Daniels 70 weeks

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VCO

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lol anyone can 'prove' a theory by citing books which agree with them. But where are the SCHOLARLY books. Noticeably absent!!!
Not even including his numerous commentaries, here are the scholarly books authored by Dr. John MacArthur, Jr.

The Inerrant Word

The Shepherd as Leader

Parables Workbook

The Glory of Heaven

The MacArthur Study Bible

Saved without a Doubt

Why Believe the Bible?


The Joy of a Word Filled Family

Nothing But the Truth: Upholding the Gospel in a Doubting Age

Strength for Today

Security in the Spirit

The Vanishing Conscience

The Keys to the Kingdom

How to Meet the Enemy: Arming Yourself for Spiritual Warfare

The Sins of the Saints

So What's Wrong With Gambling?

The Upper Room: Jesus' Parting Promises for Troubled Hearts

Spiritual Bootcamp

Building The Family of God

The Family: God's Pattern For Living

The Gospel According to Jesus: What Is Authentic Faith?


That is the majority of them NOT COUNTING HIS COMMENTARIES or Seminar Notes which were also published.
 
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Here is a question for you Scholars---------
Daniel 8 mentions 2300 days and Daniel 12 mentions 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days.
How do you fit those days into your end time understanding?
Daniel 8:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] He said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be restored.”

WHENEVER a Hebrew, Jew, OR GOD, puts "evenings and mornings" in conjunction with a reference to days, he is always making ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that the reader understands that he is talking about a LITERAL 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME for each day. The Jewish DAY begins in the Evening at sunset, and continues until Sunset the following Evening.

Hence:

Genesis 1:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

Is talking about a literal 24 hour period.

WHILE:

1 Corinthians 4:3 (YLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and to me it is for a very little thing that by you I may be judged, or by man's day, but not even myself do I judge,

Psalm 20:1 (RSV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The LORD answer you in the day of trouble! The name of the God of Jacob protect you!

Are not talking about a literal 24 hour day.

HOWEVER, THE ABSENCE OF THE EXPRESSION "THE EVENING AND THE MORNING", DOES NOT MEAN HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT LITERAL DAYS. Yes I believe the 1290, the 1260, and the 1335 days are also literal 24 hour days. GOD IS NOT sorta accurate when HE makes a prophecy, HE is TOTALLY ACCURATE when HE makes a prophecy. THAT IS WHY the "Calling out of the Bride of Christ, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb", can only take place before prior to the 1290 days beginning. Every day after that is COUNTED. Day one of the 1290 is the Day Antichrist makes the Seven Year Covenant (Peace Treaty) with Israel. Day 1335 us DAY 1 in the Kingdom. Since we are promised "no one knows the day or the hour" of our calling out. IT HAS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE FIRST DAY OF THE 1290 DAY PROPHECY.

12:11 the daily sacrifice. This reference is to the end of daily temple sacrifice, previously allowed under a covenant which the Antichrist formed with Israel, which he later causes to cease in the middle of the final seven years (9:27). Then favorable relations give way to persecution. Even his abomination that desecrates the temple (as 9:27; Matt. 24:1; Mark. 13:14; 2 Thess. 2:3, 4) is accompanied with persecution. one thousand two hundred and ninety days. From the intrusion of the abomination, there follow 1,290 days, including 1,260 which make up the last three and one-half years of the final seven years (see note on v. 7), then thirty days more, possibly to allow for the judgment of the living subsequent to Christ’s return (cf. Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46), before millennial kingdom blessings begin.

Biblical Resurrections

  1. The resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ (Matt. 28:1-7; Mark 16:1-7; Luke 24:1-8; John 20:1-10; Acts 2:24; 3:15; 4:32; 10:40; 17:3; Rom. 1:4; 4:25; 10:9; 1 Cor. 15:4; Eph. 1:20; 1 Thess. 4:14; 1 Pet. 3:18)
  2. The resurrection of a few saints at the time of the resurrection of Christ (Matt. 27:50-53)
  3. The resurrection at the Rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-58; 1 Thess. 4:14-17)
  4. The resurrection of two witnesses in Jerusalem (Rev. 11:3-13)
  5. The resurrection of Old Testament saints (Isa. 26:19-21; Ezek. 37:12-14; Dan. 12:1-3)
  6. The resurrection of Tribulation saints (Rev. 20:4-6)
  7. The resurrection of the unbelieving dead to stand at the Great White Throne judgment (Rev. 20:11-15).

12:12 Blessed. This is in the kingdom (2:35, 45; 7:13, 14, 27) that gives blessedness after the subjugation to Gentile empires in chapters 2; 7; 8. one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. Forty-five more days, even beyond the 1,290 days, allows for transition between Israel’s time of being shattered (v. 7) and God’s setting up of His kingdom (cf. 7:13, 14, 27).

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.
 
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No that's not what the Hebrew text says. It says he would be cut off after THE 62 week period (השבעים), which followed the 7-week period. It definitely doesn't say that he would be cut off at the end of 69 weeks (שבעים).
Wrong, the 70th week of Daniel to fulfill GOD's covenant with ISRAEL, does NOT follow consecutively to 69th week, the CHURCH-AGE (New Covenant) is in between. What so many fail to remember is that GOD's Covenant with ISRAEL, is an EVERLASTING COVENANT, therefore the 70th Week to Fulfill God's Covenant with ISRAEL, can ONLY be the very last Seven Years of Man ruling over this earth.

1 Chronicles 16:15-17 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He also confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,To Israel as an everlasting covenant,


GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL, the 70th week of Daniel is YET TO BEGIN.


Daniel 9:24-27 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the PriBnce there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing,

{THE CHURCH-AGE BEGAN AT THAT MOVEMENT, and ONLY AFTER THE CHURCH-AGE ENDS WITH THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB; CAN THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL BEGIN. HENCE THE FIRST COVENANT SHALL END LAST, AND THE LAST COVENANT SHALL END FIRST.}

and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

An average generation has for the most part died off after 70 - 80 years. So let's use 75 for the biblical definition of a generation. So how do you square the fact that GOD said His covenant with ISRAEL would last a 1000 Generations when 70 weeks of years, is ONLY 490 years? HOW can your theory that the 70th week is consecutive to the 69th week of years ever even come close to being equal a 1000 generations? Do the math, 70 weeks of years running consecutively is ONLY 6.5 generations. THERE IS A HUGE GAP IN TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE 69TH WEEK ENDED AND WHEN THE 70TH WEEK BEGINS. Now how do you square the fact, that GOD says that covenant is an EVERLASTING COVENANT, and you think it ended 7 years after Messiah was cut off? WE have no problem with making that all square with what the Bible actually says; because we also understand that the 144,000 Jews sealed from harm in Revelation, were sealed to make sure GOD's Covenant with ISRAEL, continues on into the KINGDOM. Those 144,000 Jews will be repopulating ISRAEL, continuing GOD's Everlasting Covenant to GIVE THE LAND THE CANAAN as an everlasting inheritance to descendants of ISRAEL.
 
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miknik5

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Hello Dalconn,

It is edifying to see when someone has the same Spirit and the same word of prophecy. To add to that, from the time that the Anointed One was cut off (Christ crucified) God left off with that last seven and began to build his church. Once the church has been completed the Lord will appear and remove the dead and living in Christ taking them back to the Father's house according to his promise. At that time God will pick up where He left off fulfilling that last seven years with that ruler, the antichrist, establishing his seven year covenant, with the Lord returning shortly after the end of that seven years, some time after the 7th bowl has been poured out.



Regarding the above, I would say that, that is more directed to the great tribulation saints, for below will be the attitude of the inhabitants of the world towards this coming ruler:

"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against him?”

So, the inhabitants of the earth will be in awe of this coming ruler and will freely worship him. He is that eighth king, the beast who once was and now is not and who will come up out of the Abyss. The meaning behind the fatal wound that he receives is that it is not something that is survivable, but he does. And because of this, the inhabitants of the earth will be astonished and will be in awe of him. In addition, the false prophet, whom I believe will be one of the future pope's, will perform those miracles, signs and wonders which will authenticate his claim of being God. It is the great tribulation saints, those introduced in Rev.7, who will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. We see the result of their faith in Rev.20:4-6 when John writes that "I saw the souls of those who were beheaded."

Regarding the abomination, I have always believed that the "Image" that the false prophet has the inhabitants of the earth set up as described in Rev.13:14-15 is the abomination spoken of in Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15.
Can the abomination be the reinstating of animal sacrifices in the earthly temple?
Can the abomination be the very thing that men will even rebuild an earthly temple given that (as in the time of Ezra and according to the WORD of TRUTH, men were supposed to first be able to provide documentation validating that they were of a priestly line to begin with and before they could even have a part in building the temple...

Do you believe that GOD has preserved a clean jewish priestly family line because even that contradicts GOD'S WORD of TRUTH as stated in Haggai 2...that all nations are unclean...
 

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That's a very good summary, though just one small thing. Many would differ that Gog has anything to do with the mid-tribulation or Armageddon, this not what Ezekiel teaches. There is no scripture foundation for that statement about Gog. I'd have left out the comment on Gog for this being raw speculation, regardless whether anybody agrees with what some of us conclude from scripture, if for no other reason than the timing of Gog has such a range of disagreement that it should not be in a conversation on Daniel, when there is also no mention of Gog and Magog in Daniel, nor any that can be inferred.

There's too much terrible eschatology in the pop culture from people selling sensational books, this the source of speculative error people are merely parroting, without thorough investigation of contradictory truths, details, in scripture. If the gift horse is from the likes of Bill Salus or Johnathan Cahn, you'd be best advised to check the teeth.
The battle of Armegeddon happens after the 1000 year reign...
See revelation 20
 

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Here is a question for you Scholars---------
Daniel 8 mentions 2300 days and Daniel 12 mentions 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days.
How do you fit those days into your end time understanding?
1000 year reign and with it the last of the harvest of the earth.
 

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Does everyone agree that GOD'S WORD is living and active and GOD by HIS WORD provided in shadows prophecy of HIS WORD to men?

Does anyone believe that some of the Prophecies have not yet been fulfilled?


Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

And does everyone agree that another earthly temple will be rebuilt?

 

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I want to ask if anyone understands what this "man in linen" is saying to Daniel when HE says HE was detained "21 days" and no one helped HIM but Michael, the prince of your (referring to Daniel) people.
 

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I also want to remind you of the "woman in the basket" who is being taken away until a designated time...
Do you also understand what these three unclean spirits looking like frogs that come out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet are and where they are going and why they are going?

See Zechariah 5 and Revelation 16

Same purpose.
 

miknik5

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What does it mean to seal up the vision and prophecy?
Why then is it written that knowledge will increase...

This prophecy Daniel 9, though a parallel to the shadows of other temples being destroyed pertains to the last earthly temple that will be rebuilt which has not yet been rebuilt...
 

miknik5

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CHRIST is not "cut off" and never was...
HE will be "cut off" when what is prophecied in 2Thesselonians 2 actually happens...
That is when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way.
While HE is in the world and present in HIS BELIEVERS, a time is coming when the HS will be detained 21 days and that is when evil will run rampant and the man of lawlessness will be able to do as he pleases
 

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For it is the HS who convicts the world of sin, and it is the HS in believers who know the TRUTH(S) of GOD and for the earthly temple to be rebuilt is one of the very abominations which will cause the death of many believers because they will be appalled that men who claim to know GOD and HIS WORD are even putting a hand to building a temple that they should not even be building...

But it will be built...and men, violent men of the covenant who claim to know GOD???? will make manifest that they did not know GOD at all.
 

miknik5

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anyone of any intelligence knows that no.3 is totally INACCURATE,
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
THE TEMPLE REBUILT:
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

All the abominable activities in the earthly temple will happen after the Messiah is cut off but not for HIMSELF...but for HIS PEOPLE...that is, HIS CHURCH...then all this will happen and those who do not know GOD, the violent men of the covenant will seal their own fate by what they do that is clearly against the SPIRIT OF GOD/SPIRIT OF TRUTH..
While many will be appalled by the atrocities which will happen during this time and those are the ones whom GOD will send out HIS ANGELS to put a mark on their foreheads and they are preserved.
 

miknik5

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Why do you guys fight about this?
What will be will be.

You know the end of those who wait 1335 days and do not go out.
Blessed are those who wait for HIM...who keep their garments with them and do not go out.

It's just that some do not know of WHOSE SPIRIT they truly claim they are of.
And that too will be made manifest in the last days...
 

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Looking for others input on Daniels prophecy shown below

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After three and a half years, Gog and her allies will invade Palestine (see Ezek 38-39), and God will judge them. Antichrist will invade the land, break his covenant, and set himself up as world dictator. He will stop all worship at the Jewish temple (see 2 Thess 2) and force the world to worship him and his image. This is the abomination of desolation (see Matt 24:15; John 5:43; Rev 13:1). How will this period end? Jesus Christ will return to earth, meet the rebel armies at Armageddon, and defeat them (Rev 19:11-21).
Dan.11 shows us more of what the "abomination of desolation" really is. It's about the setting up of an idol in Jerusalem in false worship. Antiochus IV in 170 B.C. was the blueprint for that, as his army took Jerusalem, and he sacrificed swine inside the temple and then setup an idol image to Zeus and demanded all bow to it.

Dan.11 also reveals more about the pact or "league" the Antichrist will make with a "small people" (small inner group of leaders in Jerusalem). They will forsake the holy covenant (re-established old covenant with sacrifices again), end sacrifices and the oblation, and then place the abomination that makes the temple spiritually desolate.

Since the pattern for the end (tribulation) is linked to Daniel, his day with the king of Babylon is also used as a blueprint for the end time events with the Antichrist. Nebuchadnezzar had a golden image of himself made and decreed all to bow in worship to it at the sound of the psalter. That's the pattern in Rev.13 with the "image of the beast" and all being commanded to bow to it in the end days. That's what the "abomination of desolation" is about for the end. See also Ezekiel 8 & 9 which also serve as patterns for these events in the last days.

The Ezekiel 39 chapter is about the day of The Lord timing, which is the last day of this present world when Jesus returns to burn the elements of man's works off this earth, and punish the wicked. It cannot occur in the middle of the 7 years timing, but only at the very end of the whole period. Antichrist shows up in the middle of the 7 years, ends the sacrifice and oblation and sets up idol worship instead, and that will begin the 3.5 years time of "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught.
 

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The battle of Armegeddon happens after the 1000 year reign...
See revelation 20
Hello miknik5,

The battle of Armageddon takes place in the exact chronological order as it appears in Revelation, which is after the 7th bowl judgment has been poured out, which completes God's wrath and which ends the seven years of Dan.9:27 and fulfills Dan.2:31-45 with the dismantling of all human governments. After Christ returns, the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20), those kings, their generals and armies are killed by the double-edged sword (Rev.19:21), which is symbolic for the word of God and then Satan is thrown into the Abyss and restricted their during the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev.20:1-3). At the end of the thousand years Satan is released from the Abyss (Rev.20:7) and he gathers the nations collectively called Gog and Magog who rebel against God and are destroyed by fire (Rev.20:8-9). Satan is then captured and thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown a thousand years earlier. After that is the resurrection of the unrighteous dead at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15), which is followed by the creation of the new atmosphere, new earth and new Jerusalem which takes place during the eternal state, which is what Rev.21 & 22 is describing.
 

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The battle of Armageddon occurs ON... the last Vial, as written in Revelation 16.
 
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Looking for others input on Daniels prophecy shown below


Seventy Weeks of Prophecy (Daniel 9:20-27)

Rome is called "the people of the prince that shall come." Who is this prince? Not "Messiah the Prince," because that refers to Christ. "The prince that shall come" is Antichrist. He will be the leader of the restored Roman Empire. So, the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was but an illustration of a future invasion and destruction to be led by Antichrist. This prince will make an agreement with the Jews to protect them from the other nations, and this agreement will be set for seven years. This final seven years is the completion of Daniel's 490-year period. Between the death of Christ and the signing of this covenant you have the entire Age of the Church, a "great parenthesis" in God's program. The 490 years are in operation only when Israel is in God's will as God's people. When Israel crucified Christ, she was set aside and the "prophetic clock" stopped ticking. But when the Antichrist signs his pact with Israel, then the last seven years of Daniel's "seventy weeks" will start being fulfilled. This seven-year period is known as the Tribulation, or the time of Jacob's trouble. It is described in Rev 6-19.


After three and a half years, Gog and her allies will invade Palestine (see Ezek 38-39), and God will judge them. Antichrist will invade the land, break his covenant, and set himself up as world dictator. He will stop all worship at the Jewish temple (see 2 Thess 2) and force the world to worship him and his image. This is the abomination of desolation (see Matt 24:15; John 5:43; Rev 13:1). How will this period end? Jesus Christ will return to earth, meet the rebel armies at Armageddon, and defeat them (Rev 19:11-21).
Right,in Daniel chapter 9,the prince to come,is the antichrist,who will confirm a covenant with Israel,and will cause peace in the Middle East,and Israel will have a rebuilt temple,and go back to animal sacrifices,with no interference from the Palestinians,which the man of sin will work for the first three,and one half years,as a great man of peace,and push the new age movement.

The 7 years period is the time that God brings Israel to the truth,fulfilling the 70 weeks,and causes all people that do not love God,to follow the beast kingdom.

In the middle of the week,the man of sin will step in to their temple,and claim to be God,and their Messiah,and make war against all those that hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord,and Savior.

The Jews that know the truth will work with the other Jews to get them to understand that Jesus is their Messiah,but they will mainly come to the truth by 2 witnesses that God sends to Israel.

The saints will be resurrected,and the wrath of God poured upon the world,leading up to the battle of Armageddon,where the world will attack Jerusalem,and Israel,in which they will them see Jesus,which He will save them from the world,and put them down,and the millennial reign will begin.
 

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I want to ask if anyone understands what this "man in linen" is saying to Daniel when HE says HE was detained "21 days" and no one helped HIM but Michael, the prince of your (referring to Daniel) people.
As soon as Daniel had begun to pray, the angel Gabriel was sent to him, but he was detained by the prince of Persia, which is not speaking about the human prince, but spiritually of that fall angel and the demonic beings with him. In other words, Gabriel was being held back by spiritual warfare. It wasn't until Michael came to help that he was able to get through with the message to Daniel.