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trofimus

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According to my friend, he argues about them being Muslim including Jesus. To him Islam began from Adam !
Not according to Christ and his apostles. And they are more credible to me than your friend or Muhammad, who personally killed people and tortured them.
We can see the fruits of his teaching on the whole world, now getting to Europe too.
And Christ said - you will know them by their fruits.

List of Islamic Terror Attacks
 
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bikerchaz

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Hi all,

I recently joined the forum. I am not christian. Someone here told me only Christians will go to heaven. Why is that so? I believe Jews(not all) and Muslims also believe in heaven. Why only Christians will go to Paradise?
Hi, If you are not a Christian then you will not understand. If you feel a calling on your life then follow it and do not be afraid of the consequences.

I started to read through this thread but didn't because I felt guided not to. There is a way forward for you and you hold the key within your own heart.

There is a deity (God the Father) that created all from nothing. His creation was perfect in every way, He also created beings of spirit to fulfil His will within the realms of His creation. Then He created man and woman from the dust of the earth and gave them dominion over His creation, but they disobeyed Him and bought death into this world by their actions.

To cover their sin He made "coats of skins" which was the first instance of life taken to cover sin.

Now in this life we live, the only certain thing is death. It is called 'the great leveller'. But it is something we will all have to face but it is not the end. Just as blood was shed to cover the first sin so God took of himself and became flesh here on earth, and as a man as we are, He followed His Fathers direction to instigate for those who would believe in Him the relationship we had with the Father before the first sin was committed, where God walked and talked with His creation on a daily basis.

This is the relationship we are offered through the one who came down from heaven to suffer and die as the ultimate sacrifice once and for all. This Jesus is the one who after dying God raised from the dead because He was faultless and did not sin. So death could not hold Him and being raised from the dead, Jesus became the first fruits, the first among those who live to be raised to no longer be under the hold of death.

And in doing so He has made a way for us to be with Him and to have a perfect relationship with the creator God as was created at the first when God first made man and walked and talked with him.

To this end if you will accept His sacrifice, He will give you the Holy Spirit as a deposit of the life to come, to lead you in truth and to bring to your mind and heart the things of Him. To lead you in all righteousness and to give you eternal life so you will not see death because your death was suffered on the Cross that took His life, Jesus life.

I will pray for you that God will open your heart and remove all obstacles in the way, so you can make the choice to accept Him as your saviour, In Jesus name.
 
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Maybe I'm illogical or it's my Jewish blood, but I don't get this logical thing. Just pop an arm out in Jesus' Name and the logical explanation to me is that He is God.
So logically Hindus believe in millions of gods and that makes it true cuz they believe so?
 
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Not according to Christ and his apostles. And they are more credible to me than your friend or Muhammad, who personally killed people and tortured them.
We can see the fruits of his teaching on the whole world, now getting to Europe too.
And Christ said - you will know them by their fruits.

List of Islamic Terror Attacks
Honestly speaking Christians are the terrorists by your logic because it's America & Britain who go in Muslim lands and kill in millions and u blame them. I hate when people speak without any knowledge !! Crusades speak too about love of Christianity? Speaking about facts America & their allies must stop aggression on Muslim lands. No doubt again Saudi, Iran etc are terrorists but organizations like IS and Taliban are a result of America's and Britain's continuous aggression in Iraq & Afghanistan killing the local population !!

If IS is Islamic terrorism, then there is no bigger terrorist than christians because of what America & Britain do.

There is no solution but to stop interfering in how the others want to live. If Americans want freedom, they can have it in their own lands & let Muslims have their law. If anyone wants to impose their laws on other lands, then there will be chaos always !!
 
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coby

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So logically Hindus believe in millions of gods and that makes it true cuz they believe so?
No but if they raise people from the dead now and it doesn't happen with christians I'd think they were right.
 
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No but if they raise people from the dead now and it doesn't happen with christians I'd think they were right.
In Hindu religion they have account of few instance of dead coming to life !!
 
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coby

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In Hindu religion they have account of few instance of dead coming to life !!
Recently? Lol I'm just the same as I accuse atheists of. First I want to see evidence. Oh but it also happens normally.
Elijah said: the God that answers by fire let Him be God. Ask the true God to reveal Himself to you.
 

trofimus

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Honestly speaking Christians are the terrorists by your logic because it's America & Britain who... because of what America & Britain do..
No. And there is why.
When you look at Christ, apostles and New Testament, you see no violence, no wars, no killing.
When you look at Mohamed and his descendants, you see violence, wars, killing.

So when christians are doing what their Master and first leaders did not do, they are not acting as christians, obviously. They are not good christians.
When muslims follow jihad, they follow their master and first leaders, they are "good muslims".

That is the difference.

Another difference, you speak about countries with their governments and armies, I about common believers in a specific religion, no matter of the country.
 
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No. And there is why.
When you look at Christ, apostles and New Testament, you see no violence, no wars, no killing.
When you look at Mohamed and his descendants, you see violence, wars, killing.

So when christians are doing what their Master and first leaders did not do, they are not acting as christians, obviously. They are not good christians.
When muslims follow jihad, they follow their master and first leaders, they are "good muslims".

That is the difference.

Another difference, you speak about countries with their governments and armies, I about common believers in a specific religion, no matter of the country.
Sugar coating does not hide what's inside. There isn't more blood than on the hands of crusaders. I must tell you i love history and know enough about both religions. So when Muslims kill, they kill because of religion & when Christians kill, they are not acting Christians. I can say the other way around. That won't change anything. I am here to debate on teachings in Bible & Qur'an(which i ask questions to my Muslim friend at my college). Not what both do. If I judge on what both do, then there is too much blood on Christian hands even today than on Muslims. I don't know much about what Bible & Quran teach on fighting, that's a later topic which i need not debate (I will find that out myself in Bible & Quran) but now let's now judge book by the followers but what the books teach. I hope we can agree on that !!
 

trofimus

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Sugar coating does not hide what's inside. There isn't more blood than on the hands of crusaders. I must tell you i love history and know enough about both religions. So when Muslims kill, they kill because of religion & when Christians kill, they are not acting Christians. I can say the other way around. That won't change anything. I am here to debate on teachings in Bible & Qur'an(which i ask questions to my Muslim friend at my college). Not what both do. If I judge on what both do, then there is too much blood on Christian hands even today than on Muslims. I don't know much about what Bible & Quran teach on fighting, that's a later topic which i need not debate (I will find that out myself in Bible & Quran) but now let's now judge book by the followers but what the books teach. I hope we can agree on that !!
That is not any sugar coating. Its the difference between the foundations of these two faiths - difference between Christ and Mohamed. First was killed, the second was killing. First was tortured, second was torturing others. First lived in a celibate, second had a harem. First tought about loving your enemy and God forgiving sinners, second about killing the enemies of Allah.

You cant miss this important point and see history of crusades right. And its not only about inter-national wars, its mainly about the behaviour in communities, countries etc.
 

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Sugar coating does not hide what's inside. There isn't more blood than on the hands of crusaders. I must tell you i love history and know enough about both religions. So when Muslims kill, they kill because of religion & when Christians kill, they are not acting Christians. I can say the other way around. That won't change anything. I am here to debate on teachings in Bible & Qur'an(which i ask questions to my Muslim friend at my college). Not what both do. If I judge on what both do, then there is too much blood on Christian hands even today than on Muslims. I don't know much about what Bible & Quran teach on fighting, that's a later topic which i need not debate (I will find that out myself in Bible & Quran) but now let's now judge book by the followers but what the books teach. I hope we can agree on that !!
How about you stop playing coy and compare Christianity with Jesus Christ and Islam with Mohammad? which one was pure and holy?

The Eternal God Who created all that is has declared that to enter into His kingdom one must have forgiveness of their sins. No sin may stand in the presence of God Who is God and there is no other beside Him.

For the cause of Christ
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He's a TROLL, folks. C'mon, stop feeding him.
 
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popeye

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I believe no living saviour is needed, God himself can forgive if he wants right?
Ok,the bible is written to us believers.

That is why it does not make SENSE to you.
It is not supposed to make sense.

Your car manual was written to the owner,not a nun in a convent.
You tell her the car needs gasoline in the gas tank,and oil in the engine,she might see,in her mind,oil in the furnace and gas in the stove.
Does her no good at all.

not saying you can not read,explore and enjoy God's word (the bible),but at some point you got to stop telling us and God what is wrong with his book.
 
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popeye

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Sugar coating does not hide what's inside. There isn't more blood than on the hands of crusaders. I must tell you i love history and know enough about both religions. So when Muslims kill, they kill because of religion & when Christians kill, they are not acting Christians. I can say the other way around. That won't change anything. I am here to debate on teachings in Bible & Qur'an(which i ask questions to my Muslim friend at my college). Not what both do. If I judge on what both do, then there is too much blood on Christian hands even today than on Muslims. I don't know much about what Bible & Quran teach on fighting, that's a later topic which i need not debate (I will find that out myself in Bible & Quran) but now let's now judge book by the followers but what the books teach. I hope we can agree on that !!

Mask slips down .

Reaches up to adjust.

Too late.

Muslim across forehead is read by any who care to see it.

LOL crusader lie was to obvious.
 
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Only those who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be with Jesus forever.

All those who have rejected Jesus like the Muslims, Hind's and so on, will be tossed into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity to be in constant pain and misery.

Its not about what others have done or will do its all about you. Have you accepted Jesus? Do you Worship and walk with Jesus? Or have you rejected Jesus to follow the false gods of this World?

Its your decision. Accept Jesus and be in Paradise for all Eternity or reject Jesus and regret it for all Eternity in the Lake of Fire.
 

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It's ok folks, he's gone! Banned for being a Muslim, I presume

I just pray that through all the words we have spoken as to what following Jesus, that one day his heart will turn towards the living God and Saviour, Jesus Christ. We won't know until eternity, but I do know that God's Word does not return void.

"so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." Isa. 55:11
 

trofimus

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It's ok folks, he's gone! Banned for being a Muslim, I presume

I just pray that through all the words we have spoken as to what following Jesus, that one day his heart will turn towards the living God and Saviour, Jesus Christ. We won't know until eternity, but I do know that God's Word does not return void.

"so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." Isa. 55:11
Its not ok. If somebody discuss without personal attacks and in his own created thread, there is no reason to be hostile towards him, to call him troll and/or ban him because he is a muslim or whatever.
 

trofimus

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There is no logic, in faith! It will not hold logically in your mind, and is therefore, dismissed, as (a) folly!
You cant get full saving faith from being logical about what happened 2 000 years ago.
But that does not mean that there is no logic in faith.