Homosexual Brother, need HELP!

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Mitspa

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As far as folks sinning everyday..sure and real Christians are held accountable ...and many folks are preaching sinners should repent and turn from sin...Gays don't get a special "get out of sin free" card because the PC nonsense of this world has tried to make this sin acceptable and attacks anyone who dares to call it what it is.... Its a abomination to God even if one is a "Christian" just like adultery and fornication ..and a good biblical argument could be made that its worse than all sins.
 
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I never said God describes "hate". So possibly stop speaking slander. Do not put words in my mouth. If you misunderstand what I say ask me what I meant. I definitely stated that it was by my definition " I call it hatred because it turns into a debate that sends most people over the top. But you can call it what you will." . My example was "Yes I also understand that most LGBT's are not actively seeking God, but I bet you are screaming at the top of your lungs hailing some secular artist at a concert. But if they were gay it changes everything. Congratulations you have now become what I was called earlier, Hypocrite. Not directing that necessarily at you Mitspa, just clarifying."

People sin everyday but I don't see Christians berating them, just LGBT. I fully understand that it is a bad lifestyle, I have had no less than 50 people on this site, and half of my family let me know their opinion. I do not condone it either. But I have my opinion as well. That is MY point of view, you can either be ok with it. You can pray about it, or you can not like it. Either way I have explained my views. I understand people love arguments (debates) but I am not one of them. Good luck on your future endeavors, God bless.
Your vision may be selective.

Look at any thread involving premarital sex; that sin gets pointed out too. So does disbelief, blasphemy, heresy, lying, slander, etc. and even just general rudeness. These things get called out.

I think it's possible that you may simply hone in on the treatment of LGBT issues for whatever reasons you may have.

That being said, you (and others who commonly express the same sentiment), even in your intense focus on the treatment of LGBT issues, seem to miss the compassionate, loving-in-truth responses to LGBT issues in favor of highlighting what you see as berating (which usually just means unbendingly, unequivocally, and unapologetically giving the truth). There are plenty of compassionate, loving-in-truth responses in this thread.

It may be something with your perception. Expectations are notorious for shaping perceptions. It seems like you've come to a point of expecting us to berate LGBT people, and seemed ready to snap from the jump. So you might be unfairly characterizing responses from your fellow Christians.

Just my observations, and was wondering if you were aware.
 

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I understand your point but how dare you blank out the word of God! Teaching, rebuking, and correcting not just training in righteousness. Thanks. God bless.
I never blank out the word of God with an idea to eliminate its value, but I do highlight it sometimes to stay loyal and emphasize its points. You speak to me with a tone (how dare you....), are you maintaining your health in the Lord emotionally? That lessened your authority with me, not heightened it if, honesty is on the table best served. It also hurt me emotionally. Now I'm a big boy so I'll survive, but it did have a dagger affect, also testified for the sake of honesty best served.

You said you understand my point, so let me ask you; do you believe that you should walk alongside Gooey then in love and let God use you? Staying in the attitude of love, focused not on the wickedness needing to be expunged but never leaving the being hidden in Christ appeal and power Christ needs to love her back on track? Staying in love with Gooey (not taken out of context)? For that matter loving me, as you are called out by God, and not on your own crusade on behalf of God, to correct me?

Not in a pretense of love but in an unconditional actuality? By the way, I also don't hold the things Gooey has said to be biblically sound either as I pointed out. But it is trifling to act in a demeanor outside of Christ's demeanor set in us to be God's representative and Ambassadors of His. To deliver a message of Christ and think of it to not have a tremendously harmful testimony if we corner our perpetrator and dish out Gods love in a bullet of correction and rebuke all the while celebrating the victory, not noticing the person walking away with a crushed Spirit; Is ludicrously harmful and not noting harmful issues within our own life. Now, if you know me, you would know I am all in favor of being completely loyal to the gospel, the mercy and the judgement; the Salvation and the glorification thru Sanctification. So, I am not talking about weakening Scripture to purpose another thing, I am talking about both being served as we let God have all of our parts, those we use daily and those we tend to hide under the rug.

As testimony to that I have already felt your bullet aimed at me (How dare you...) along with a sense, by your demeanor, that you are the one with the right answers inflating yourself with false confidence to disallow your own log of anger to be unnoticed and suppressed. Is there any truth to that? God needs us to recognize our spiritual health in all respects to His Word; emotions not withstanding.

To be His is to help people and not control them, or peer pressure them, that is Satan's tactic. I do not mean we are in anyway to live by emotions, I mean to note them honestly. Conviction, and delivery will be Gods therapy for us all in that, and I believe has a profound affect on many here who have been 1 year old Christians for many years. Not allowing God to grow them up. Letting the things unseen, by lack of intentionality, be what mostly affects what is seen in their lives. Using God to run from God. Ignoring the emotions of anger, along with others as well such as sadness, and fear. Dying to the wrong things, Denying the past's impact on the present, Compartmentalizing our lives into "Secular" Vs. "Sacred", doing for God instead of being with God, Spiritualizing away conflict, Covering up brokenness, weakness, and failure, Living without limits (both in the area of sin and righteousness), judging other peoples Spiritual Journey, all of which are needed for God to break down within us to become healthy, and wholly His, in our person.

Again, you mentioned you understood my point, yet something inflamed you to go on a godly hunt or crusade after me, ask God why? He'll tell you if you listen, ask, seek, and knock with all your heart. By the way, I meant in no way to suggest the Teaching and Rebuking and Correcting not also to be in the balance of our lives; being fully realized. So, that may help you to know more about me and my intentions, and there are indeed corrections,(possibly rebuke), to be made by God in relationship to the bibles authority and wholeness of message; that being that if we do anything yet not have love before it, also wrapped in it, we are but clanging cymbals and the truth is not in us. We must let God call us to those things in His timing and thus being ordained for His purposes to reconcile, not judge people so they can be reconciled with His demeanor fully our own, or we cannot be used by Him at all, wouldn't you agree?

So, if you find yourself saying one thing to people's face and then another behind their backs, or if you make promises you have no intentions of keeping, if you blame, or attack, or give people the silent treatment, (undefined in the wholeness scripture), or become sarcastic, or give in to someone because you are afraid of not being liked, or if you "Leak" out your anger by sending an e-mail containing a not-so-subtle criticism, or you tell only half the truth because you can't bear to hurt a friends feelings, or say yes when you mean no, or avoid, or withdrawal, and cut off people, (outside of proper Scriptural discernment); or you find an outside person with whom you can vent in order to ease your anxiety (instead of God), these things need to be addressed not hidden - we can find ourselves doing these things if we face the tension and mess of disagreements. But God wants us to know He is about not just our Church life but about our health at home, and at work, and in the office, and alone.


 
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VeiledinShadows

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I knew it wouldn't be long. That's why I didn't even bother.
I don't quite understand why they don't ban people based on ISP/IP rather than email addresses. I mean, what stops a person from creating a new account under a different email address, continuing from where they left off?
 
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I don't quite understand why they don't ban people based on ISP/IP rather than email addresses. I mean, what stops a person from creating a new account under a different email address, continuing from where they left off?
I think they do actually an IP ban, you can't ISP ban someone or you are banning millions at once. ISP is your Internet Service Provider. The provider assigns you an IP. But here is the thing, do you know how easy it is to get a new IP? Sometimes it is just taking your modem out for 15 seconds and sticking it back in. Proxies along with other programs have made it harder for someone to be pinned to a certain IP through means that this website can provide. It is an unfortunate reality. God Bless.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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I don't think they should ban people at all. We have the option to ignore the person so why can't we just use that feature instead of getting them banned? Seems pretty simple to me.
 

willfollowsGod

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I never blank out the word of God with an idea to eliminate its value, but I do highlight it sometimes to stay loyal and emphasize its points. You speak to me with a tone (how dare you....), are you maintaining your health in the Lord emotionally? That lessened your authority with me, not heightened it if, honesty is on the table best served. It also hurt me emotionally. Now I'm a big boy so I'll survive, but it did have a dagger affect, also testified for the sake of honesty best served.

You said you understand my point, so let me ask you; do you believe that you should walk alongside Gooey then in love and let God use you? Staying in the attitude of love, focused not on the wickedness needing to be expunged but never leaving the being hidden in Christ appeal and power Christ needs to love her back on track? Staying in love with Gooey (not taken out of context)? For that matter loving me, as you are called out by God, and not on your own crusade on behalf of God, to correct me?

Not in a pretense of love but in an unconditional actuality? By the way, I also don't hold the things Gooey has said to be biblically sound either as I pointed out. But it is trifling to act in a demeanor outside of Christ's demeanor set in us to be God's representative and Ambassadors of His. To deliver a message of Christ and think of it to not have a tremendously harmful testimony if we corner our perpetrator and dish out Gods love in a bullet of correction and rebuke all the while celebrating the victory, not noticing the person walking away with a crushed Spirit; Is ludicrously harmful and not noting harmful issues within our own life. Now, if you know me, you would know I am all in favor of being completely loyal to the gospel, the mercy and the judgement; the Salvation and the glorification thru Sanctification. So, I am not talking about weakening Scripture to purpose another thing, I am talking about both being served as we let God have all of our parts, those we use daily and those we tend to hide under the rug.

As testimony to that I have already felt your bullet aimed at me (How dare you...) along with a sense, by your demeanor, that you are the one with the right answers inflating yourself with false confidence to disallow your own log of anger to be unnoticed and suppressed. Is there any truth to that? God needs us to recognize our spiritual health in all respects to His Word; emotions not withstanding.

To be His is to help people and not control them, or peer pressure them, that is Satan's tactic. I do not mean we are in anyway to live by emotions, I mean to note them honestly. Conviction, and delivery will be Gods therapy for us all in that, and I believe has a profound affect on many here who have been 1 year old Christians for many years. Not allowing God to grow them up. Letting the things unseen, by lack of intentionality, be what mostly affects what is seen in their lives. Using God to run from God. Ignoring the emotions of anger, along with others as well such as sadness, and fear. Dying to the wrong things, Denying the past's impact on the present, Compartmentalizing our lives into "Secular" Vs. "Sacred", doing for God instead of being with God, Spiritualizing away conflict, Covering up brokenness, weakness, and failure, Living without limits (both in the area of sin and righteousness), judging other peoples Spiritual Journey, all of which are needed for God to break down within us to become healthy, and wholly His, in our person.

Again, you mentioned you understood my point, yet something inflamed you to go on a godly hunt or crusade after me, ask God why? He'll tell you if you listen, ask, seek, and knock with all your heart. By the way, I meant in no way to suggest the Teaching and Rebuking and Correcting not also to be in the balance of our lives; being fully realized. So, that may help you to know more about me and my intentions, and there are indeed corrections,(possibly rebuke), to be made by God in relationship to the bibles authority and wholeness of message; that being that if we do anything yet not have love before it, also wrapped in it, we are but clanging cymbals and the truth is not in us. We must let God call us to those things in His timing and thus being ordained for His purposes to reconcile, not judge people so they can be reconciled with His demeanor fully our own, or we cannot be used by Him at all, wouldn't you agree?

So, if you find yourself saying one thing to people's face and then another behind their backs, or if you make promises you have no intentions of keeping, if you blame, or attack, or give people the silent treatment, (undefined in the wholeness scripture), or become sarcastic, or give in to someone because you are afraid of not being liked, or if you "Leak" out your anger by sending an e-mail containing a not-so-subtle criticism, or you tell only half the truth because you can't bear to hurt a friends feelings, or say yes when you mean no, or avoid, or withdrawal, and cut off people, (outside of proper Scriptural discernment); or you find an outside person with whom you can vent in order to ease your anxiety (instead of God), these things need to be addressed not hidden - we can find ourselves doing these things if we face the tension and mess of disagreements. But God wants us to know He is about not just our Church life but about our health at home, and at work, and in the office, and alone.


First of all, I said that because I do not like seeing the word of God blanked. Quote the whole verse and please do not leave any blanks. Secondly, I am passionate and no I do not hate homosexuals. Thirdly, John the Baptist called out Herod and pointed out that he had his brother's wife. John the Baptist called the sin that the Pharisees were guilty of having. Jesus called out the Pharisees for the sin they were having. The Old Testament prophets proclaimed that the people of Israel need to repent and follow God and they pointed out the sins of the people through God's leading. Paul even called out a false prophet through the leading of the Holy Spirit. Again, it depends on the circumstances. So pointing out that homosexuality is a sin, is not unloving, it is biblical. I work with a person who is a transgender and if I remember correctly there is a person who is a lesbian as well. But I have no ill will toward them. I love them as people I am just saddened by them going against the biological reality that God made them in. He made them male and female and not this PC nonsense of LGBTQIA (more letters added). This movement seeks to removes God and to fire, sue, hate, ridicule, mock, etc anyone who goes against this movement. They have even sent death threats, hate mail, etc against the other side. I love the people, I am against the LGBT agenda, which seeks to indoctrinate children and force acceptance of their lifestyle or else. Not everyone that says how dare you is actually angry, they are just passionate. God bless. Have a beautiful day! :)
 
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Tintin

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Here's an excellent talk by Pastor Voddie Baucham. Very illuminating.

It's Not Like Being Black: Why Same Sex Marriage is not a Civil Rights Issue

[video=youtube;ntaP1avnGzo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntaP1avnGzo[/video]
 
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Homosexuality is not a Choice
According to God it is. Even deciding to engage in the thoughts and allow the thoughts to control you is a choice. I follow what the Bible says not what the world, the flesh, and the devil say. I give you Romans 1 which denounces all sin including homosexuality. Thanks. God bless.
 
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TonyJay

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Homosexuality is not a Choice
I am sorry, there is no biological evidence for this statement.

I know many individuals who once were homosexuals who are now heterosexual.
Interestingly, they did not get that way by being beaten half to death by the equivalent of the Christian baseball bat, but by having the truth of the Gospel proclaimed to them in a loving way. A lot of prayer was also involved.

On a greater theological level - all sin separates us from God, homosexuality is NOT a special case, and gives none of us any justification to persecute homosexuals over and above perpetrators of another sin.
“He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](John 8:7)[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Isn't it interesting that this verse (part of a verse) comes from a larger passage where an individual is accused of sexual sin.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]But for the grace of God go I![/FONT]
 
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Zammer

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I usually agree with Blue Ladybug, but I don't on this one.

Yes, tell him that from a biblical standard, he is sinning and in danger of eternal damnation. And I would make sure he knows that it's not YOU saying this, but GOD.

Then drop it. Here's where I differ from Ladybug -- I wouldn't cut him off. Be his sister and love him, but be guarded in your relationship -- meaning, do not reveal your most intimate thoughts and feelings to him. He cannot be your best friend (if he ever was). Your most intimate relationships need to be with other Christians. So keep him at arm's length. You don't want him to not come to you if/when he realizes that he is sinning and needs salvation.

I have the same problem with my brother -- he is living an unrepentant lifestyle (not homosexuality, but other sinful activity). I have given him the Gospel, but I don't push it on him, and there are topics that are simply off limits with him. He's my brother, and I love him, but I'm not going to engage, encourage or otherwise condone his behavior. And he knows that.

And PRAY, PRAY, PRAY for him.

I would have problems judging a person, especially a brother, by saying some of this. After all, isn't it up to God to be the judge? Instead, i would tell him first and foremost he is your brother, and you love him, but you struggle with his lifestyle because your faith tells you it is wrong. Telling him that he is a sinner will just drive you apart.
 

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Temptation is never a choice, but actually acting out on homosexuality, that is a choice. Every action has a willingness to act on it, nothing forces you to engage on homosexuality. So it is absolutely a choice.

Urges do not need to be acted upon, they are just urges.
 

Fenner

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This thread is old so I don't know if the op is still reading. Unless your brother is a hateful jerk who's awful to you, please don't disown him. I can't believe people would tell you to do that.
 
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WeightedWords

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Just show Him love and you with give testimony of right. It is not your responsibility to change him, it is God's... So don't give your brother an excuse to think Christianity is undesirable and hateful. By treating him like a member of your family you will prove what is good, acceptable, and perfect. He is your brother.
 
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WeightedWords

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Amen. It is a little like dealing with someone suffering from anorexia. A person of a psychological mindset who is travelling down a damaging path may be wrong, but They Are Not Their Problem. That is how they can separate themselves from their problem. Don't treat a homosexual like they ARE homosexuality. Treat that person like a part of God's creation that maybe just needs an example in word and in doing of what a beautiful God we serve.
 

Fenner

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Just show Him love and you with give testimony of right. It is not your responsibility to change him, it is God's... So don't give your brother an excuse to think Christianity is undesirable and hateful. By treating him like a member of your family you will prove what is good, acceptable, and perfect. He is your brother.
Well said and Amen.