Homosexual Brother, need HELP!

[Tinkerbell725]

You can't persecute an ideology or a sexual orientation... You're using the wrong word. What you mean is condemn.

I'm being deceived? Do you have anything to support that claim that isn't religious? What non-religious reason is there to discriminate against LGBT people?

Yes I can persecute the gay agenda because its satan in disguise. I dont discriminate them, instead I feel sorry for the LGBT they are all being deceived. Its what they do that is an abomination but they are still under the sovereignity of God and subject to the grace of God if they repent. God is above religion so is my reason non religious enough?

 

[Gooey]

Yes I can persecute the gay agenda because its satan in disguise. I dont discriminate them, instead I feel sorry for the LGBT they are all being deceived. Its what they do that is an abomination but they are still under the sovereignity of God and subject to the grace of God if they repent. God is above religion so is my reason non religious enough?

It is literally impossible to persecute an agenda, according to the definition. The right word is something along the lines of 'disapprove of, condemn etc.'

Anything you 'know' about God comes from religion. Also, the idea of a monotheistic all-knowing, all-powerful god is a religious idea (and from specific religions at that). Atheists, agnostics and polytheists also exist. Freedom of religion means that we're not forced to follow the rules of a religion we don't adhere to.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

It is literally impossible to persecute an agenda, according to the definition. The right word is something along the lines of 'disapprove of, condemn etc.'

Anything you 'know' about God comes from religion. Also, the idea of a monotheistic all-knowing, all-powerful god is a religious idea (and from specific religions at that). Atheists, agnostics and polytheists also exist. Freedom of religion means that we're not forced to follow the rules of a religion we don't adhere to.

Still homosexuality is wrong and you can't also force me to believe otherwise. I persecute satan who is the author of the gay agenda. He is here to kill,steal and destroy. Wake up you are being deceived.

 

[Gooey]

Still homosexuality is wrong and you can't also force me to believe otherwise. I persecute satan who is the author of the gay agenda. He is here to kill,steal and destroy. Wake up you are being deceived.

I never mentioned forcing you to believe otherwise. I think you should talk to LGBT people about their experiences so that you gain a better insight into the issue, but I can see that your mind has closed already by the way you revert to the 'All lies from Satan' mantra.

I wish you only the best, anyhow, and I'll hope that you open your heart. Until then, I'm not sure anything productive can be gained from discussion between us.

 

[Tintin]

It is literally impossible to persecute an agenda, according to the definition. The right word is something along the lines of 'disapprove of, condemn etc.'

Anything you 'know' about God comes from religion. Also, the idea of a monotheistic all-knowing, all-powerful god is a religious idea (and from specific religions at that).Atheists, agnostics and polytheists also exist. Freedom of religion means that we're not forced to follow the rules of a religion we don't adhere to.

Atheists don't exist. If they did, they wouldn't spend so much time hating a God they don't believe in.

 

[Gooey]

Atheists don't exist. If they did, they wouldn't spend so much time hating a God they don't believe in.

They don't hate the god. They hate the way religion is used by some people e.g. to hurt LGBT people, to oppose reproductive rights, to stifle other religions, beliefs and philosophies etc, to promote unscientific ideas etc.

Many western atheists have had exposure to Christianity (even by having raised or it or just being aware of the presence of Christianity in their community) which is why Christianity is the religion they tend to discuss the most. Atheists who were raised in Islam are less common at this moment in time and so you won't see as much atheist discourse on Islam (although it does seem to be on the increase).

 

[Tinkerbell725]

I never mentioned forcing you to believe otherwise. I think you should talk to LGBT people about their experiences so that you gain a better insight into the issue, but I can see that your mind has closed already by the way you revert to the 'All lies from Satan' mantra.

I wish you only the best, anyhow, and I'll hope that you open your heart. Until then, I'm not sure anything productive can be gained from discussion between us.

My mind is open because it does'nt work if it is closed. Its obvious you want me to believe homosexuality is right by saying my mind is closed. I said I emphatized with the LGBT with their struggles, what I don't agree is the sexual immorality and abomination that they are doing. Its not wrong to be a homosexual but to practice it is wrong.

 

[Mitspa]

It is literally impossible to persecute an agenda, according to the definition. The right word is something along the lines of 'disapprove of, condemn etc.'

Anything you 'know' about God comes from religion. Also, the idea of a monotheistic all-knowing, all-powerful god is a religious idea (and from specific religions at that). Atheists, agnostics and polytheists also exist. Freedom of religion means that we're not forced to follow the rules of a religion we don't adhere to.

Well it appears we have a fellow..who came to cast doubt on our faith and promote the gay agenda ... Dude this Is a Christian forum ...do you understand that?

 

[Mitspa]

They don't hate the god. They hate the way religion is used by some people e.g. to hurt LGBT people, to oppose reproductive rights, to stifle other religions, beliefs and philosophies etc, to promote unscientific ideas etc.

Many western atheists have had exposure to Christianity (even by having raised or it or just being aware of the presence of Christianity in their community) which is why Christianity is the religion they tend to discuss the most. Atheists who were raised in Islam are less common at this moment in time and so you won't see as much atheist discourse on Islam (although it does seem to be on the increase).

I hate to be the one to tell you ..there is a right and wrong in this world and there is a God called the Lord of host who tells every man and women you will answer to Him for your sins and wickedness.

Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

 

[Tintin]

They don't hate the god. They hate the way religion is used by some people e.g. to hurt LGBT people, to oppose reproductive rights, to stifle other religions, beliefs and philosophies etc, to promote unscientific ideas etc.

Many western atheists have had exposure to Christianity (even by having raised or it or just being aware of the presence of Christianity in their community) which is why Christianity is the religion they tend to discuss the most. Atheists who were raised in Islam are less common at this moment in time and so you won't see as much atheist discourse on Islam (although it does seem to be on the increase).

No, no, no. Atheists don't oppose Islam because if they did, they'd get their asses handed to them on a grubby platter. I mean, their heads handed to them on a grubby platter. Also, for some reason they side with Islam more than Christianity, even though Christianity is the bulwark against something far, far 'worse'. Christians should oppose abortion (murder is wrong, or was it only wrong during the Holocaust?).

As for promoting unscientific ideas, pffft. Science wouldn't even exist as a discipline without the Judeo/Christian faiths and most of the scientists who have ever given us anything of value in the sciences were either Christians or biblical creationists or both. I'm not saying non-Christians can't do any good, they absolutely can, but they borrow from a Judeo/Christian worldview to do so. As for evolutionary theory, it hasn't contributed anything to anything, least of all to Science. It was dead on arrival and it's impeded scientific discoveries like nobody's business.

Finally, I (and most others here) don't hate gay people, we hate the gay agenda. They're two very different things. The gay agenda actually has no love for its members, it only wants to use them as a means to an end.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Acts 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. 10 And this continued by the space of two years;

He disputed with them for TWO YEARS. i wonder if they learned anything?

Disputing for the wrong reasons is evil and wicked. But disputing for the right reason is good and acceptable.

Dispute

Grow up. It's also not an excuse for you to give yet another vain sermon months later, even if you found a site that agrees with you!

Have i said something to offend you in any way? Did I say something above that is not TRUE. Where is your LOVE? i have not said one word against you, to offend you in any way whatsoever, i love you. So why then the hostility towards me?

Again, where is your LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER?

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[Mitspa]

Have i said something to offend you in any way? Did I say something above that is not TRUE. Where is your LOVE? i have not said one word against you, to offend you in any way whatsoever, i love you. So why then the hostility towards me?

Again, where is your LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER?

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Just tell them you are gay..they will trip over themselves to show you "love"

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Are you people not listening? You say


Adulterer is what someone becomes because of their deed, actions.
Fornicator is what someone becomes because of their deed, actions.
gossiper is what someone becomes because of their deed, actions.
Homosexual is what someone IS, even if there is no actions whatsoever.

Can't you understand. What makes a person Heterosexual, Homosexual, or bisexual is NOT by your ACTIONS, NOT by your DEEDS. What makes a person those things is by who you are attracted to. Please try to grasp and understand that simple concept. Who you are attracted to is NOT what is sinful, so stop teaching that it is, or with the same judgments you use to say they are will be used against you.

Tell me. If a married man who loves his wife dearly, and would never cheat on his wife, if this same person is ATTRACTED to a woman at his work. Does this man commit sin against God because he is married and attracted to someone else? God forbid. This generation needs to wake up, and come out of sleep concerning this issue. Just because you are attracted to anyone, does not make it sinful because you are attracted to them. What makes it sinful is what you do about it. If that married man were to have an affair, then He commits sin. PERIOD. But being attracted to her is NOT a sin at all. Just as any Homosexual who is attracted to the same sex does NOT commit any sin whatsoever, merely because they are attracted to that person. Now if they act upon, then yes it is sinful. Oh ye Hypocrites. Accuse a person as being sinful because they are attracted to the same sex, all the while you view porn and lust after those people doing that which is abomination, who are NOT your spouse. You would be better off to say nothing at all, then to be a Hypocrite. Do you say Homosexuals commit sin because of who they are attracted to? How are you any different? You are Heterosexual attracted to the opposite sex who are NOT your spouse. Hypocrites. Do not listen to those who are devoid of the TRUTH, teaching things that are NOT TRUE, nor Scriptural

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I have to lovingly disagree with you DiscipleDave.

Could you lovingly tell which part of the above that i said that you disagree with, thanks.

Jesus made it clear that if you dwell on your thoughts of doing something long enough you will do it.

Really? Which verse makes that CLEAR? If you say that it is CLEAR and it is not clear what does that make you? So then show the Scriptures where Jesus makes it CLEAR that if you dwell on a thought, you WILL SIN.

Now i agree that if a person DWELLS on an evil thought, that it can be sinful, because they DWELL upon a thought they know to be evil and continue to do it anyways. i have never said otherwise.

All sin starts with the thought to do it.

This is not True. If i strike a man because he just hit me in the face. i did not think about hitting him back, it was an instinct to hit him back. i did not sit back and take thought, well he just hit me, should i hit him back, should i go for the face or a gut shot? Or what about cussing? When a hit my thumb with a hammer, and immediately started spewing out all kinds of filthy language, did i take thought first to think about the cuss words i was going to use, which one would be appropriate for a hammer strike? NO, but i sinned nonetheless, without thinking beforehand. This is just a couple of examples that came off the top of my head, there is probably hundreds more. Not All sin is premeditated, However i will agree that MOST sins are.

I will show you through the Bible that you can sin in thought and then in action, sometimes though we start with the thought and we never carry out the action, but God sees it as if we have already carried it out.

Have i said anywhere that your thoughts can't be sinful? i have not said such a thing, then from whom did you gather this information from? Thoughts can be sinful. i never said otherwise. But who your are attracted to is NOT sinful is what i said. Now if you lust in your thoughts one toward another then yes that is sinful, but if you think someone is pretty (attracted to) or handsome (attracted to) this is NOT sinful, as i have said clearly above. You have turned this whole thing into about THOUGHTS, which is not the same thing that i was discussing.

For example, the story of Cain and Abel. Cain is guilty of premeditated murder in that he planned the murder of Abel in his head and then executed it. Here is the passage:

Here we go. You say it was premeditated. Scriptures does not teach that.

Genesis 4:2b-12

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

And now we are fixing to see a perfect example of changing Scriptures to fit into a person's belief.

Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

Now let us look at what the Word of God actually says

Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”

According to that inspired by God Scriptures, it was NOT premeditated. Believe the Word of God not what men teach.

“I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”


The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”

OK, now i understand why you believe and teach false doctrines, the version you are reading you THINK is the Word of God, this explains a lot.

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[DiscipleDave]

I always get a kick out of those verses. If read carefully, the sins cover all of us.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

i agree, Anyone who continues to live in sins, no matter what sins they may be, will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

Who's sins are covered by His Blood? Those who walk in the light. (I John 1:7) NOT those who continue to walk in darkness.

Anyone who commits sin is of the devil (I John 3:8-10)

Tribulation and Anguish upon EVERY soul that doeth evil (That includes typical christians) (Rom 2:9)

Jesus told a man and a woman "Go and sin no more" Woe to this generation who refuses to learn what that means.

What does the Scriptures call those who can't cease from sin? Cursed Children. (II Peter 2:14)

There is NO temptation that comes upon you that is so strong you can't handle it, and Also with every temptation Jesus has a path out of it for you. Those who choose to sin, do so willingly. Woe to this generation indeed. (I Cor 10:13)

Awake to Righteousness and SIN NOT (I Cor 15:34)

Put away the sin that so easily besets you. (Heb 12:1)

Whosoever abideth in Jesus does not sin (I John 3:6)

It is no wonder to me, why the Wrath of God is kindled against this sin loving, sin excusing, generation.

MANY think they are are on the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, but the Truth is, there is only a FEW that actually are on that path. And i mean a FEW.

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[DiscipleDave]

I am sick and tired of listening to Christians tell homosexuals they are going to go to hell. Not if they are saved. Please stop saying that. They are humans, sinful as I. I am no better than a homosexual. I am no better than an atheist. I am no better than any person on this earth. I believe in God, I believe that Jesus come to save us all and he died and rose again. Why must a homosexual think and be condemned so harshly. They sin, I sin. If homosexuality condemns them to hell, well I hope everyone is looking forward to hell because we have all sinned and fallen short of His glory. We should pray for them, and every other person on this earth. Look at yourselves before condemning others. Thank you and God Bless your souls.

Anyone who continues to live in sins, regardless what those sins are, will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God. Your Master is to who you obey. If you are tempted to commit sin and obey satan, according to the Word of God satan is your master because you chose to obey him instead of Jesus who is saying "Don't do it" these have altogether denied the Power of Jesus to help them, to give them strength over the temtpation, to overcome that temtpation, NO, they chose freely to commit sin, because they WANTED to commit that sin, they knowingly and willingly choose to do something which they KNOW is sinful and against Jesus Christ and do it anyways, falsely thinking they cleanse themselves continually over and over and over again. Forgiveness is granted to those who TRULY repent, that is to say they cease to ever do what they are repenting of, ever again. One who continues to commit the same sin over and over and over again is NOT Truly sorry are they?, they love to commit that sin, that is why they continue to live in it.

Again anyone who continues to live in sin, will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God, and you can get mad at me all you want because i said that, but the TRUTH is, i don't say that ALL OF SCRIPTURES teaches that.

It is time to start living righteous, get rid of the sin in your life, stop living your life for YOU, start living you life for God and Him ONLY. Are you prepared to die for HIM? You all say "Yes" But your not willing to give up the sin that so easily besets you, for Him are you? Hypocrites!! You claim with your mouths that Jesus is Your Savior and Lord and Master, but willingly obey satan to commit that sin that you are not willing to cease from. Hypocrites.

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[DiscipleDave]

Is it true that kids are being taught in schools in America that it is ok to choose the gender that they want? They are given the choice as early as possible regardless of their default gender. Homosexuality is tolerated by educators themselves. Next thing we know it becomes a sin to persecute homosexuality.

i have a niece who wants to be a guy. She is 18 years old, and seeing a therapist. The Therapist is trying to help her become a man, she is going to prescribe testosterone to her. Such is the world we live in. Therapists need therapists.

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[Tinkerbell725]

i have a niece who wants to be a guy. She is 18 years old, and seeing a therapist. The Therapist is trying to help her become a man, she is going to prescribe testosterone to her. Such is the world we live in. Therapists need therapists.

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Mad world...She thinks her sexuality is a disease and wants to get rid of it just to satisfy her evil desires and to be accepted by the evil world.

 

[popeye]

I am sick and tired of listening to Christians tell homosexuals they are going to go to hell. Not if they are saved. Please stop saying that. They are humans, sinful as I. I am no better than a homosexual. I am no better than an atheist. I am no better than any person on this earth. I believe in God, I believe that Jesus come to save us all and he died and rose again. Why must a homosexual think and be condemned so harshly. They sin, I sin. If homosexuality condemns them to hell, well I hope everyone is looking forward to hell because we have all sinned and fallen short of His glory. We should pray for them, and every other person on this earth. Look at yourselves before condemning others. Thank you and God Bless your souls.

You are a product of deception.

Do a study on the subject.

God Will Not play ball with your beliefs.

We can believe all sorts of things.

W/O the word of God as our standard,we are in a "fools paradise"

 

[popeye]

i have a niece who wants to be a guy. She is 18 years old, and seeing a therapist. The Therapist is trying to help her become a man, she is going to prescribe testosterone to her. Such is the world we live in. Therapists need therapists.

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Break that filthy demon off of her. Be violent. Show the sorry thing no mercy. Make it leave her.

Decapitate it.

 

[Depleted]

Have i said something to offend you in any way? Did I say something above that is not TRUE. Where is your LOVE? i have not said one word against you, to offend you in any way whatsoever, i love you. So why then the hostility towards me?

Again, where is your LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER?

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Your version of love is to give a speech months later, and then very very long speeches months after that. That's not love. It's thinking you're that important. If you cared you would have told Jesus12 what she needed to hear back in January instead of plopping a speeches up months later.