81% of Christians think Christianity is following rules in the bible

RobbyEarl · May 15, 2016

To the op 99% don't know what the rules are if there are rules, I don't think that faith falls under rules, But most will not understand, So keep your rules. better to keep rules i guess than to burn in hell, But then again we danced for you and sang songs and He said depart from you workers of iniquity for I never knew you.

Keeping rules is self righteousness whether you know it or not. It's What I can do and not what God did for you. The just shall live by faith, Faith in what?

PilgrimPassingThru · May 15, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

I was just collecting (as you were talking about the same) and ran across the same and thought, "now where have I seen this before"? I am just razzing you, as its how you post

PilgrimPassingThru · May 15, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Heres some more

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are
to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

1 Peter 2:21 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree,
that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This also

1John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Amen...great scriptures....I love it when you post scriptures as they inspire me to preach Christ and His wondrous salvation and life that He has given us by grace through faith in what He has already done for us.....thanks!

Knowing who you are in Christ because of His finished work that made us "alive" unto God now will change our outward behavior...."awake to righteousness and sin not..".....this is a call to see who you are in Christ and in knowing that....His life in you changes our behavior..

Knowing that we are dead to sin and "alive" to God is what is needed for real transformation in a Christian's life.

When we see that we are the righteousness of God in Christ... - we become outwardly who we really are in our new creation in Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is already in us in Christ..in our inner man..the new creation.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our inner man in Christ ) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior outwardly to reflect our true self in the Lord now. It's definitely a process!.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

The question remains..is it us doing it by our own self-effort?..or is it the life of Christ with His fruit bearing in and through our lives? Only God knows the heart of man.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 15, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

It's doing by our own self-effort in the spirit of Christ. What you are alluding to is the madness expressed in this theological thesis in Martin Luther's Heidelberg Disputation. This is the root of what you hear proclaimed around here that Christ does his works through us, i.e, passive sock-puppet righteousness.

"Free will, after the fall, has power to do good only in a passive capacity, but it can always do evil in an active capacity."

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

Obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules, but a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God, this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us.

FreeNChrist · May 15, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

It's doing by our own self-effort in the spirit of Christ. What you are alluding to is the madness expressed in this theological thesis in Martin Luther's Heidelberg Disputation. This is the root of what you hear proclaimed around here that Christ does his works through us, i.e, passive sock-puppet righteousness.

"Free will, after the fall, has power to do good only in a passive capacity, but it can always do evil in an active capacity."

Somebodies been using that Google thing again.

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

God supplies both the will and the enablement to do what He desires for us. Jesus has the preeminence in all things as He is the head and it is the head of the body that sends signals for the members to do things. - just like in our natural body. Col.1:18

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

PilgrimPassingThru · May 15, 2016

Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

Apparently on the internet everyone is a heretic....Martin Luther ..Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, C.S Lewis, Charles Finny, Charles Stanley, John McArthur, Joseph Prince, D. L. Moody,.

There are even websites saying that the apostle Paul was a heretic because he "conflicted" with what Jesus said. Everyone is a heretic to someone else if they are known in any capacity.

What people are really saying is " Their views on some scriptures conflict with what I believe so they are heretics. "...selah

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Amen...great scripture!..work out what is already in us in Christ as it is God that gives us BOTH "the will" and the "to do".

Be who you already are in your new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. That is a process which we can do without condemnation as we have none in Christ.

Isn't that exciting? Don't you just love the Lord for what He has already done for us in His finished work?

It is an interesting to study out in the N.T. the term "fear and trembling". It is not what it was in the O.T.

If we let scripture interpret scripture we see that in the 2 other places where "fear and trembling" was used it referred to the woman with the issue of blood and Jesus healed her. She experienced the goodness and love of Jesus and she had awe and reverence for the goodness done to het.

The other usage was Paul and he was referring to having no confidence in himself as he was coming tp preach the gospel to the Corinthians.

Fear and trembling = being in awe and reverence of the goodness of God to us and our complete reliance on Him for all things..especially in preaching the gospel.

It is never being "afraid" of God. It's knowing His love for us that takes away the bad kind of fear.

1 John 4:17-19 (NASB)

[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. ( remember the righteousness thing spoken about earlier in the thread? - it's everywhere you look! )

[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.

gzusfrk · May 15, 2016

Most dont know what the Word really is. James says to receive the implanted Word for it is able to save your soul. Then the Word grows, some a hundred fold, some sixty, some thirty, sadly some zero. The growth from the Word causes a work, not of your own, but from Him.

seed_time_harvest · May 15, 2016

Many scripture that are used are putting the cart before the horse.A person has got to be saved first,GODs workmanship created In CHRIST JESUS unto good works.

So then why would a person created In CHRIST JESUS want to do evil?

Grace doesn't teach a person to want to sin.

By the mercies of GOD,renew your mind.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 15, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

Some people don't listen

Some people love GOD, but love the world more than GOD.

Some people get deceived by doctrines of demons, and are led astray.

Some people want to be sock puppets and not do what it takes to do the will of GOD

Some people love their earthly life more than eternal life.

Some people are hypocrites

etc.

etc.

etc.

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

All the more reason to preach and teach the gospel of the grace of Christ! It's the grace of God that instructs us how to live in this world. Titus 2:11-12

Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Galatians 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? ( self-effort )

PaulMack · May 15, 2016

IF, HeRoseFromTheDead, Salvation was based on our not sinning, then yes we can lose our Salvation by living like the Devil.

But I thank God that people like you are NOT in charge of MY Salvation!!!!

PaulMack · May 15, 2016

I'm getting the impression that HeRoseFromTheDead is Catholic because he hates what Martin Luther taught. Only people i know of today who hate what Martin Luther taught is the Catholics.

Grace777x70 · May 15, 2016

PaulMack said:

This scripture goes along with what you are saying about it's your salvation because you are in Christ when you believed.

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

We can trust in all that our Lord did for us! We have a great salvation IN Him!

PaulMack · May 15, 2016

Listen to the Holy Spirit HeRoseFromTheDead, and STOP listening to what the World teaches.

If it were not for God using Martin Luther and John Calvin an others, we would all be slaves in the Catholic Church trying to work for our Salvation by our works!

Could it be you are in reality a closeted Catholic on here trying to make problems for those who refuse to follow what you say?

All i have heard from you is works based Christianity. You teach we have to do this or that our we will lose our Salvation if we do not do what you say.

Until you receive the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you will continue to walk in blindness and will never understand exactly what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures.

Vdp · May 15, 2016

You are wasting your time Paul, HeRoseFromTheDead listens to no one but himself.

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