water.

In Isaiah 12:3 we read, "With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation." The sons of Korah sang, "As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, O God. My soul thirsts for God, for the living God (Psalm 42:1-2). *Certainly not talking about water baptism.

 

[directline2iam]

Acts 19:4 Blue_ladybug; maybe one should reread this and come to the undderstanding that the water baptizem was the works of the Word repentence. They go hand in hand as it plainly states. Notice it says WITH a baptizem of repentence? What were they repenting oof?? Their unbelief right? Water baptizem and Spirit baptizem are all intergal parts of eternal life::::Matt 21:25 The baptizem of John, where was it from? Froom heaven or from men?

 

[directline2iam]

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ HAVE PUT ON Christ.

 

[mailmandan]

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ HAVE PUT ON Christ.

Now for the word "enduo" (PUT ON). This word also appears in Romans 13:14 where we read, "But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill it’s lusts." Evidently then, baptism is not the only way to "put on" Christ. To "put on" Christ is to conform to Him, imitate Him. So it is in baptism; we "put on" Christ, conforming to Him in the ordinance that declares Him to be our Savior.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hello I believe that born again from water means baptism .How you think?

I think Jesus was talking about water baptism in John 3. IMO when he said born of water and spirit he was referring to one operation that Peter also described in Acts 2, i.e., be water baptized and (then) you will receive the spirit.

The spirit fell on Cornelius, et al., before they were water baptized (Acts 10), but that of itself doesn't mean that they had been regenerated, because the holy spirit similarly fell upon King Saul when he was an evil unregenerate.

And [Saul] went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, [Is] Saul also among the prophets? 1 Samuel 19:23-24​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ HAVE PUT ON Christ.

Paul tells us here, those who are baptized into Christ (no water is mentioned) through faith, have put on Christ, Or been united with him.

Baptizo is the action verb, Christ is the subject. The term in the greek literally means to be baptized into Christ. Just as the people of Moses were baptized into moses. Same meaning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As for John 3, This is what Jesus said.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, [SUP]15 [/SUP]that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[SUP][b][/SUP] have eternal life. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [SUP]18 [/SUP]“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[SUP]19 [/SUP]And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Interesting that Jesus would tell Nicodemus he must be born again to be untied with God, Yet for some reason Jesus left out, that he had to not only believe, but be baptized to be born again. I must ask, If baptism is what Jesus meant, Why did he leave it out? Church baptism was not even instituted yet, They were still under law because Christ had not yet died, Baptism was not a requirement of the law

Nor is it a requirement for the NT believer, We are born again just the way Jesu said, By faith in him, who came not to judge the world. but to save it.


The question I had to ask myself is do I trust God to keep that promise..

 

[FreeNChrist]

The context is all about birth, physical birth and spiritual birth. Jesus is saying what He is saying because He is speaking to a Jew who believed that just being born physically as a Jew made him fit for the kingdom. To which Jesus says no, “that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” If you want to be made fit for the kingdom you must be born of the Spirit.

 

[posthuman]

if you were born of your mother, and born of water, and born of spirit, that would be three births. Nicodemus having been already born naturally, would have been advised not to "be born again" but "be born again and again"

but if we recognize that "born of water" is reference to natural human birth, there are only two births, water and spirit, and only one rebirth.

 

[plaintalk]

# 2 A literal interpretation, "water" means "water" and "Spirit" means "Spirit", of John 3: 5 is called for unless there is some indication that a figurative interpretation is needed or a literal interpretation is not consistent in itself or with other passages. Jesus said we must be born again. Nicodemus mistakenly thought He was speaking of physical birth. Jesus corrected him by saying that one must be born of water and the Spirit. The one spiritual birth has two elements, water and the Spirit. It would be nonsensical for Jesus to tell an old man that he must be born of "water of the womb,"
God reveals His will to us as He wills, not necessarily according to our expectations.
When we by faith obey God by repenting and being baptized in the name of Christ for the forgiveness of our sins, Jesus pours out the Holy Spirit richly upon us, immersing us with the Spirit; this Spirit anoints us, consecrating us to God's service, regenerates and renews us and dwells in us. God gives the Spirit to his children. (Gal. 4: 6)
No, IMO being born again takes place after one believes in Jesus and after we become a child of God.
We are born again when we come forth from the water and the Spirit in which we have been immersed.
Water baptism, in the name of Christ, is very much a part of of receiving the newness of life. (Rom. 6: 4) We are baptized into Christ, and life is in the Son. (1 John 5: 11) We are saved by grace through faith but not through faith alone.
God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

# 7 Yes, those of us who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death, we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death and our old self was crucified with Him so that we might arise with Him in the likeness of His resurrection and be freed from our sins. (Rom. 6: 3-7) This is God's doing as we are His workmanship. (1 Cor. 1: 30; Eph. 2: 10) God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

# 8 We are born of fluid when we are immersed in fluid and then come forth from that fluid. Jesus "went up immediately from the water" (Matt. 3: 16), both Philip and the eunuch "came up out of the water." (Acts 8: 39) Baptism is an immersion. God bless.

 

[plaintalk]

*9 We are born again of water and the Spirit. (John 3: 3, 5) God bless.