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All good works are good for the one receiving them. But in God's eyes there is a difference between doing things in the flesh and doing them from Christ inside, as no flesh shall glory in His presence. The flesh profits nothing..it is the Spirit that brings life.
Satan and his horde do not come and say "Sin all you want"..as no one would for fall for that..instead they come saying for you to do good things in order to be saved.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( here false workers are going to be rewarded according to "their" works )
We are called to walk in good works which God has prepared for us ahead of time to walk in. We are to provoke one another to love and to do good works.
These are done from the fruit of salvation NOT to maintain salvation and they should stem from the life of Christ in us flowing out to others. Good deeds can be done in the flesh or by the life of Christ is us. Outwardly they look the same and only God can determine which is the true works of Himself being manifested.
Satan and his horde do not come and say "Sin all you want"..as no one would for fall for that..instead they come saying for you to do good things in order to be saved.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( here false workers are going to be rewarded according to "their" works )
We are called to walk in good works which God has prepared for us ahead of time to walk in. We are to provoke one another to love and to do good works.
These are done from the fruit of salvation NOT to maintain salvation and they should stem from the life of Christ in us flowing out to others. Good deeds can be done in the flesh or by the life of Christ is us. Outwardly they look the same and only God can determine which is the true works of Himself being manifested.
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I think we need to start a scrap book of all the ridiculous comments made on these forums which are totally opposite of what God's words say are true about good and evil. You guys (as there are more than one on these forums) are calling good evil, and evil good. Grace 777 said yesterday....
Well according to your doctrine Jesus' parable about knowing a tree by it's fruit must be thrown out in order to believe this garbage you guys are pushing.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
If we do not see the finished work of Christ and the fact that He has made us righteous because we are in Him now..then a lot of this stuff is going to be foolishness to the natural mind.
Righteousness is not based on what we do...it is based on what He has done. This is the stumbling block of the gospel for works-based mindsets and I can understand why.
Righteousness and unrighteousness are an identity or state of being in Christ in our inner man.
Doing deeds of righteousness does not make us righteous in Christ..only His finished work does. Anything else is works-righteousness.
Being in the light and walking in the light means we are in Christ. It is a condition that believers are in. ( walking means a sphere of where we are inhabiting and moving around in )
2 different categories of people..believer = light unbeliever = darkness
We can see the different conditions in the verse below of being in Christ ( light ) or as an unbeliever.
The believer is called righteousness.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye ( believer ) not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness ( Believer ) with unrighteousness? ( unbeliever ) and what communion hath light ( believer ) with darkness? ( unbeliever )
Ephesians 5:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light ...be who you are in the Lord with your conduct here on this earth.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;
Either we are a Christian which means we are in the light or we are an unbeliever which means we are not in light but in darkness.
All Christians still sin even though we are in the light...so it's important to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus as we learn to walk by the Spirit within us.
Righteousness is not based on what we do...it is based on what He has done. This is the stumbling block of the gospel for works-based mindsets and I can understand why.
Righteousness and unrighteousness are an identity or state of being in Christ in our inner man.
Doing deeds of righteousness does not make us righteous in Christ..only His finished work does. Anything else is works-righteousness.
Being in the light and walking in the light means we are in Christ. It is a condition that believers are in. ( walking means a sphere of where we are inhabiting and moving around in )
2 different categories of people..believer = light unbeliever = darkness
We can see the different conditions in the verse below of being in Christ ( light ) or as an unbeliever.
The believer is called righteousness.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye ( believer ) not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness ( Believer ) with unrighteousness? ( unbeliever ) and what communion hath light ( believer ) with darkness? ( unbeliever )
Ephesians 5:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light ...be who you are in the Lord with your conduct here on this earth.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;
Either we are a Christian which means we are in the light or we are an unbeliever which means we are not in light but in darkness.
All Christians still sin even though we are in the light...so it's important to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus as we learn to walk by the Spirit within us.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hathlight with darkness?
Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hathlight with darkness?
Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....
Here is one more from the OT - Isaiah 54: 17 of the Lord telling what the believer would have because of what Christ did in Isaiah 53.
Isaiah 54:17
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me," declares the LORD.
Folks we have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ!
Ephesians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,
Isaiah 54:17
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me," declares the LORD.
Folks we have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ!
Ephesians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,
Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is the true Christian life being lived out.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness manifests in a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now!
This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we mightbecome the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells.. This is what we should be preaching so that people will grow up in the Lord by His grace and life in us.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is the true Christian life being lived out.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness manifests in a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now!
This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we mightbecome the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells.. This is what we should be preaching so that people will grow up in the Lord by His grace and life in us.
Just adding a few more
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Those are great scriptures as they are descriptive of the unbeliever ( those called unrighteousness ) and the believer who is called righteousness.
Combine these scriptures to get a fuller picture. When you take 1John 3 "in context" we start to see the differences between the believer in Christ and the non believer.
The believer cannot sin in his new creation in Christ. This is a stumbling block to us that don't understand what happened to us when we were made a new creation in Christ.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
From the above 2 scriptures it is impossible for the inner man in Christ to sin..not once..let a lot a million times. Until we understand what happened to us in Christ when we were made a new creation in Him - this is goi9ng to be a stumbling block to us.
That's why we are encouraged by Paul while we are on this earth to do this:
Romans 8:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] IfChrist is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Combine these scriptures to get a fuller picture. When you take 1John 3 "in context" we start to see the differences between the believer in Christ and the non believer.
The believer cannot sin in his new creation in Christ. This is a stumbling block to us that don't understand what happened to us when we were made a new creation in Christ.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
From the above 2 scriptures it is impossible for the inner man in Christ to sin..not once..let a lot a million times. Until we understand what happened to us in Christ when we were made a new creation in Him - this is goi9ng to be a stumbling block to us.
That's why we are encouraged by Paul while we are on this earth to do this:
Romans 8:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] IfChrist is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Amen...I agree and the antidote for that is to preach the gospel of the grace of Christ because in it is the power for salvation. In "it" the righteousness of God is revealed.
And then this scripture comes to mind.
Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
We can only grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ.
This is my testimony of the fruit of what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life and in understanding that we are the righteousness of God in Christ because of what He did - not what we did or do:
If you consider this bad fruit..well..so be it...I will let I lie as it stands...
I have a great passion for Christ!..here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.
I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."
This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. ( they were initially to me as well )
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!
I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.
I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )
I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!
It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..
it will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"
It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.
If you consider this bad fruit..well..so be it...I will let I lie as it stands...
I have a great passion for Christ!..here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.
I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."
This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. ( they were initially to me as well )
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!
I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.
I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )
I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!
It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..
it will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"
It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.
We could add in some of the insane things Martin Luther wrote, which is where a lot of this nonsense comes from. Check this out.
- By so much more are the works of man mortal sins when they are done without fear and in unadulterated, evil self-security. (by fear and in unadulterated, evil self-security he meant "the judgment of condemnation is feared in every work")
[*]Free will, after the fall, exists in name only, and as long as it does what it is able to do, it commits a mortal sin.
[*]Free will, after the fall, has power to do good only in a passive capacity, but it can always do evil in an active capacity.