Hi BibleGuy,
PeterJens wrote: "Interesting idea, about the sacrifices returning. But what purpose do they serve if they were the symbol pointing towards Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, which is now once for all."
My response: Yes...Jesus' sacrifice is once-for-all....but NOT a once-for-all replacement of the Levitical sacrifices which He comes to restore (Mal. 3:1-4) in the temple He comes to rebuild (Zec. 6).
He already restored it during the first century reformation. What time period did he restore it to makes a good bible study?
I say the period of the judges. This was before there was an outward representative(kings fathers etc.) and men walked by faith (the unseen eternal) in respect to the King who has no form.as one the Kings of kings and Lord of lords.
The fleshly ordinances without fail are applied to the “flesh” as that seen, the temporal.... not the spirit of the matter, the eternal not seen.
Remember Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God still speaks in figures or parables called walking by faith (the unseen) without them he speaks not to the multitude. This is every one that hears the word of God. Some mix faith in what they do hear (the new creatures in Christ) while natural man is not given the spiritual understanding. The key that unlocks the gates of hell is to walk by faith as the things of God and not by sight ( ceremonial laws) as the things of men.(Ultimately no man can serve two masters)
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen “are temporal”; but the things which are not seen “are eternal”.
In doing so the Spirit of Christ hid the spiritual meaning from those whose hope is they could be found with a righteousness of their own selves. As if they could keep the whole law without stumbling at any point as in never sinning.
Christians find themselves under the
“law of Liberty” (grace and mercy ) Amen? And not the law that points to death and destruction never to raise to new incorruptible spirit life forever more.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in
one point, he is
guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by
the law of liberty Jam 2:10
Poster wrote...So, what's the purpose?
Poster wrote...Well, sacrifices (in the past) pointed FORWARD to the need for Messiah's permanent sacrifice.
You wrote...And, sacrifices (in the future) can point BACK to the need for Messiah's permanent sacrifice.
The Old Testament sacrifices that were used as figures/parables up until the first century reformation where necessary as a show that became the true demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world .This was before he rested on the 7th .... the Sabbath rest all believers enter into by the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.
Ceremonial law in respect to the temporal as that seen do not equal as a sign what they point to as a shadow the unseen. Sings point they do not become what they are pointing to.
It was because of that that misunderstanding of ceremonial laws that first century reformation came.
No man, to include your own self can keep the whole law of God perfectly without stumbling in the least And the wage of the least is still (eternal separation from God never to rise to new spirit life forever more )
Poster wrote...Remember, Paul PARTICIPATED (Ac. 21) in a Torah-vow which required sacrificial activity. So even PAUL participated in sacrificial activity as appropriate. We should imitate Paul (1 Cor. 11:1; Php. 4:9) and likewise participate, as appropriate.
You wrote....Of course, we can't do that right now....but the prophets PROMISE we will do that in the future.
I think like the other poster mentioned because the one time demonstration is over ; “We should imitate Paul (1 Cor. 11:1; Php. 4:9) and likewise participate, as appropriate.”
When you say the future? Is it in regard to the eternal land, the new heavens and earth not seen, the heavenly Jerusalem or called Zion seeing it’s the end of the matter. Or are you speaking of the temporal as that seen the earthly Jerusalem that will go up in smoke when the incorruptible comes into view?
Poster wrote...Furthermore, many priests became believers (Ac. 6:7). There again! PRIESTS were BELIEVERS! It's GOOD to be a Levitical priest who obeys sacrificial Torah just as YHVH (and the Messiah) require.
You wrote...And you are right, there is also a symbolic element to priesthood (1 Pe. 2:5), but this is not a replacement of Levitical sacrifices, but merely a spiritual analogy.
It’s the reformed priesthood the reformation has come. All believers are considered priest typified by the Leviticus priesthood as they hold out the gospel of peace, as ambassadors for Christ. Are you saying Christians are not considered kingdom of priest after the order of Melchizedek.
THE POINT: Sacrifices will (and should) return in the future, just as the Prophets have prophesied.
Everyone needs to incorporate this fact into their perspective.
blessings...
That fact is there is no need to believe ceremonial laws can take away even
one sin in respect to "eternal" separation from God ,never to come to new spirit life again .Again those kind of laws never took away in one sin as a whole life without sin.
I think its the reason he gave us the book of Hebrews to show those who are trusting in shadows hoping they could provide the spiritual substance to forgive the eternal wage of sin.
Which was a figure
(parable) for t
he time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them “until”
the time of reformation.But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: Heb 9:13
Strongs lexiicon 3850
parabole {par-ab-ol-ay'}
from 3846; TDNT - 5:744,773; n f
AV -
parable 46, figure 2, comparison 1, proverb 1; 50
1) a placing of one thing by the side of another, juxtaposition, as of ships in battle 2) metaph. 2a) a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude 2b) an example by which a doctrine or precept is illustrated 2c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to the laws and usages of human life, by which either the duties of men or the things of God, particularly the nature and history of God's kingdom are figuratively portrayed 2d) a parable: an earthly story with a heavenly meaning 3) a pithy and instructive saying, involving some likeness or comparison and having preceptive or admonitory force 3a) an aphorism, a maxim 4) a proverb 5) an act by which one exposes himself or his possessions to danger, a venture, a risk