He did have a genealogy just as Jesus did for just like every other high priest, he was taken OUT OF MAN 5:1. What we are told is that his genealogy was not from Levi. It was the priesthood of Melchizedek that was not received from human genealogy. It is the priesthood that is being discussed, not Melchizedek himself.
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According to the flesh, Jesus had a geneology because HE was born of a woman
As to the SPIRITUAL geneaology, it was because those mentioned were in the "Likeness of their father"...but CHRIST came forth from GOD, and is HOLY according to THE SPIRIT of HOLINESS< which was given HIM without measure.
Who are Melchizadek's parents?
And who, by the way is Adam's father and mother?
If we want to do RIGHT, we should remember Adam was the first man...CHRIST the LAST and SPIRIT
For flesh came first and after that what is SPIRITUAL...
And adam's father and mother was GOD.
Perhaps this will help. The type/anti-type always have a reflexive relationship. That which is the anti-type always reflects that which preceded it as shadow in the world of man. For example, the OT sacrifices were type and Jesus was the anti-type of those sacrifices. The nature of old testament typology is that whatever stands as the type is never the reality of the thing it represents. The type is always patterned after the unseen reality but is never the reality itself. The type is always based on something that is greater than itself. So, all revealed types always reflect back to the unseen reality as the original. Moses was the type of Christ but, he was not the Christ. In the same way, Melchizedek is the type of high priest that represents the priesthood of Jesus just ans Aaron was a representation of Jesus as the high priest but, Melchizedek himself was not Jesus any more than his priesthood was the priesthood of Jesus. Jesus, as the pattern for the type precedes them both as the unseen reality in eternity. This is seen in the reversal of the role by the Hebrew writer who first says in verse three that as a high priest, Melchizedek was “made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.” He then says in verse fifteen that Jesus would “arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek.”
Melchizedek was a man just as Jesus was a man. He was without father and mother in the same way Jesus was without father and mother. He was without beginning of days or end of life in the same way Jesus was without beginning of days or end of life. Yet, both men had an earthly genealogy and both men were born into this world and died. Whatever these terms define for the one they also define for the other. Since Jesus had a natural mother and a natural birth and a natural death then what changes must be our understanding of how scripture uses these terms in connection with the priesthood.
Well, I guess we can go back to this...
So why are we concentrating on Melchizadek who can not save and was simply a prefigure of THE ONE whom we should look to who does save.
And indeed that is THE WORK and WILL of GOD as spoken in John 6 that all who look to THE SON and believe in HIM have ETERNAL LIFE and HE will raise us up on the last day.
Not Melchizadek...
So why are we concentrating on Melchizadek who can not save and was simply a prefigure of THE ONE whom we should look to who does save.
And indeed that is THE WORK and WILL of GOD as spoken in John 6 that all who look to THE SON and believe in HIM have ETERNAL LIFE and HE will raise us up on the last day.
Not Melchizadek...
Let me try this again. The sayings of the living (risen LORD) Jesus
if anyone interprets these sayings he will certainly not taste death.
Making man's efforts the driving force in determining his "salvation?"
Ye seek scripture thinking that by it you have life. Yet it is scripture which speaks of me yet you refuse to come to me to have life (paraphrased) still applies and applies to ALL men with no exceptions
if anyone interprets these sayings he will certainly not taste death.
Making man's efforts the driving force in determining his "salvation?"
Ye seek scripture thinking that by it you have life. Yet it is scripture which speaks of me yet you refuse to come to me to have life (paraphrased) still applies and applies to ALL men with no exceptions
J
sorry it just does not add up to me. if this is how you see it, ok, im not in the biz of preaching "your wrong" because its different than i believe. we have enough pharisees today.
i dont think this book is saying salvation can only be found within these sayings. i think the 2nd saying is the "seek and you will find" teaching.so why bother telling us to seek when everything we need is right here in the book. make sense?
i dont think this book is saying salvation can only be found within these sayings. i think the 2nd saying is the "seek and you will find" teaching.so why bother telling us to seek when everything we need is right here in the book. make sense?
Abram said in lieu of the vision (theophany) as to receiving the blessing from the hand of the Lord ,speaking with the king of Sodom. Abram said: I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth.
Man has a beginning of days and end of life.
Man is with mother and father.
Abraham bowed down in worship and referred to Him as Jehovah twice according to that same form He appeared to Abraham by..
Who was Melchidek’s mother and father?
When was he born.
Why not a Theophany?
Why the need for him to be a man?
Because Hebrews 5:1 says that every high priest is taken out of man. Melchizedek was a man just as Jesus was a man. He was without father and mother in the same way Jesus was without father and mother. He was without beginning of days or end of life in the same way Jesus was without beginning of days or end of life. Yet, both men had an earthly genealogy and both men were born into this world and died. Whatever these terms define for the one they also define for the other. Since Jesus had a natural mother and a natural birth and a natural death then what changes must be our understanding of how scripture uses these terms in connection with the priesthood. Jesus must fulfill the type.
I think you need to move on to Hebrews 8 and confirm the "position" of HIGH PRIEST FOREVER was filled...FOREVER...(that there is no longer any priesthood or earthly high priest that we are waiting for)...that POSITION was filled and there are NO VACANCIES...because if CHRISThad been just another priest serving in an earthly temple doing the works of an earthly high priest, ministering for the sins of the people, HE would have to continually offer up sacrifices over and over...but CHRIST, by HIS SACRIFICE ONCE and FALL entered into the HOLY OF HOLIES through the TRUE VEIL...HIS BODY...and those who through faith in HIS BLOOD, are covered over by HIS BLOOD and can also enter into the Presence of GOD because of THAT COVERING...
Even Moses had to duplicate the earthly temple which was simply a shadow and picture of the TRUE HEAVENLY ONE...
I think you need to read Hebrews 5 through 8 in context to understand that this letter to the Hebrews is even in service to those Jews who will be (in the last days) wondering about the earthly sacrifices being reinstated in an earthly temple...and I pray that they may be reminded of Haggai 2 and understand that there are none clean before GOD...I pray that they will remember GOD'S WORD and understand that if all are declared unclean, than who can offer up a sacrifice in the sight of GOD (when that earthly temple is rebuilt)?
NONE...for if all are declared unclean, that means that any earthly presider who dares to offer up the sacrifice (even if that sacrifice is "perfect") he, by being declared unclean renders the sacrifice (because of his own unclean hands) unacceptable...
And I pray that they may be given the understanding that CHRIST JESUS as HIGH PRIEST FOREVER, entered into the HOLY OF HOLIES by HIS HOLY SACRIFICE, (the TRUE VEIL, which is HIS BODY) in the sight of GOD...and because HE is HOLY AND SET APART to GOD for THIS VERY prophecied WORK, (for even GOD, through Abraham, reenacted this "sacrifice of a promised son whom he loved), HE alone offered up the ONE AND ONLY HOLY AND ACCEPTABLE OFFERING (in the sight of GOD) and REMAINING FOREVER the HOLY PRESIDER over THAT OFFERING...
Even Moses had to duplicate the earthly temple which was simply a shadow and picture of the TRUE HEAVENLY ONE...
I think you need to read Hebrews 5 through 8 in context to understand that this letter to the Hebrews is even in service to those Jews who will be (in the last days) wondering about the earthly sacrifices being reinstated in an earthly temple...and I pray that they may be reminded of Haggai 2 and understand that there are none clean before GOD...I pray that they will remember GOD'S WORD and understand that if all are declared unclean, than who can offer up a sacrifice in the sight of GOD (when that earthly temple is rebuilt)?
NONE...for if all are declared unclean, that means that any earthly presider who dares to offer up the sacrifice (even if that sacrifice is "perfect") he, by being declared unclean renders the sacrifice (because of his own unclean hands) unacceptable...
And I pray that they may be given the understanding that CHRIST JESUS as HIGH PRIEST FOREVER, entered into the HOLY OF HOLIES by HIS HOLY SACRIFICE, (the TRUE VEIL, which is HIS BODY) in the sight of GOD...and because HE is HOLY AND SET APART to GOD for THIS VERY prophecied WORK, (for even GOD, through Abraham, reenacted this "sacrifice of a promised son whom he loved), HE alone offered up the ONE AND ONLY HOLY AND ACCEPTABLE OFFERING (in the sight of GOD) and REMAINING FOREVER the HOLY PRESIDER over THAT OFFERING...
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OH sir...don't worry about me.
You don't have to "get me to do anything"...
Remember?
No one will need to tell another "know THE LORD" for from the least to the greatest HE will sprinkle them with clean water and remember their sins no more...and they shall all be taught by GOD?
I have the BEST TEACHER.
I really do not need for you to teach me anything...
You don't have to "get me to do anything"...
Remember?
No one will need to tell another "know THE LORD" for from the least to the greatest HE will sprinkle them with clean water and remember their sins no more...and they shall all be taught by GOD?
I have the BEST TEACHER.
I really do not need for you to teach me anything...