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Possibly moot point: Maybe Adam added that part when he told Eve. We do not know that Eve was responsible for what she conveyed to Satan, because we simply are not told how Adam conveyed the message to Eve in the first place. Although I do not think they partook of the Tree of Life at all, and it was guarded from them ever gaining access to it while in their sinful state. Personally I believe the Tree of Life was a "type" foreshadowing Jesus. He created life. In Him we live and move and have our being; He alone holds the keys to life.
He knew what he was doing, he was not deceived. Adam failed to do what the last Adam did. The first Adam left his kingdom behind, gave up all dominion, became sin for his bride, faced death, but could not overcome. The last Adam did what the first Adam could not do. See Romans 5 I believe. I believe Adam's sin was an attempt to rescue his bride out of love for her.
T
Hehe ... well ... if Adam was trying to rescue Eve he sure had a funny way of showing it ... considering He blamed her when God asked him what happened ... 
That's another interesting point ... Neither one took responsibility for their actions ... Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent ... as a parent I would not be happy with those responses.
That's another interesting point ... Neither one took responsibility for their actions ... Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent ... as a parent I would not be happy with those responses.
R
Here is the relevant part of Romans 5:
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
I often have thought, even prayed about what the tree of life was. You think it would have come to me to consider it was a life force that represented Jesus.
From the little I know about God, he usually doesn't tell us to not do something as a way to just test our obedience. I believe that something happened in the physical that changed us by biting into that fruit from that particular tree.
AS well as the spiritual.
From the little I know about God, he usually doesn't tell us to not do something as a way to just test our obedience. I believe that something happened in the physical that changed us by biting into that fruit from that particular tree.
AS well as the spiritual.
T
Jesus elsewhere is called the True vine, and we are the branches that must abide in the Vine, or we will be cast into the fire. Fruitful branches are pruned to produce even more fruit. Fruit does not have to be literal either! They were forced to consume (live out) the consequences of their disobedience. They ate bitter fruit indeed! I made this post quite some time ago:
As Christians, we are exhorted to bear fruit.
We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).
The fruit we are to bear has different aspects to it. One is character building:the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Peter adds to this: make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.
So our life surrendered to God, and our works through faith are fruit, and so are people who come to Christ through us (Rom 1:3; Phil 4:17), and there is also the fruit of our lips as we praise God and witness to others (Heb 13:15).
These are good fruits, partaken of when aligned with the will of God.
Evil fruits would be the result of disobeying God, defying God, following self will in opposition to God's will, severing ourselves from fellowship with Him, etc. That is the fruit Adam and Eve bore and ate (lived). They followed the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life, in turning away from God after being in fellowship with Him. It is what we all do before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God.
As Christians, we are exhorted to bear fruit.
We know we are not trees, but only {metaphorical} branches, offshoots of the true vine, Jesus Christ. I believe He was the {metaphorical} tree of Life placed in the garden of Eden; He holds the keys to life and death; all life is in Him; He is author and giver of life etc, and eternal life is promised to those who surrender to and abide in Him (John 15:4-5).
The fruit we are to bear has different aspects to it. One is character building:the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Peter adds to this: make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.
So our life surrendered to God, and our works through faith are fruit, and so are people who come to Christ through us (Rom 1:3; Phil 4:17), and there is also the fruit of our lips as we praise God and witness to others (Heb 13:15).
These are good fruits, partaken of when aligned with the will of God.
Evil fruits would be the result of disobeying God, defying God, following self will in opposition to God's will, severing ourselves from fellowship with Him, etc. That is the fruit Adam and Eve bore and ate (lived). They followed the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life, in turning away from God after being in fellowship with Him. It is what we all do before being regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God.
So Jesus is a vine And a door. And a gate. Etc. And David is literally an apple in God's eye? I just don't think you can say it is all literal when clearly it is not. Understanding things metaphorically is helpful in a spiritual book. That does not mean nothing can be taken literally. Some of it I simply have no opinion on. Shocking, I know
T
And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Gen 2:9
Yes I too think both trees in the middle of the garden were literal ... but also symbolic foreshadows... metaphors as Magenta says.
Yes I too think both trees in the middle of the garden were literal ... but also symbolic foreshadows... metaphors as Magenta says.
So Jesus is a vine And a door. And a gate. Etc. And David is literally an apple in God's eye? I just don't think you can say it is all literal when clearly it is not. Understanding things metaphorically is helpful in a spiritual book. That does not mean nothing can be taken literally. Some of it I simply have no opinion on. Shocking, I know
IF the Tree of Life was a type or foreshadowing of Jesus Christ, or even Christ Himself, what could the tree of knowledge of good and evil have been a type or foreshadowing of? Self awareness? It seems the birth of the ego is in there somewhere, separation of self from Source, surely with pride so prominently involved... just wondering here, nothing serious expected, please don't attack me for thinking outside of the box like what happened in another similar thread.
