Married People's Opinions on Singleness: No Thank You.

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I like it even better when single people give advice on marriage.. :rolleyes:


..and Hi Crimson! :)
 

Tinkerbell725

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As a biblical counselor I can see both points about this discussion. Some people feel more open to share with like minded counselors for advice. But I have to agree with TinkerBell725 who makes a very strong point that it's not who the counselor is, but the counsel. Godly counsel comes from the scriptures. Those who understand the scriptures can give godly advice regardless of whether we are walking in the same shoes so to speak. I counsel those who are single, those who are married and those who are divorced. I also counsel men and while I am not a man - I don't stop counseling men just because I am not one.

We all have life experiences that can be shared and we all have things we will never experience, but if we have love and empathy and a desire to help someone in need we can all be helpful in one way or another to some totally opposite of who you are.

If a person fills more comfortable finding some who has the same experiences because for them it lends to their credibility, by all means go to them. If you don't want to read about about singleness from a married man than fine, but never under estimate or disregard the godly wisdom a brother or sister in Christ can impart to reveal truth and helps someone in need.

While I do understand it does help to find someone who can relate on a personal level I don't discount that God may use someone who can't relate, but has a deep understanding for God's Word because ultimately it's what God says about the issue that is really what is important.
Thank you very much for that gentleheart. Very well and clearly said. It's not about us, it's about God. It does'nt matter who we are.
 
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Single people and single counselors should know all about marriage right? :D
 
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coby2

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Recently I came across an article on being single by Stephen Witmer posted on Piper's site.(Piper is a well known pastor in the mid-west usa.) The article is titled, "Will I be Single Forever?" It focuses on telling single christians how to handle their singleness by focusing on eternity.

But Witmer is married. In fact he has three kids. His only knowledge of singleness was being single in his 20's- you know when most people are single. (Huffington Post posted stats that the average age for marriage in the usa: 27 for women and 29 for men.)

So why is a married man being sold as an authority on singleness? I have no idea.

I do know this: he's not an authority. Furthermore it's insulting. He has no clue what it's like to be single long term.
This is exactly the kind of attitude I see in the church. Married people think they know what it's like to be single because they were single for 5 or 6 years. It's not the same people. It's not.

If you want to pick someone who can truly minister to single people- pick a single person who's actually been single for a while- a long while. Give me someone who's seasoned. Don't give me some married guy with three kids. Pick someone who truly understands how hard it is.
Depends. Some are horribly annoying, but the ones I read and heard were very good. Derek Prince, God is a Matchmaker, he married twice, awesome.
One man here has been single til in his fifties. Then God had someone and she had to wait 5 years til he was ready. He so loved being single. When I felt horrible I wouldn't listen to that one. What do you know? You loved it. But that was a real gift of singleness, what Derek Prince also says. Now I think it's an awesome testimony. But I wouldn't let him minister to me when I felt rotten. Better someone who knows exactly what it is, my ex who is remarried. Only one who prayed for me for that.
 
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coby2

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Well, there's always Paul... and 1 Corinthians 7.
Lol yes. Sometimes I wonder if he was divorced. Some think that. The way he talks that it's a burden and single is better. Derek Prince had such a great marriage, the unity was a testimony to others they stayed with a while.
 

CS1

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Recently I came across an article on being single by Stephen Witmer posted on Piper's site.(Piper is a well known pastor in the mid-west usa.) The article is titled, "Will I be Single Forever?" It focuses on telling single christians how to handle their singleness by focusing on eternity.

But Witmer is married. In fact he has three kids. His only knowledge of singleness was being single in his 20's- you know when most people are single. (Huffington Post posted stats that the average age for marriage in the usa: 27 for women and 29 for men.)

So why is a married man being sold as an authority on singleness? I have no idea.

I do know this: he's not an authority. Furthermore it's insulting. He has no clue what it's like to be single long term.
This is exactly the kind of attitude I see in the church. Married people think they know what it's like to be single because they were single for 5 or 6 years. It's not the same people. It's not.

If you want to pick someone who can truly minister to single people- pick a single person who's actually been single for a while- a long while. Give me someone who's seasoned. Don't give me some married guy with three kids. Pick someone who truly understands how hard it is.
Actually the bible tell us that the elders are to teach the younger. The Mother are to teach the daughters in the ways of home making. and fathers instruct the young men. Before a married couple got married they were " Single " so they do know what a single person is going through , most young people think they don't :). This is why Proverbs tells us very clearly no to forsake the teaching of our mothers and hear your father. But with the break down on the family the young men have no example of man hood. Iron sharpens iron. two faithful examples of a married couple is better then a single person IMHO not that a single can't teach another single but a married person can too both husband and wife
 
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coby2

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Actually the bible tell us that the elders are to teach the younger. The Mother are to teach the daughters in the ways of home making. and fathers instruct the young men. Before a married couple got married they were " Single " so they do know what a single person is going through , most young people think they don't :). This is why Proverbs tells us very clearly no to forsake the teaching of our mothers and hear your father. But with the break down on the family the young men have no example of man hood. Iron sharpens iron. two faithful examples of a married couple is better then a single person IMHO not that a single can't teach another single but a married person can too both husband and wife
Well sorry but my mom has absolutely no idea. She met my dad when she was 17 and always with the same man. I felt depressed and lonely after my second divorce and she was like: why you no happy? hahahahahahaha blaming me. Complained to my single brother. What does she know? Same man all her life lol. Of course a singles can teach. Corrie ten Boom helped me the most.

https://gracefortheroad.com/2012/02/03/idontwait/
 
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coby2

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I like it even better when single people give advice on marriage.. :rolleyes:


..and Hi Crimson! :)
When my collegues married I said: if you need any tips on how not to do it, call me!
 
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Why is single better? Doesn't God want people to have happy and successful marriages? If I had a special someone I would want us to have a happy relationship.

I have a female friend and I am more happy having her as a friend than I would be without her. I am single, meaning not married, but having her as a friend I am not totally single. I do have her friendship and companionship and it is good.
I have some female friends as well. I just prefer the simplicity of being unattached. I haven't been single for very long but I'm not looking and honestly not that interested in being romantically involved at this point. It's easier in many ways. I've made compromises my whole life and I'm not doing that anymore.
 

Shawn2516

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Single life sucks but your more free.
Marriage life is good until you hit lows from fights and your more responsible.

You can't really have "both" benefits.
 
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sassylady

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Also like telling people how to raise their children when you never had any.
 
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As a biblical counselor I can see both points about this discussion. Some people feel more open to share with like minded counselors for advice. But I have to agree with TinkerBell725 who makes a very strong point that it's not who the counselor is, but the counsel. Godly counsel comes from the scriptures. Those who understand the scriptures can give godly advice regardless of whether we are walking in the same shoes so to speak. I counsel those who are single, those who are married and those who are divorced. I also counsel men and while I am not a man - I don't stop counseling men just because I am not one.

We all have life experiences that can be shared and we all have things we will never experience, but if we have love and empathy and a desire to help someone in need we can all be helpful in one way or another to some totally opposite of who you are.

If a person fills more comfortable finding some who has the same experiences because for them it lends to their credibility, by all means go to them. If you don't want to read about about singleness from a married man than fine, but never under estimate or disregard the godly wisdom a brother or sister in Christ can impart to reveal truth and helps someone in need.

While I do understand it does help to find someone who can relate on a personal level I don't discount that God may use someone who can't relate, but has a deep understanding for God's Word because ultimately it's what God says about the issue that is really what is important.
I like everything you've shared and yet for some reason the irony of Catholic priests giving marriage counsel and sex advice just strikes me as funny.
 
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Also like telling people how to raise their children when you never had any.
I've gotten some of the best parenting advice from a counselor who just had his first child a few months ago.
 
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coby2

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Also like telling people how to raise their children when you never had any.
If it's a good preacher they can say things from the Bible, lol but those who know it all better are quite annoying. I also have a nephew I see once a week and my sister does a bad job. Here's how you should do it. Thank you! So happy with your advice!
 

sharkwhales

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@OP I assume you're talking about this article Will I Be Single Forever? | Desiring God

If you want to pick someone who can truly minister to single people- pick a single person who's actually been single for a while- a long while. Give me someone who's seasoned. Don't give me some married guy with three kids. Pick someone who truly understands how hard it is.
No offense but this seems like 'grass is greener on the other side' mentality. It seems to assume that being single is harder than being married. Marriage can be just as lonely and heartbreaking as singleness. As someone once prayed for me, nothing worse than finding the wrong one, and nothing better than finding the right one. But it's not easy regardless.

I have been single for a long time, never married, no real relationship in over a decade. Yes it's been hard but I have grown as a person and focused more on God, and I'm sure the difficulties I've had by myself, wouldn't have disappeared if someone else (besides God) were intimately a part of my day to day life. In fact I'm glad I have done less harm because in a sense I've been by myself while God deals with my issues.

I read the article and didn't find much wrong with it. Even if it doesn't deal explicitly with long term singleness, the talk about perspective and focusing on eternity is spot on. It's how I've dealt with many difficulties.

Stephen's one point I would disagree with is when he says there won't be marriage in the new creation. Marriage is a covenant to protect intimacy and oneness between two people, it's an archetype of what's to come. We will be married to Christ, to God, we will be one with God. There won't be less intimacy and passion in heaven than there is on earth. And we can begin experiencing that intimacy and passion with God now. That is the answer as I've found it.

A discontented single person will become a discontented spouse and then a discontented parent . . . until eternity breaks in and moves to the center.
 
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AuntieAnt

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Single people and single counselors should know all about marriage right? :D
That's like taking your car to a mechanic who hasn't actually been a mechanic but they've read enough books to know about car repair. :rolleyes:
 

Jeshuvan

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Hi Sister Crimson Lark.U r always a blessing and u also come up with great questions that make people think.Definitely me.I was single till 45,now married for 17yrs and im not trying to answer your question,but i love that the bible, always has the answer to these questions.Also yes there r peoples feelings of being alone which i respect and can relate to,but i also believe that single people as many dont think the same possibly r just as treasured, important, valuable, loved by God as anyone else.Its a beautiful place to be.I always state that its better to be single wishing and hoping u were married,than to be married wishing and hoping u were single again.Once again as always, May God bless You and all the singles out there.
 
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That's like taking your car to a mechanic who hasn't actually been a mechanic but they've read enough books to know about car repair. :rolleyes:
I think some people have had great marriages and parenting modeled for them and can have some great insight into both aspects.
 

Crimson_Lark

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Seoulsearch: always good to see you, thanks for posting!

Born_again: Hilarious response, thank you for noting my post.

Tintin: I do agree with you. Even in the realm of singles there are different break downs.

Gentleheart/Tinkerbell725/Abigailzeke: We will have to disagree on the value of experience and the role it plays in being an authority.

CS1:
For the record, Witmer is a man with whom I have never spoken. I’ve never met him. He’s most likely younger than me and he is in no way my elder.
My disagreements with the sentiments you expressed in your post are already laid out in my original post, so I’m not going to restate them.


Sharkwhales: I’m not saying that being single is harder. I am saying that as a single woman I want advice from other singles about being single. Many married people love to give ‘godly’ advice when they have no clue what they are talking about.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts! Please know if I didn't list you by name I did still read your post. I always appreciate hearing other perspectives. (*begin sense of humor* Unless of course you are married.)