Is sanctification an event, a process, or both?

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lexscripta

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Sometimes it helps to ask ourselves what is the difference between Justification, and Sanctification.
 
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Faith that trusts in "Christ alone" for salvation (Ephesians 2:8,9). Not the same thing as faith that "remains alone" - barren of works (James 2:14).

Faith that "remains alone" (barren of works) demonstrates that it's dead. James 2:14 - says/claims to have faith but has no works (to validate the claim). James is talking about an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. Not faith that trusts in "Christ alone" for salvation (Ephesians 2:8,9). You can't seem to grasp the difference.
The book doesn't say to believe in "Christ alone" to be saved. It says to believe that he is lord and son of GOD and has been raised from the dead, and be born again. "Christ alone" is an evangelical/reformed invention.
 
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When people say "believe in Christ alone" - they are talking about believing in all that He has already done in His finished work for salvation. This is the gospel of the grace of Christ for salvation.

The opposite of this is the false religion of "doing good deeds" to become righteous for salvation. This is anti-the gospel.
 
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The book doesn't say to believe in "Christ alone" to be saved. It says to believe that he is lord and son of GOD and has been raised from the dead, and be born again. "Christ alone" is an evangelical/reformed invention.
"Concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me." John 16:9
 
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When people say believe in Christ alone - they are talking about believing in all that He has already done in His finished work for salvation. This is the gospel of the grace of Christ for salvation.

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But this is not the faith that brings us into the new covenant and results in the new birth. So what you are talking about is belief after we receive full justification through Christ's death. It appears that you believe in progressive justification in which believing a certain way is required to remain justified.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sometimes it helps to ask ourselves what is the difference between Justification, and Sanctification.
Amen, If they were the same, they would not have two different names..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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But this is not the faith that brings us into the new covenant and results in the new birth. So what you are talking about is belief after we receive full justification through Christ's death. It appears that you believe in progressive justification in which believing a certain way is required to remain justified.
what?? That sounds more like your belief, not ours..
 

JesusLives

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Do you hold that sanctification is an event, a process, or both? Please explain and use scriptures to support your position.
I believe it is a process as I have always heard..... Sanctification is the work of a lifetime. Justification is what Jesus did for us on the cross we are covered by His blood right away, but our becoming more and more like Him takes our life time and only through Him are we able to do this.
 

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The book doesn't say to believe in "Christ alone" to be saved. It says to believe that he is lord and son of GOD and has been raised from the dead, and be born again. "Christ alone" is an evangelical/reformed invention.
To believe in Christ for salvation is to not only believe that He is the Son of God and that His death, burial and resurrection happened, but also trust in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Acts 10:43: Romans 1:16). To trust in works for salvation is not to trust in Christ alone for salvation.
 

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I believe it is a process as I have always heard..... Sanctification is the work of a lifetime. Justification is what Jesus did for us on the cross we are covered by His blood right away, but our becoming more and more like Him takes our life time and only through Him are we able to do this.
1 John 3:2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
 
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In general relativity, an event horizon is a boundary in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer. In layman's terms, it is defined as "the point of no return", i.e., the point at which the gravitational pull becomes so great as to make escape impossible, even for light

and in the same manner, santification is also not the real estate of outside observers. if you are being sanctified, then Christ may also have you at the point of no return...He is pulling you into Him (gravity)

I like a galactic view on things :eek:
 
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In general relativity, an event horizon is a boundary in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer. In layman's terms, it is defined as "the point of no return", i.e., the point at which the gravitational pull becomes so great as to make escape impossible, even for light

and in the same manner, santification is also not the real estate of outside observers. if you are being sanctified, then Christ may also have you at the point of no return...He is pulling you into Him (gravity)

I like a galactic view on things :eek:
Gotcha!......:)



 
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The book doesn't say to believe in "Christ alone" to be saved. It says to believe that he is lord and son of GOD and has been raised from the dead, and be born again. "Christ alone" is an evangelical/reformed invention.

Christ alone is the anointing Holy Spirit of God. We are anointed from heaven through Him alone. It is his way of laying his hands as His will upon us. He is not served by human hands.

He warns us of those that he calls the anti-christs that insist on the works of the flesh, as the anointing of human will . As it, His faith teaches us we abide in Him. Not the will of man represented by the laying on of hands, the ceremonial law (not needed)

These things have I written unto you concerning them "that seduce you". But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1Jo 2:26

Christ alone is the term he has designed as the one who does all the work . It reforms the church not the other way around.
 
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To believe in Christ for salvation is to not only believe that He is the Son of God and that His death, burial and resurrection happened, but also trust in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Acts 10:43: Romans 1:16). To trust in works for salvation is not to trust in Christ alone for salvation.
Where does it say that? We become born from above by believing Jesus is lord and son of GOD who was raised from the dead, and being baptized into Christ. This is clearly witnessed in scripture. What you are talking about is something different.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To believe in Christ for salvation is to not only believe that He is the Son of God and that His death, burial and resurrection happened, but also trust in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Acts 10:43: Romans 1:16). To trust in works for salvation is not to trust in Christ alone for salvation.
Amen that is to trust in self. and not God. thus there is no faith, to be saved period. There may be belief, but thats not enough, True faith must be had toy be saved,

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Where does it say that? We become born from above by believing Jesus is lord and son of GOD who was raised from the dead, and being baptized into Christ. This is clearly witnessed in scripture. What you are talking about is something different.

the difference is he is trusting in the work of God in all areas (including baptism) the HS baptizes him into Christ, that is why he is secure

You are trusting in work of men in areas (including baptism) You trust a man to immerse you in physical water, thats most likely why you are so insecure in your salvation (think you can lose it)
 

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Where does it say that? We become born from above by believing Jesus is lord and son of GOD who was raised from the dead, and being baptized into Christ. This is clearly witnessed in scripture. What you are talking about is something different.
Whoever BELIEVES IN HIM "plus who or what else?" Plus nothing. Believes in Him alone "apart from additions or modifications." The gospel is the "good news " of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-4 ) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES. . (Romans 1 : 16 ). Believes the gospel "plus what else?" Faith in CHRIST ALONE.
 
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Where does it say that? We become born from above by believing Jesus is lord and son of GOD who was raised from the dead, and being baptized into Christ. This is clearly witnessed in scripture. What you are talking about is something different.
We don't get saved by believing Jesus is Lord. We are saved by believing/being persuaded that we are sinners and that the Lord Jesus Christ died in our place and paid our debt and rose again for us........according to the scriptures.

1 Cor 15~~ 3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

HRFTD, Do you believe that Jesus Christ IS GOD? You seem to place Him below GOD.
 
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Whoever BELIEVES IN HIM "plus who or what else?" Plus nothing. Believes in Him alone "apart from additions or modifications." The gospel is the "good news " of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-4 ) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES. . (Romans 1 : 16 ). Believes the gospel "plus what else?" Faith in CHRIST ALONE.
This sounds like something you're added onto the gospel, because those in Acts were told to believe that Jesus was lord and son of GOD who was raised from the dead. That faith justified them. So it seems that you have added something more, i.e., that a faith that eschews works is required to maintain that justification.
 
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We don't get saved by believing Jesus is Lord. We are saved by believing/being persuaded that we are sinners and that the Lord Jesus Christ died in our place and paid our debt and rose again for us........according to the scriptures.

1 Cor 15~~ 3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

HRFTD, Do you believe that Jesus Christ IS GOD? You seem to place Him below GOD.
The bible says that believing Jesus is lord and/or son of GOD and has risen from the dead is sufficient to be justified.

Of course, Jesus is God.